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Title: 1965 / 1966 V8 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: 65Autolite on September 11, 2016, 11:27:42 PM
Moving to spreadsheet
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 V8 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on September 12, 2016, 12:47:22 AM
There were two style radiators used in 1965 / 1966 Mustang production.


We'll we all have to start somewhere and so you'll have at least one response to your post  ;)

Let me start with - Which one of the two styles does the factory installed "Desert cooler" fall into?
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 V8 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: MattDoscher on September 12, 2016, 02:35:14 PM
What about the 6cyl folks?  I know this topic was started initially for the V-8 crowd.  Is there any info on 6cyl rads?

Matt
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 V8 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: Josep on September 12, 2016, 03:32:36 PM
What about the 6cyl folks?  I know this topic was started initially for the V-8 crowd.  Is there any info on 6cyl rads?

Matt

Well, I'm afraid I started a thread regarding tags on rads, and my car is a 6Cyl..!
So Autolite started another thread..

Josep
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 V8 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: jstefanick on September 12, 2016, 03:34:42 PM
Autolite-

I can see your passion in wanting to get the details right- I think that is why we are all here, and I applaud you for trying to get an accurate baseline.

While I am not an expert at all myself, I believe I am well read and have access to most of the same internet sources most have for info, for better or worse.

For your initial post in this thread, it is very detailed to the point that I am curious of the source of your info? I cannot say I have any doubt, as I cannot add anymore beyond the in depth searches I do on the Internet.

Do you have some inside info, or perhaps know someone that has this store of information that we are all missing?

Good job trying to clarify what these tags mean and the effort is appreciated.
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: 1970shelbyguy on September 12, 2016, 05:34:41 PM
thought i'd ask about the radiator shroud.  when did they come factory installed. i was told at a show sunday that the shroud was an option-  owner's  car was an early production 65 C code fastback - no a/c.   thanks   hey jeff saw your video hanging out in the cougar wrecking yard  describing date codes -  wow!  great stuff
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: carlite65 on September 12, 2016, 05:44:42 PM
in 65-66 only k-codes & cars with a/c had a shroud from the factory.
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: 1970shelbyguy on September 12, 2016, 06:23:34 PM
 well  very good! - thanks for the verification-
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 13, 2016, 07:05:51 PM
Sources added above.
Good job on the radiator information.
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on September 13, 2016, 08:13:07 PM
Sources added above.

Thanks

Looked through my collection of pictures and can only offer the following to add to your research. Most I could not read the stamps and many (T code cars) had the no strap style of radiators.


C4ZE-D2 -  (12-64) Automatic only
C6ZE-D2 - (5-66) Automatic only


Thought you might be interested in the following

C4ZE-B2  (6-64)  Very very early -Possible first couple of days of production - F code - Automatic, non- AC

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-130916194442-621373.jpeg)

Hope this helps in some way
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: larryharvey on September 17, 2016, 09:55:07 PM
Autolite,

Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on September 17, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
Autolite,

Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks

Looks like a long shot for a Deaborn or NJ  April built car just looking at the date alone. SHould be able to confirm the typical date spread from other original examples but think almost a year before is a long time
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: larryharvey on September 17, 2016, 10:33:48 PM
Thanks Jeff,

That's what I was thinking also. I may just get it re-cored anyway. I have just about given up on finding the correct date coded radiator.

Thanks again

Larry
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: sgl66 on September 18, 2016, 12:43:49 AM
Autolite,

Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks
Does your G1 have 12 fins per inch? I found this chart which I believe explains the difference between G1 and Y1 radiators.

Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: larryharvey on September 18, 2016, 12:55:55 PM
AUTOLITE,

I will check it out tomorrow and post.

Thanks
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on September 19, 2016, 05:26:11 PM
Does your G1 have 12 fins per inch? I found this chart which I believe explains the difference between G1 and Y1 radiators.

What year is that chart from? Noticed the 390 Fairlane and had to ask
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: sgl66 on September 19, 2016, 05:54:47 PM
What year is that chart from? Noticed the 390 Fairlane and had to ask
Found it here, 66 Shop Manual: https://www.scribd.com/user/3802918/api-3802918

Section 11 cooling system: https://www.scribd.com/document/7015750/Group-11-Cooling-System

I have a beat up 66 hard copy of a manual that appears to identical but it doesn't have that radiator chart but instead has every fan belt, radiator cap and thermostat application.


Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on September 19, 2016, 05:58:50 PM
Found it here, 66 Shop Manual: .............
Section 11 cooling system:..........

I have a beat up 66 hard copy of a manual that appears to identical but it doesn't have that radiator chart but instead has every fan belt, radiator cap and thermostat application.

Thanks
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: larryharvey on September 20, 2016, 01:20:20 PM
Yes it does have 12 fins per inch.

Sorry for the delayed response.

