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Title: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on March 29, 2017, 12:45:48 AM
Well lest see how this goes.  The first part had over 600 views though allot of people held back either uncertain of the rules, games or details. That's ok - since we all have things to learn and share so with that said lets move on to the second half - evaluating when we see, what those facts may mean and what conclusion can we draw from the information provided.

A note before we start. These pictures were not staged nor am I always sure why I took them at the moment. Some were taken so that if I needed something the next day I would have a general idea of what I left in the yard so that I could return if needed soon after. In general, besides taking pictures I often purchase allot of little parts since few others pay any attention to those, other buyers rarely would ask for them, I get to help get a few dollars in the hands of the owners (I want to be allowed free and complete access the next visits) and its often the little stuff that is difficult to find when doing a restoration.

Thought about doing all the details all at once but for this first attempt choose to do them one at a time so that the discussion is more focused and less like a shotgun   ::). Revealing each number one by one as we go through the details



So here is the first picture with the first feature and item numbered so we can call them out and discuss the finer points. Again this is an experiment to see if we can benefit from this sort of thing and figure out if these are worth repeating.


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234511.jpeg)



So for the first item -

Identification - What is it?   
Application - What year/years and models was it used on?

Item #1- Identification -                                       Application(s) -

Answer the questions and we should have narrowed down what the vehicle could be and what it could not be. Hope you have fun



Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on March 29, 2017, 09:03:07 AM
1. Coupe- Fastback rocker.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: 67gtasanjose on March 29, 2017, 09:41:06 AM
1. Coupe- Fastback rocker.
+1 obviously NOT a convertible but what year(s) share the limited amount seen of the body itself? I suppose you need to take in the "bigger picture". UNI-BODY PARTS ONLY can narrow the correct response down to the correct answer(s) for what Jeff is now pointing at as #1. I'm saying to keep in mind that the "other items seen" in the picture, not to assume these parts are actually from the VEHICLE in the picture. Marty just shared recently a picture of a 68 Coupe with many "wrong" parts in the same picture.

Remember, the word "ASSUME" can be broken into three syllables!   
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on March 29, 2017, 08:41:11 PM
1. Coupe- Fastback rocker.


Glad to see someone that is not fully versed in the 65-66 cars taking a shot at this.  Responses to the first part of this challenge seemed to focus on the 65-66 period

That is the right shape of the rocker panel - eliminating what it isn't, a convertible.  Now is there anything else in the picture and that panel that could narrow down when that panel was used?   

Know we have allot of 65-6 (or even up) members. Guess no one has a car with the sill plate not in place at the moment.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on March 29, 2017, 09:18:06 PM
I don't remember seeing that hole in the upper part of the rocker panel on m 66 Metuchen fastback.  Could this narrow it down to a 64.5-65?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on March 29, 2017, 09:37:25 PM
Don't know if we are allowed to post pics of our own cars but my car had at least two of the holes so maybe produced prior to Oct of 64, I don't know?  This was taken in 2015 when I did the vinyl on the car between the rocker panel and floorboard...
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: preaction on March 29, 2017, 09:43:14 PM
Fold down rear seat latch covers so Im going with a fastback but cant answer as to a time frame.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on March 29, 2017, 10:34:51 PM
Don't know if we are allowed to post pics of our own cars but my car had at least two of the holes so maybe produced prior to Oct of 64, I don't know? ........

Since this is the sharing and learning stage of the exercise can't see why not as long as we stay on focus. But would not say that it was prior to Oct 64 the possibilities could include Oct 64.  Have to find when they stopped installing a rocker with that feature.

Fold down rear seat latch covers so Im going with a fastback but cant answer as to a time frame.

Getting ahead of us I think.  We'll label just about everything  before we get done ;)

I don't remember seeing that hole in the upper part of the rocker panel on my 66 Metuchen fastback.  Could this narrow it down to a 64.5-65?

Which hole? I see three holes in the rocker panel (item #1) section shown in the posted picture.

And since you are doing this by memory do we have confirmation from someone else as to what year coupe and fastbacks didn't have some hole - yet to be identified.   8)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on March 29, 2017, 10:42:16 PM
I'm referring to the large hole to the right of the washer, 2/3rds of the way from your "1" and the cover/shield.  The hole is similar in size to the hole for the seat rail bolts.  Charles T. indicated it is a drain hole, but from the picture, it appears to be on the raised interior edge, not in the trough. 
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on March 29, 2017, 10:53:27 PM
I'm referring to the large hole to the right of the washer, 2/3rds of the way from your "1" and the cover/shield.  The hole is similar in size to the hole for the seat rail bolts.  Charles T. indicated it is a drain hole, but from the picture, it appears to be on the raised interior edge, not in the trough.

