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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 => 1969 - 1970 => Topic started by: J_Speegle on April 18, 2017, 06:02:31 PM

Title: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 18, 2017, 06:02:31 PM
Here is an article that had been left unfinished for a while so figured I would wrap it up. Basically its an expanded version (with pictures) of the 69-70 FAQ 1b posted at the top of this section. Give it a look and let me know what I overlooked or messed up :) so I can adjust and post in the Library

Thanks


http://concoursmustang.com/speegle/Articles/69/Article-69-70BatchIllustrated%201A.pdf (http://concoursmustang.com/speegle/Articles/69/Article-69-70BatchIllustrated%201A.pdf)
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: Brian Conway on April 18, 2017, 08:11:06 PM
Add the hood hinges to the parts chart ?
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 18, 2017, 11:45:54 PM
Add the hood hinges to the parts chart ?

The purpose of the article is to point out how different plants had different finishes on the same parts and if it was slop gray a possible starting point/code for a paint

With that in mind how are hood hinges different between plants?   Just asking since you might want to share something I'm unaware of or maybe what your thinking of could be covered in another article

Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: specialed on April 19, 2017, 09:16:20 AM
Looks good jeff & you might want to add a footnote by center grill support photo (does not apply to Shelby) like you did by bumper arms photo as I have seen restorers paint unique Shelby bumper arms & grill support slop grey like the regular mustang or just add those to parts to the SGB list. Someone needs to do an interior article like this also showing different finishes.
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: Vcode on April 19, 2017, 01:07:44 PM
Jeff,

Thanks for posting that article..very helpful.

Dale.
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: Raven R Code on April 19, 2017, 01:28:07 PM
Wanting to be clear....the SGB is NOT the same as the basic engine bay paint, which I understand is a semi-flat black ?
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: krelboyne on April 19, 2017, 03:00:49 PM
Jeff, typo in the 'legend' you have the abbreviation listed as SBB, (should be SGB) for semi gloss black.

I have always described the engine bay color as satin black.
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 19, 2017, 03:02:37 PM
Wanting to be clear....the SGB is NOT the same as the basic engine bay paint, which I understand is a semi-flat black ?

Some may describe it using different terms I choice to refer to both as semi-gloss black just different sheens but can see where semi-flat might describe the flatter range of the semi's

Many years ago there was a scale produced where an attempt was made to describe different levels of semi-gloss and some of the major parts that may have been painted that "color" using a 1-5 scale.  Charles and I have thought/discussed redoing that chart but have not gotten to it. Many of us have made a little board or strip of metal shot with 4-8 (approx) bands of different semi-gloss blacks so that we can compare the finish before it is stripped and redone in an effort to try and reproduce this range of different finishes while still staying in the semi-gloss finish. Of course a scale if done would be a generalization but a place to at least start for someone

Good item and discussion - thanks all
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 19, 2017, 03:06:07 PM
Looks good jeff & you might want to add a footnote by center grill support photo (does not apply to Shelby) like you did by bumper arms photo as I have seen restorers paint unique Shelby bumper arms & grill support slop grey like the regular mustang or just add those to parts to the SGB list.


Can do

Someone needs to do an interior article like this also showing different finishes.

Interior different finishes? 
What gets painted what color??
Like taking the paint chart and illustrating it?

Or plating/finishes of metal parts, brackets, .....?

Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: Raven R Code on April 19, 2017, 06:58:14 PM
Some may describe it using different terms I choice to refer to both as semi-gloss black just different sheens but can see where semi-flat might describe the flatter range of the semi's.

I'll ask it a different way......should the hood latch support along with everything else in your supplied picture be painted with the same paint as the engine bay? That's the way I've always done it in the past but just want to double check.

Thanks,
Dave
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 19, 2017, 07:04:47 PM
I'll ask it a different way......should the hood latch support along with everything else in your supplied picture be painted with the same paint as the engine bay? That's the way I've always done it in the past but just want to double check.