Larry
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: ChrisV289 on October 03, 2016, 09:05:24 PM
Saw this one over the weekend if anyone is keeping track
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: 1966KGT on January 14, 2017, 05:00:15 PM
So I'm TOTALLY confused now, what am I looking for to be correct for my 11-08-65 SAN JOSE built Hipo, manual trans. WM O on tank with soldered tag? sept , oct or nov date?
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: 1966KGT on January 16, 2017, 08:13:51 AM
thanks JD
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on January 16, 2017, 02:43:41 PM
Looking at other K codes built around the same time as your I would choose the Oct dated if you had a choice ;)
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: 1966KGT on January 16, 2017, 03:11:48 PM
Thank you
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: ChrisV289 on February 24, 2017, 10:27:23 PM
My friend who has a shop found a C4ZE S2 radiator in his shop. Had a 5-64 date code and no holes for transmission cooling lines
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: 1966KGT on February 24, 2017, 10:54:17 PM
i really appreciate the response but being I, am a ways from having the mustang back running I actually hope I can get an oct/65 g2, thank you.
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on March 12, 2017, 06:26:46 PM
Here is my big question on 6-cylinder radiators...

Has anyone verified a factory DEP or NON W-MO (Western Modine) radiator in a 1964-1/2 - 1965 production 6-Cylinder?

Not so much verified since I'm looking at pictures and can't go take another look. But I do have a group of unrestored 65 Dearborn 6 cylinders all with the same top tank, Flat space with nothing in it and the square (sort of) corner straps
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: ilhusker on April 30, 2017, 11:35:02 PM
Here is some 6 cyl., 64-1/2 info.  Dad picked this up on April 18,1964 in Bristow, OK
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: ilhusker on May 01, 2017, 12:24:29 AM
I will add that the car was in a front accident in 1967 or so, but I don't believe the radiator was damaged.  I think that's the original...as best as I can tell.
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: ilhusker on May 01, 2017, 01:05:48 AM
A few more clarifications in photos.  No A/C
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: macdude67 on May 03, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Autolite,

Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks

Strange I have a radiator also Stamped 4FG
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: Texas Swede on May 03, 2017, 06:54:36 PM
I have always thought, W-MO stood for Whittier-Modine and not Western-Modine.
Never get too old to learn something new. Great information, thanks.
Texas Swede
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: Skyway65 on May 09, 2017, 10:33:39 PM
Just to add another example to the mix, here are the numbers from a factory original Dearborn, January '65, 6 cyl/auto, no air, radiator.
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: Skyway65 on May 10, 2017, 06:55:26 AM
Is "DEP" stamped on the strap/rail? Normally its before the "C4ZE" and I don't see it visible in those photos.

I'll double check that for you.
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: CharlesTurner on May 10, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
Is "DEP" stamped on the strap/rail? Normally its before the "C4ZE" and I don't see it visible in those photos.

Agree, something fishy with that one.
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 03, 2017, 07:07:51 PM
G2 lid dated 7-64 example.
That  7-64 example appears to be one where the "G" was added.
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on December 03, 2017, 07:20:45 PM
That  7-64 example appears to be one where the "G" was added.

Or one that was changed/relabeled from a G
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: rocket on January 25, 2018, 08:46:24 PM
Great info. I have a 64.5 K Code, Convertible, 76A S 89 21G 13 9 5
Assembly Date of my car is July 21, 1964

DEP C4ZE 8005 –G14DD
Tag attached to front – 4DC 14 = 64, April, 3rd week.

Didn't know my radiator (HIPO) was different from all the other V8s.

G application code = 1965 / 1966 V8 289 Application Identification:
C4ZE-
G = manual transmission - Extra Cooling (C-code w/AC, A-code w/AC, K-code, GT350)

Thanks.

Is DEP an acronym for Dearborn Engine Plant or Detroit Engineering Products?
 
Thanks
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: rodster on January 26, 2018, 12:17:17 AM
Is this little 'loop' something added during the recore?

I have the same thing on my 65 M1 radiator.

Great info by the way! (http://imghst.co/85/hDaJAZBj&d.gif)
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: GT500KR on January 30, 2018, 03:30:28 AM
Those raised "loops" are used to clamp and tighten the straps while soldering during the rebuild, yes. But they are there from day one, as the original build used them also.
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: eliminator on May 22, 2018, 09:43:16 PM
Am new here, 76 and internet challenged but finally found this site and have a little info you may be able to use. Bought a 64 1/2 convert from the original owner (who passed away) a couple years back and just getting around to getting it running/driving. Radiator was replaced for some reason and car came with the original radiator in the replacement box. Nothing wrong with it - looks perfect but the numbers don't exactly compute with the radiator listings on this site. They are: DEPC4ZE 8005 A 1-4EA. It is listed on this site as being for a 260 M/T. This car is a one owner California unmodified original with the original window sticker - was used only as a daily driver. However it has the 289V8. A possible explanation: WIndow sticker states $2703.00 for a Mustang convertible V8 plus a few options like the 4 speed for $188.00 and at the bottom of the options it lists $65.70 for a 289 4V V8 engine. So evidently the radiator was used for both the 260 and 289. You may already know of this but if not it might be helpful in your listing of radiators. And I may be wrong about this assumption - would be the first time this year......Cheers.....Richard
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on May 22, 2018, 10:47:08 PM
Welcome Richard