That hole looks like the metal fore and aft may be deformed - Since its a unibody that may be the results of an earlier accident to the front or rear of the car.

I see that hole, one hidden under the washer and a small one at the forward area (to the right and up slightly) - that one, likely for the screw that holes the sill plate in place. Will wait to see what other owners confirm for the two holes in the well of the rocker. Wonder how many feet I hear moving to the garage to check 
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: markb0729 on March 30, 2017, 12:01:59 AM
1. Coupe- Fastback rocker.

Front, passenger side.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on March 31, 2017, 04:46:16 PM
Well it appears we didn't get far with the #1 item. So let me lend a hint or direction

Here are two examples of that same area from 1966 Mustangs



6T07T1522xx (possibly a Nov 65 built NJ car) PS rocker with that smaller second hole next to the drain hole

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-310317154226.jpeg)


6R07A1590xx (possibly a Jan 66 built SJ car) PS rocker without that smaller second hole. Only the larger drain hole

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-310317154250.jpeg)


Anyone know why the second hole is there or done away with?  All of this helps narrows the range of when and or where the car in question may have been built.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: drummingrocks on March 31, 2017, 07:52:08 PM
Is the small hole for plastic clips that retain the wiring harness in that area?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on March 31, 2017, 09:00:41 PM
Is the small hole for plastic clips that retain the wiring harness in that area?


Perfect. In the beginning Ford choose to hold the wiring that traveled over the rocker panel in that trough (on the drivers side). Engineers just had them installed on both sides for what ever reason

Pictures of the clips installed and being used on in the drivers side rocker panel. Lower ones have been painted during a prior paint job :( . To either speed the assembly or save money later (66) cars appear to just have used a piece of gaffers tape over this area to hold the wires in place,

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-310317195925.jpeg)


So based on the pictures in response #11 we have a running change from a design with the holes for retaining clips and without the retaining clips.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on March 31, 2017, 10:31:21 PM
Jeff just when you think you have it all figured out, I go and post this picture of my drag car - May 68 Dearborn Coupe RH rocker with the wire clip holes!
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on March 31, 2017, 11:29:08 PM
Jeff just when you think you have it all figured out, I go and post this picture of my drag car - May 68 Dearborn Coupe RH rocker with the wire clip holes!

If you check I never wrote that this feature was not found on other years (don't think I have many 76 or 92 pictures to check though) Did use the term "later cars"  but that represented the type found in the second (bottom most in that post) example. But I was surprised in a different way when I ran across this period without the holes so followed that find a bit. This sometimes happens when someone here asks a question and I have to look through a few thousand pictures or more.

Yes I have pictures of 68 examples with the clip holes returning for some reason. Of course since the picture was posted for over a week some have jump head narrowing down the possibilities (years) already ; )

I did check my pictures and found the clip holes on 67-69's at this point. Pictures of 70s I found so far all had the tape over the rocker panels so can't see the holes.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 01, 2017, 12:20:39 AM
Ok so back to the game.

 Now the picture could be a 65 or a 67?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 01, 2017, 12:35:29 AM
Looks like the change was about Jan 66 at the plants. We can chance down the approx date at all plants in another thread if need be

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

ITEM #2

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234527.jpeg)


Item #2- Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?    )
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)

Note - Not the wire but the body panel ;)

Answer the questions and we can narrow down what the vehicle could be and what it could not be.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 01, 2017, 09:36:13 AM
It is a passenger seat pedestal.
65-68 coupe or fastback.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: markb0729 on April 01, 2017, 04:47:06 PM
^^^ +1
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 01, 2017, 04:51:23 PM
It is a passenger seat pedestal.
65-68 coupe or fastback.

Hmmm...... will have to check with the judge
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 01, 2017, 09:26:58 PM
I am not sure but were the 64 1/2  seat pedestals open where the panel is on this one?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 01, 2017, 10:43:16 PM
I am not sure but were the 64 1/2  seat pedestals open where the panel is on this one?

Though we wrap allot of details together in the 64 1/2 basket (not all were changed at the same time and at all plants) yes there is an early floor pan. Example from 5F07D1516xx below.   Anyone know when know when the transition from open to closed took place at any of the three plants?  Or an educated guess?