Its much easier for a restorer to paint everything witht he same paint but on an original car and a well restored one IMHO the amount of gloss and tint would vary since the individual parts would have been painted miles from each other by different companies, in different situations and using different paint brands and types

So IMHO the answer would be no
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: D0ZZ on April 20, 2017, 05:18:37 PM
Another typo in the legend, in the slop gray area at the bottom. Currently is "Typical took on the look of a medium to day gray with a slight green or blue overtones." I think you want typical to be typically and day gray to be dark gray  ;)

Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 20, 2017, 08:50:36 PM
Another typo in the legend, in the slop gray area at the bottom. Currently is "Typical took on the look of a medium to day gray with a slight green or blue overtones." I think you want typical to be typically and day gray to be dark gray  ;)

Thanks and welcome to the site
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: azscj on April 21, 2017, 03:23:57 AM
Great article, well done for a topic that seems to come up all the time.  I especially like the picture on page 1. 

It would be interesting to give a bit more background about how they created and used the slop grey.  Has there ever been any more information uncovered about this or photos?  Im sure what I am picturing in my head is alot more different than what was going on in Dearborn. 

Also...I know we say the front license plate brackets are supposed to be slop grey but I have never actually found one like that.  They always seem black even with most of the cars I find in Arizona that are from Dearborn.  Do we have something that documents that or details that part being slop grey?   
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: ShakenFE on April 21, 2017, 02:30:12 PM
Thanks for article, timely for me as front end of my San Jose car is slowly coming together now.  Question on Page 6 the hood release lever assembly is shown in gray surrounded by the SGB parts you itemized.  What is color application is the hood release lever assembly from San Jose?  Thanks
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 21, 2017, 03:14:40 PM
... What is color application is the hood release lever assembly from San Jose?  Thanks

Phosphate & oil - Same all plants
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 21, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
Great article, well done for a topic that seems to come up all the time.  I especially like the picture on page 1. 

Was doing a full exploded view of the front sheet metal and brackets - thought that would look best but it was holding (finding time to finish that drawing with other needs at the moment) I choose to go with a picture I had the forethought to take when I was assembling my Boss

It would be interesting to give a bit more background about how they created and used the slop grey.  Has there ever been any more information uncovered about this or photos?  Im sure what I am picturing in my head is alot more different than what was going on in Dearborn. 

Currently I believe that the stamping plant that did the slop gray and supplied Dearborn had access to the Dearborn assembly lines left over paint and because of that they worked it into the paint supply like the car plant did for the floor paint since the early 60's. The puzzler is that (for example) The same stamping plants supplied both San Jose and Dearborn but the parts used have different finishes  ::)


Also...I know we say the front license plate brackets are supposed to be slop grey but I have never actually found one like that.  They always seem black even with most of the cars I find in Arizona that are from Dearborn.  Do we have something that documents that or details that part being slop grey?   

Believe its a legacy set down long ago by the people in the east, making the rules for these cars.  Might be something to chase and discuss if you have access to those cars and parts in volume.  If you get some agreement and some documentation we can correct the article quickly.  ;)
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: PerkinsRestoration on April 22, 2017, 12:16:34 AM
Today I looked at 7 original paint DAP 69-70 Mustangs with original paint dark gray tag brackets. Dark gray was typical for DAP built Mustangs. The original dark gray is much darker than the rattle can slop gray found on most restorations. The parts were dipped not sprayed. The stamping plants typically did not paint  parts. The Dearborn stamping plant(Tag brackets) shipped parts to the Brownsville redistribution center in Romulus Mi to be prepped, then painted before shipping to DAP. The tag brackets as well as the parts pictured in article painted at Brownstown were gray. The brackets shipped to distribution centers that supplied Metuchen and San Jose were typically black. Typically service brackets were SGB. Some early service parts were also gray as Brownstown supplied parts to Autolite National Parts distribution center in Livonia MI. After nearly 50 years of weathering its often hard to ID slop gray from SGB.
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 22, 2017, 12:23:16 AM
Today I looked at 7 original paint DAP 69-70 Mustangs with original paint dark gray tag brackets. Dark gray was typical for DAP built Mustangs.....................

Thanks for taking a look and responding
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: J_Speegle on April 22, 2017, 05:14:57 AM
Will make the appropriate adjustments and corrections and post the final in  the Library

Thanks to everyone
Title: Re: 69-70 Slop Gray Article Review
Post by: Blown351stang on April 24, 2017, 11:47:28 PM
That's a good Article that helps thanks. I have found slop grey on the in side of the spring covers which will make it easy to get matched as a starting point but it is easy to get confused with black in bad light.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h60/blown351stang/P1040145_zpslblkwaoy.jpg) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/blown351stang/media/P1040145_zpslblkwaoy.jpg.html)