You might post more information about the car your describing - when and where it was built as these factors are often very important in discussions.  Thanks for including the date when the radiator was made also ;) Helps in discussions like this

Since your going to be asked this  over and over you might consider  adding it to your signature (you'll be able to make that addition in your profile / button above between HELP and ADMIN)

Hope you find this site useful and helpful in your related endeavours
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: eliminator on May 23, 2018, 09:31:40 AM
OK - thanks - don't know what you mean about adding "it" to my "signature" (I still use cursive) but here is all the info on the car: 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible, color J Rangoon red, Trim 86 black, Date 26E may 26, 1964, DSO 24 Jacksonville, axle 1 3:00 :1, trans 5 - 4 speed manual, aluminum tag on intake manifold - 289 - 65 - 4E - 550C, power top, 4 speed trans, 650X13 tires, rocker panel mouldings, AM radio, padded visors, 289 V8 - that's it. Guy was a little frugal with options. Assembled in Dearborn Michigan, serial number 5FO8D 146830, sent to Hailey Ford in Winter Haven, Florida - bought there and driven back to California. Any other info wanted just let me know, as the car is untouched original and is a good reference model. Richard
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: 67gtasanjose on May 23, 2018, 11:09:44 AM
OK - thanks - don't know what you mean about adding "it" to my "signature" (I still use cursive)...

It is in an area under "PROFILE" header above the message board area (Home   Help   Search   PROFILE    My Messages   Calendar   ...)

You can add this information in and it will post EVERYTIME you ask or answer any questions.
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: GlennG on May 25, 2018, 07:20:14 PM
I have a question regarding this radiator.  After reading the posted  radiator data, my radiator appears to be too early for 1964 1/2....maybe it's not a Mustang radiator at all... I have had it for many years and my feeble brain thinks I pulled it off a Mustang many years ago.  But the stamped markings on the side mounting says C3DE BE1.  On the top of the radiator is stamped FoMoCo, and there is a soldered tag on the top side of the tank that reads 8MB 7.  Maybe from a Falcon?

So what's the verdict on my mysterious radiator? 
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: Bob Gaines on May 25, 2018, 07:45:41 PM
I have a question regarding this radiator.  After reading the posted  radiator data, my radiator appears to be too early for 1964 1/2....maybe it's not a Mustang radiator at all... I have had it for many years and my feeble brain thinks I pulled it off a Mustang many years ago.  But the stamped markings on the side mounting says C3DE BE1.  On the top of the radiator is stamped FoMoCo, and there is a soldered tag on the top side of the tank that reads 8MB 7.  Maybe from a Falcon?

So what's the verdict on my mysterious radiator?
Not a Mustang radiator. Falcon would be a good guess. The centered fill spout is the tip off . The 65/66 Mustang fill spout is off set to one side.
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: 66gtoldmansford on June 16, 2018, 09:57:15 PM
I have two 65/66 air conditioning v8 cars.  I am trying to find two original radiators.  I have several original radiators Y and X code. 

Are a/c radiators different?  Are they 3 core?  Can I have a Y code recorded to work with a/c?
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on June 17, 2018, 08:04:12 PM
Can I have a Y code recorded to work with a/c?

Of course you can by the "right" radiator shop. May look odd and surely not factory if anyone looks at it that know factory radiators

As far as other details we don't know what plant of application your trying to "make" a radiator for. For some application you might want to save an original radiator and just make a second one for use in a modified car if I understand correctly what your trying to do
Title: Re: 1964-1/2 , 1965 , 1966 Radiators - Including Soldered Tags
Post by: 66gtoldmansford on June 18, 2018, 09:36:17 AM
I am trying to determine if the only difference between the 65/66 A/C and non-A/C radiators is the number of fins per inch.  The A/C having 15 vs the non A/C having 12.  I have one Dearborn and one Metuchen 289 V8 A/C cars I am trying to source original radiators for.  I have two Y code Dearborn radiators.  If the fins count is the only difference, then it seems like that can be handled through a good recore.

Also, can anyone recommend a radiator shop they have used for this type of recore?

Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 V8 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: ChrisV289 on July 04, 2020, 04:08:37 PM
Where did the list go the different radiator codes?  Says moved spreadsheet but where is that at?
Title: Re: 1965 / 1966 V8 Radiators - Including Solidered Tags
Post by: J_Speegle on July 04, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
Where did the list go the different radiator codes?  Says moved spreadsheet but where is that at?

Don't know. Member quit the site and may have taken it with him/her