Of course this would reduce the application period for item #2

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-010417214009.jpeg)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 02, 2017, 06:32:51 AM
looks like its got bucket seats as both seat bolt holes visible have 'track' marks... just like 98% of all early mustangs...

but is it common to have 2 screw holes on the outer side? my car didn't come with carpet, but it did have carpet under the screw in that location. is it just to hold the carpet in place or is there another purpose?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 02, 2017, 06:41:39 PM
So no one has an idea of when the factories (any of them) changed from the early to the later seat risers on the closed cars?   So far we've got two of the 67-68 owners guessing but not a peep out of the early members   ::)


but is it common to have 2 screw holes on the outer side? my car didn't come with carpet, but it did have carpet under the screw in that location. is it just to hold the carpet in place or is there another purpose?

It's possible that the carpet has been replaced in the car and rather than locating the original hole the installer just punched another the second time.  only purpose I know of is to keep that end of the top section of carpet in place and in turn the one below.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: CharlesTurner on April 02, 2017, 10:25:01 PM
Latest I have a reference for with the holes under the seats is late June '64, Dearborn. 
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 03, 2017, 12:27:26 AM
Latest I have a reference for with the holes under the seats is late June '64, Dearborn.
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Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: markb0729 on April 03, 2017, 12:31:49 AM
My 65 Dearborn Fastback driver side seat riser has a date stamp of 7/25.  They do not have the holes.  Approximate build date is September 2, 1964.


Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 03, 2017, 02:32:23 AM
My Oct 64 SJ car has the hole for the carpet screw. Is it possible this was prior to the carpet going underneath the sill plate to hold it down?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 03, 2017, 05:47:01 AM
My Oct 64 SJ car has the hole for the carpet screw. Is it possible this was prior to the carpet going underneath the sill plate to hold it down?

Good chance, on cars that had carpet that went under the sill plate, the screw would have been installed prior to the plate but don't believe the screw was installed to hold in in preparation of the sill plate being installed. Consider that the screws were installed on cars where the carpet didn't go under the sill plate (much more fo a reason to have them in that situation) and on the inner side of the seats in some cars on both sides of the driveline tunnel. More likely IMHO just made sure everything stayed in place and helped the carpet hung the floor panels and keep the two carpet sections where they were meant to be
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 03, 2017, 09:26:40 PM
Latest I have a reference for with the holes under the seats is late June '64, Dearborn.

Unfortunately don't have any pictures of very early 65 San Jose cars with the seats and carpets out to add to the discussion at the moment. :(  But we'll use June/July for the game for the moment to move forward. 
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 03, 2017, 09:31:37 PM
Next Item

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

ITEM #3

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234602.jpeg)


Item #3 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?    )
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)

Note - The section of wire not the body panel ;)  ENJOY!!
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on April 03, 2017, 09:46:23 PM
That's a blue/red wire, possibly with a plastic retainer that folds the wire on each end onto prongs, that plugs into a body panel.  A wire that long can only be a PRNDL extension wire, which I don't think came with the retainer, or a lead that is part of the rear console lamp wire.  The Osborne Assembly Manual doesn't show a plastic retainer either, so I don't know what the kinks are just to the left of the "3".

I believe this is a 67 or 68, with a forward dash lamp lead for the rear console lamp.  The paired ground wire is not seen in the photo.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 03, 2017, 10:31:11 PM
I think it is a blue red strip wire for automatic transmission gear indicator light power lead.
If it is from this car I would say it had a automatic transmission.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: 67gtasanjose on April 04, 2017, 05:49:48 AM
I think it is a blue red strip wire for automatic transmission gear indicator light power lead.
If it is from this car I would say it had a automatic transmission.

+1 Looks like an auto trans shifter indicator feed wire, more likely WITHOUT a console. Not clear enough to nail down the year model. Truthfully, we are also assuming this is a Mustang. Has anyone considered it is possible to be a Cougar yet?

Again, I have personally shoveled left-over parts from a CARcus from a car slated to be crushed, over into another similar vehicle so I wouldn't take it forgranted the loose parts are from this very vehicle.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 04, 2017, 06:36:38 PM
First Richard, I can assure you that most of the parts shown in any of these puzzles are from the car in question. Would not be much of a useful exercise if they were not nor serve any productive purpose ;)

As for the wire isn't light blue with a red stripe a fairly standard wire color for any interior light/lamp?  If for a console what would the end(s) look like as far as boot color and or type (male/female)?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on April 04, 2017, 09:01:21 PM


As for the wire isn't light blue with a red stripe a fairly standard wire color for any interior light/lamp?  If for a console what would the end(s) look like as far as boot color and or type (male/female)?

No, interior lamps were also black/blue for switched courtesy lights.  Blue/red wires were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated.  Ford was not consistent from year to year about the PRNDL lamp control, but wire colors changed circa 69 model year from blue/red to brown. 

As for plug colors and type: there should always be a male bullet where this wire plugs into the main underdash harness and a female bullet at the other end.  If for a PRNDL lamp, this wire is occasionally terminated at the bulb socket itself.  Depending upon the year, the rear termination would be a single female bullet, taped with a ring connector/male bullet separate wire, or combined with a male/female molded connector with the blue/red wire.  The picture in question does not show either end, so that is no help.  As far as color goes, typically the male bullet side was red, but I have seen black.  The rear side is typically black.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 04, 2017, 10:40:08 PM
No, interior lamps were also black/blue for switched courtesy lights.  Blue/red wires were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated.  Ford was not consistent from year to year about the PRNDL lamp control, but wire colors changed circa 69 model year from blue/red to brown. 

That is what I meant but worded it poorly

As for plug colors and type:......................... The picture in question does not show either end, so that is no help.  As far as color goes, typically the male bullet side was red, but I have seen black.  The rear side is typically black.

Just figured I would do an extra credit sicne I have other pictures of the vehicle interior and have pictures that cover the wire much better in those. Will wait until the end for that discovery
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 04, 2017, 10:44:41 PM
Since we seem to be on a roll of a new picture every day or so here is the next Item

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #4- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?


ITEM #4 If you need to go back to the earlier pictures where the number isn't covering up the item. 

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234742.jpeg)


Item #4 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?    )
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)

Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 04, 2017, 11:43:30 PM
To me this grill is similar size and shape to the fresh air vent. and i can't think of any other place it would come from.

Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 05, 2017, 12:41:23 AM
Isn't this the side passenger air grill on a 64-65 underdash evaporator?  I don't think 66 had one as the under dash unit is different and smaller. You can sort of see it in reply #5 on my unit closest to the firewalls
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 05, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
Isn't this the side passenger air grill on a 64-65 underdash evaporator?  I don't think 66 had one as the under dash unit is different and smaller. You can sort of see it in reply #5 on my unit closest to the firewalls

now that i have googled it, you look correct. anyone back up the date range?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 05, 2017, 06:54:38 PM
To me this grill is similar size and shape to the fresh air vent. and i can't think of any other place it would come from.

For those following along and as a form of help

65 Fresh air drill

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-050417175201.jpeg)



67 fresh air grill since that year is still within the earlier item year span at this point

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-050417175221.jpeg)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 05, 2017, 06:56:55 PM
Isn't this the side passenger air grill on a 64-65 underdash evaporator?  I don't think 66 had one as the under dash unit is different and smaller. You can sort of see it in reply #5 on my unit closest to the firewalls

As a help - underdash AC units.
Top from a 65  lower from a 66 for comparison (yes that is just a loose wire hanging/settled in the forward grill. 
Purple rear intake grills and green black plastic corner output grills

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-050417175051.jpeg)


So what do we have in the main picture as #4?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 05, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
It looks to be the under dash AC grill with the pink arrows. I am not sure if there was a difference in 65-66 units.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 05, 2017, 09:32:50 PM
It's a 65 underdash a.c. unit. The 66 has less rings that the one in the picture.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 05, 2017, 10:27:02 PM
It's a 65 underdash a.c. unit.


Well from a 65 AC head unit


The 66 has less rings that the one in the picture.

Did you notice the "spokes" also ?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 05, 2017, 11:34:20 PM
I noticed there was an extra internal ring on the 65 pic which matches the one in this thread, the 66 has less. Yeah. The rings were slightly more defined, but definitely 6 spoke over 4 spoke.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 05, 2017, 11:53:43 PM
Does this also mean that there is no console? Or is there short and long consoles for underdash a.c.?

Apologies. Thinking out loud without using a search engine... There are 2 versions.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 06, 2017, 06:30:59 PM
Since we seem to be on a roll of a new picture every day or so here is the next Item

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #3- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?

Item #4- Identification - Under dash AC unit  air intake grill
Application(s) - 1964-65


ITEM #5

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234758.jpeg)


Item #5 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?    )
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)

Enjoy!! Someone will likely have some fun with this one
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 06, 2017, 08:22:42 PM
Looks like the remnants of the trunk mat. Looks like plaid so that would be 65 since 64 had the speckled finish
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 06, 2017, 08:44:42 PM
Looks like the remnants of the trunk mat. Looks like plaid so that would be 65 since 64 had the speckled finish

Nope :)
Hint - your seeing basically the back side of the product. The "top" side example is below and to the right of the number
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 06, 2017, 09:14:00 PM
Rocker panel vinyl was my next guess
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 06, 2017, 10:05:43 PM
Is it old weathered duct tape.
 At first I thought it was a old photo or weathered magazine with people on it. Must be what I see in the ink blots!
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tobkob on April 06, 2017, 10:33:12 PM
Looks like maybe carpet.

TOB
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on April 06, 2017, 11:06:44 PM
Weatherproofing shield for the rear interior quarter fastbacks? 
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: preaction on April 07, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Some part of the underside of a fold down rear seat for 65 66 ?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 07, 2017, 12:35:05 AM
Is it old weathered duct tape.

Winner-  More examples at the far right in the picture. The silver stuff.

Duct or racers tape used to patch, repair, hold together, make a quick fix........ In this case (because I know more that just what the picture shows) it was used to hold together the heater plenum
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 07, 2017, 04:38:16 PM
Today's item  which should take this thread to over 1,000 views  8)


Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #3- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?

Item #4- Identification - Under dash AC unit  air intake grill
Application(s) - 1964-65

Item #5- Identification - Duct tape 
Application(s) - Anything you can slap it on  ::)

ITEM #6

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234810.jpeg)


Item #6 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?)
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)

Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 07, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
Passenger side drain hose cover used on 64 and 65 mustangs
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 09, 2017, 11:32:43 PM
Passenger side drain hose cover used on 64 and 65 mustangs

+1   Example below

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-090417223218.jpeg)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 09, 2017, 11:35:28 PM
Next item SOme of these may seem pretty easy if you know the cars in that time period. But they are are all possible clues

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #3- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?

Item #4- Identification - Under dash AC unit  air intake grill
Application(s) - 1964-65

Item #5- Identification - Duct tape 
Application(s) - Anything you can slap it on  ::)

Item #6- Identification - Passenger side drain hose cover   
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 65 mustangs.

ITEM #7

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234833.jpeg)


Item #7 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?)
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)

And while we're at this - How many can you see?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 10, 2017, 12:56:56 AM
They are seat bolt access cover grommets, I see 6.

I think they were used 64 1/2 to at least 69.

Convertibles use six of these and two metal covers.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: CharlesTurner on April 10, 2017, 01:32:23 AM
Convertibles use six of these and two metal covers.

65-66 convertibles use 8 just like coupes/fastbacks.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tobkob on April 10, 2017, 10:29:34 AM
I see 7 grommets.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 10, 2017, 07:21:52 PM
Good - we have 7 visible seat bolt access covers/plugs
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 10, 2017, 07:29:24 PM
Next item some of these may seem pretty easy if you know the cars in that time period. But they are are all possible clues

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #3- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?

Item #4- Identification - Under dash AC unit  air intake grill
Application(s) - 1964-65

Item #5- Identification - Duct tape 
Application(s) - Anything you can slap it on  ::)

Item #6- Identification - Passenger side drain hose cover   
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 65 mustangs.

Item #7- Identification - Seven front seat nut access covers/plugs
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 66 mustangs all body types.

ITEM #8

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234853.jpeg)


Item #8 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?)
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)

There is a second group of the same type of items to the right. How many total do you see or believe there are in these two groups?

Now with #7 and #8 what does it tell us about the possible body style of the car in question? This would go along with the "Application" part above
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on April 10, 2017, 07:48:35 PM
Those look like seat rail to carpet protectors/brackets.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 10, 2017, 09:26:16 PM
I agree they are seat carpet track protectors. They were use through 1967. They were built on the 68 tracks.

I think there are only 6 plugs the 7th one looks smaller.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 10, 2017, 11:19:05 PM
Those look like seat rail to carpet protectors/brackets.

There is a second group of the same type of items to the right. How many total do you see or believe there are in these two groups?

Now with #7 and #8 what does it tell us about the possible body style of the car in question? This would go along with the "Application" part above
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 12, 2017, 04:08:31 AM
i can see 4, but not sure if there is more under the pile with the number as there seems to be another piece of steel angled differently under the 2 you can see. if there is only 4 total, its a bench, other wise its bucket seats.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 12, 2017, 05:06:10 AM
i can see 4, but not sure if there is more under the pile with the number as there seems to be another piece of steel angled differently under the 2 you can see. if there is only 4 total, its a bench, other wise its bucket seats.

I think I can make out at least 5 or more, depends on how high they are stacked int he pile to the right.

If it was a bench seat car what would it tell us about the possible body style given the other clues so far?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on April 12, 2017, 06:37:33 AM
If it was a bench seat, then it could only be a coupe or convertible.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 12, 2017, 10:04:00 AM
If it was a bench seat, then it could only be a coupe or convertible.

if thats true, we rule out fastback, and we also rule out convertible - so bench seat = coupe in this instance.

however, 5 carpet track protectors? is it possible to use them as shims to level the seat out?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 12, 2017, 04:33:05 PM
If it was a bench seat, then it could only be a coupe or convertible.

In 65-67 your correct and that is where the clues seem to be heading. Just wanted to get that discussion covered to maximize the information we can glean from just a picture.

Since there are more than 4 plates/spacers and more than 4 seat nut access plugs that were removed we can guess it likely had front bucket seats and back again to either coupe or fastback again.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 12, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
Next item some of these may seem pretty easy if you know the cars in that time period. But they are are all possible clues

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #3- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?

Item #4- Identification - Under dash AC unit  air intake grill
Application(s) - 1964-65

Item #5- Identification - Duct tape 
Application(s) - Anything you can slap it on  ::)

Item #6- Identification - Passenger side drain hose cover   
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 65 mustangs.

Item #7- Identification - Seven front seat nut access covers/plugs
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 66 mustangs all body types.

Item #8- Identification - Five plus seat carpet track protectors
Application(s) - 65-67 mustangs all body types.

ITEM #9

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234908.jpeg)


Item #9 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?)
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)


Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: 67gtasanjose on April 12, 2017, 04:45:40 PM
#9 ~WS Washer Bag
Application: If twist-on cap, 65, if Flip-Top cap, 66 early (to May '66?)

I think it's a twist-on cap
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: preaction on April 12, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
I cant remember if gold lettering is early or white lettering is, this change happened in early 67 ?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 13, 2017, 08:33:55 PM
#9 ~WS Washer Bag
Application: If twist-on cap, 65, if Flip-Top cap, 66 early (to May '66?)

Think you meant 1967 ;)   Don't recall the month of change over to solid opaque plastic right this moment but its discussed in another thread


I think it's a twist-on cap

Looks like it. Below is a comparison of the neck area of the bags. Top screw on - below flip

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-130417192935.jpeg)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 13, 2017, 08:36:07 PM
Next item - Might be a tough one.  Almost done

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #3- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?

Item #4- Identification - Under dash AC unit  air intake grill
Application(s) - 1964-65

Item #5- Identification - Duct tape 
Application(s) - Anything you can slap it on  ::)

Item #6- Identification - Passenger side drain hose cover   
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 65 mustangs.

Item #7- Identification - Seven front seat nut access covers/plugs
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 66 mustangs all body types.

Item #8- Identification - Five plus seat carpet track protectors
Application(s) - 65-67 mustangs all body types.

Item #9- Identification - Screw on lid windshield washer bag
Application(s) - 65 mustangs all body types.

ITEM #10

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-280317234922.jpeg)


Item #10 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?)
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)


Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 13, 2017, 11:45:32 PM
Is that the back corner piece of the fastback interior section right under the window?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 14, 2017, 12:05:09 AM
Is that the back corner piece of the fastback interior section right under the window?

It appears to have one large hole at the closest end and at least two smaller holes along the lower edge to the right of the first hole. Be aware that if it is metal (appears to be with the formed lip) it may no longer be the same exact shape as it was originally
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 14, 2017, 12:22:26 AM
Driver side cover of the under dash unit was my first guess but the bend at the end threw me off...I have mine off right now to try and change one of the hoses
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 18, 2017, 05:23:52 PM
Driver side cover of the under dash unit was my first guess but the bend at the end threw me off...I have mine off right now to try and change one of the hoses

Yes parts can get bent and lead one astray :)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 18, 2017, 05:34:20 PM
Next item - Might be a difficult one since you cant make out the whole panel. Hole location, form and material is what helped me.
Almost done

Item #1- Identification - Passenger side rocker panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - 64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66 or 1967-69

Item #2- Identification - Passenger side seat riser/pedestals panel for coupe or fastback body
Application(s) - July 64 - Aug 68

Item #3- Identification - Blue/red wire were used for lamps controlled by the dash lamp circuitry or used for shifter lamps, controlled by whether the running lights were activated. Majority believe it is related to the shift lever light.
Application(s) - 64- 71?

Item #4- Identification - Under dash AC unit  air intake grill
Application(s) - 1964-65

Item #5- Identification - Duct tape 
Application(s) - Anything you can slap it on  ::)

Item #6- Identification - Passenger side drain hose cover   
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 65 mustangs.

Item #7- Identification - Seven front seat nut access covers/plugs
Application(s) - 64 1/2 and 66 mustangs all body types.

Item #8- Identification - Five plus seat carpet track protectors
Application(s) - 65-67 mustangs all body types.

Item #9- Identification - Screw on lid windshield washer bag
Application(s) - 65 mustangs all body types.

Item #10- Identification - Drivers side underdash AC side cover
Application(s) - 65-66 Mustangs


ITEM #11

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-180417163333.jpeg)


Item #11 - Identification - _____________________  (Identification - What is it?)
Application(s) - _______________________________ (Application - What year/years and models was it used on?)


Only a couple left :)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: 67gtasanjose on April 18, 2017, 05:38:36 PM
First thought is firewall pad but that white object next to it confuses me ;)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 18, 2017, 06:10:09 PM
Would that be a part of the heater box? I see duct tape that may have been used to hold it together.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: lancelot66 on April 18, 2017, 06:38:54 PM
What about that guard up under the dash that keeps the wires out of the wiper arms? Believe it's some sort of fiber board material. I haven't seen one in a long time (which is probably good!).
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 18, 2017, 06:40:58 PM
First thought is firewall pad but that white object next to it confuses me ;)

No the white object is for those that get the answer wrong   :o


Would that be a part of the heater box? I see duct tape that may have been used to hold it together.

Nope - hint - the material is is made of appears to be the dark gray/black cardboard material
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ruppstang on April 18, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Is it part of the taped up heater plenum?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 19, 2017, 12:19:26 AM
What about that guard up under the dash that keeps the wires out of the wiper arms? Believe it's some sort of fiber board material. .....................

Thought so too until I compared them and in the wiper cover there is only one hole in the material and its on a little "ear" sticking out from the main shape. The one in question the hole is not located like that.


Hard to tell what it is. The edge may indicate it being sort of thicker than a cardboard heater plenum, glove box liner or wiper cover.  Surface does not look like the back side of a firewall pad nor does the surface appear to have the texture of a Dearborn/NJ pad nor the pattern from a typical San Jose pad.

Unfortunately its on the bottom so that multiple items are covering the edges so we have one fairly large hole and possible a formed/shaped area.  Also a torn/repaired visible upper edge   Humm
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: 67350#1242 on April 19, 2017, 10:08:44 AM
Kick panel insulation?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 19, 2017, 03:07:30 PM
Kick panel insulation?

On early cars always seen it the light color like roof insulation.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: preaction on April 20, 2017, 11:40:28 AM
Cardboard trunk filler ?
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: jwc66k on April 20, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
Not related to the items shown, but the shadows near number "2", the one touching "2" is the door frame, and the continuation above it thru numbers "4" and "5" indicate the shadow of a rear quarter window, so - hardtop.
To the left of numbers "4" and "5" would be a screw hole to hole down the carpet, but it is missing which is typical of a console installation, so - console (except if the screw holes are out of frame).
The washer bag, if original to the car, has no scratch marks from the 66 flip cap, but it does not show the grip edge for a 65 screw top, WAG - 1965 car.
Rust on the floor - an East coast car.
Jim
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 20, 2017, 04:52:17 PM
Cardboard trunk filler ?

Don't think any of those have round holes.

With that said and a few days dedicated to this item I 'm not sure if we're going to figure out what it is so lets close this out with some guess as to what the car is.

SO in your final response (if your still playing) give me your best guess with as much focused detail. Think its going to be impossible from the picture (unless I missed something) to determine what assembly plant the car was built at but you should be able to provide a production year, even a range of possible months is could have been built in. 

Engine? 
Trans? 
Body type/code?
Exterior color/code?
Interior color/code?
Options and anything else.


Will give this a few days then I'll post a VIN, options and maybe a couple of other pictures and info to confirm what you thought or guessed.

Hope this experiment was educational and fun.   Or maybe not  :o
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 21, 2017, 11:34:39 PM
SO in your final response (if your still playing) give me your best guess with as much focused detail. Think its going to be impossible from the picture (unless I missed something) to determine what assembly plant the car was built at but you should be able to provide a production year, even a range of possible months is could have been built in. 

Engine? 
Trans? 
Body type/code?
Exterior color/code?
Interior color/code?
Options and anything else.


Will give this a few days then I'll post a VIN, options and maybe a couple of other pictures and info to confirm what you thought or guessed.

Hope this experiment was educational and fun.   Or maybe not  :o

Wow - sure got quiet all a sudden   ::)

Agree that slop and batch grays are often very hard to tell from SGB and why I found using a fairly fresh SGB test panel to compare. When compared side by side its much easier to pick out the difference
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: tim_morrison82 on April 22, 2017, 10:00:04 AM
I have enjoyed investigating the photos and gaining knowledge on some early parts. Also having feedback on what may or may not have been correct usumptions.

Looking forward to a 67-68 version.

Cheers
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 23, 2017, 05:52:29 PM
No Guesses?

So my take away from the exercise is the following

Item #1 - Coupe or fastback  64 1/2- through approx Dec 65/Jan 66
Item #2 - July 64 - Aug 68
Item #3 - Automatic transmission light wire possibly with console
Item #4 - Under dash AC
Item #7 & #8 - Likely bucket seats
Item #9 - 65 Windshield washer bag

So possibly white exterior coupe or fastback built between July 64 and end of 65 production with bucket seats, automatic and AC.

I think I got all of the main stuff
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: midlife on April 23, 2017, 08:00:54 PM
Not a fastback, due to the shadow that jwc66k pointed out.

Jeff: I thought you knew what this car was?  I was going to guess it was a 65 SJ coupe.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 23, 2017, 08:05:26 PM
Not a fastback, due to the shadow that jwc66k pointed out.

Jeff: I thought you knew what this car was?  I was going to guess it was a 65 SJ coupe.

Thanks for the reminder. Lots of posts. And yes I know the car and the VIN just going through the steps since no one was giving it a go.

Now your just guessing about the San Jose part of that    ::) and you know allot more than just 65 SJ coupe from what you've seen in the pictures ;)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: ChrisV289 on April 23, 2017, 09:58:21 PM
Looking at the picture towards the bottom right it looks like it has something coming away from the rocker panel, could that be the vinyl that covers the rocker panel between the floor board and sill plate?  Definitely not a convertible.  I'd have to guess as well a coupe or fastback. 
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 23, 2017, 11:24:32 PM
Looking at the picture towards the bottom right it looks like it has something coming away from the rocker panel, could that be the vinyl that covers the rocker panel between the floor board and sill plate? 

That looks to be another piece of duct tape. Owner sure seems to have used it a number of places
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 23, 2017, 11:42:50 PM
So lets see how we did.

The answers we came up with lead us to
White exterior coupe built between July 64 and end of 65 production with bucket seats, automatic and AC.

The cars VIN is ..... drum roll    :D

5R07C13496x with a projected build date of Sept 8th 1964.

My next post will be a group of pictures from other parts of the interior that will help confirm what we deduced  in our discussion plus some additional information. Must saw we got pretty close. No way, from the pictures were we going to figure out the assembly plant, interior color/code or engine size. To name a few.

Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 23, 2017, 11:47:02 PM
5R07C13496x pictures

Dash and front interior area. Pic #1

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-230417223638.jpeg)



Passenger side front floor board with things moved around Pic #2

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-230417223619.jpeg)


Drivers side floor board. Pic #3

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-230417223457.jpeg)


Rear floor area Pic #4

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-230417223552.jpeg)



And even some original accessory floor mats in blue if I recall correctly

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-230417223525.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-230417223513.jpeg)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on April 25, 2017, 11:11:34 PM
Well the additional pictures confirm the automatic transmission (brake pedal) , the likelyhood of a console (holes along the transmission tunnel)  and some additional AC pieces and parts (grommet for the line to the condenser on the driver's side floor
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: 67gtasanjose on April 26, 2017, 06:08:38 AM
1965 Mustang non-GT, Wimbledon White (M or 5M), 289 2v (C-code) coupe (07 vin plus 65A on data tag), auto trans (6), console, (therefore had to have buckets ;) ) San Jose built (R), two-tone blue & white interior (42 or D2), Air Conditioning, Deluxe Steering wheel, radio: I assume no radio or AM only, since no other options in 65

I am sure those doing build sheets and VIN consecutive build numbering could add more data but this is the easier list :) Perhaps the data tag info I suggested could be whittled down more also to include a closer estimated build date as well. Have to leave something for others ;)
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: CharlesTurner on April 26, 2017, 10:57:50 AM
I thought the black piece on the floor was the remnant of a firewall pad.  Didn't look like a San Jose one.

My original guess was a late 64.5 Dearborn V8 coupe, auto w/AC.
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: Hipo giddyup on April 26, 2017, 04:10:13 PM
I actually thought the black piece on the floor was a piece of carpet underlayment.  They easily rip and break up with age.  :o
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: J_Speegle on May 01, 2017, 09:47:00 PM
I actually thought the black piece on the floor was a piece of carpet underlayment.  They easily rip and break up with age.  :o

A possibility - though the hole is what lead me away from that
Title: Re: Now for something different. #1 Part II
Post by: drummingrocks on May 03, 2017, 08:24:22 AM
Is the black piece the bolt-on cover that hides the evaporator connections on a '65 air unit?  If I remember right, it would be near the driver's knee when installed in a car.