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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: 67gtasanjose on April 19, 2017, 06:32:56 AM
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NOTE: Topic moved by Admin from a 68 thread...
OK, I scrapped the acrylic "hobby paints" idea and mixed some oil-based model paints to achieve the closest matches I could. In hind sight, the light pink color was more white than red, I should have started with white and added the magenta. (Ended up needing to buy a 2nd bottle of white, where as had I started with 1/2 bottle of white and added the magenta, then I could have gotten by with only the one bottle of white). The green stripe had very little color left on the driveshaft, only spotty remnants remained even after using EvapoRust to dissolve the rust. What I could make out looked more of a green military drab color so I started with Army Drab and lightened it with white till it matched well. This resulted in a kind of flatter color, more like semi-gloss but the color looked very close at least.
Now, I have only one more question. I found remnants of an "X" from a Grease Marker Crayon on the driveshaft but could not make out if it was white or yellow. It was only a "cleaner area" where the "X" had been.
What color crayon most likely may have been used to make this "X"
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What color crayon most likely may have been used to make this "X"
Richard is this for your 67 or for a 68?
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Richard is this for your 67 or for a 68?
sorry, it is for my 67. I know some details to a 68 could differ even though the assembly part is essentially the same. Perhaps I should be in another thread? (same stripe colors but in different order)
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sorry, it is for my 67. I know some details to a 68 could differ even though the assembly part is essentially the same. Perhaps I should be in another thread? (same stripe colors but in different order)
Lets just keep it separate but maybe some of the details will be the same as in the other 68 thread.
Will report that 67 is where we start finding some X's on San Jose drivelines. Must report that the number is few, out of all the cars we find markings on but they can be found. So don't (others reading and watching) don't assume that your car did or should have one automatically
Looking at my stuff I've got a end of Jan 67 with a white applied over a stripe and a what appears to be a white X on a Oct 66 example
Not sure of the purpose or meaning at this time
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...Will report that 67 is where we start finding some X's on San Jose drivelines. Must report that the number is few, out of all the cars we find markings on but they can be found. So don't (others reading and watching) don't assume that your car did or should have one automatically
Looking at my stuff I've got a end of Jan 67 with a white applied over a stripe and a what appears to be a white X on a Oct 66 example
Not sure of the purpose or meaning at this time
Not sure either but can agree (looking at my picture also) the "X" looks to be white (more than looks to be yellow)
I have a theory on the "X"'s location...It is in line between the two weight locations on each end of the shaft. I wonder if it is a "beginning point" for the balancing process. The weights on this driveshaft are as follows: Front of shaft has one weight centered on the tube seam. Rear end of tube (has tube in tube design): two weights with edges of the weights lined up with the seam. The "X" was centered slightly off of the tube seam, towards the two weights (towards the rear end of shaft). Stripes on the shaft are near center of driveline, front stripe is pink, center is green and rear is white. The X is on the rear half of the shaft near the white stripe.
I'll upload some of the images I have to the thread later this evening. Today, I finished painting the front slip yoke epoxy sealer primer and this "X"was the last detail before I assemble it.
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Dark green is more of a Hunter Green
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Image borrowed from the other thread ONLY to demonstrate the colors I have found on my example clearer than any of the images I have, particularly the green. This particular driveshaft is said to be from a 68 Mustang. According to the '72 MPC anyways, a 67 with 289 & auto, 3 spd or 4 speed, all share the same service part numbers with a 68 of the same combination. I did see some exceptions with GT 4 speed cars and for Hi-Po cars. I am stating this to potentially help others in locating or confirming the correct driveshaft for their build dates. As seen here, obviously there can be ID striping variations so a restorer might double check the finer details before just COPYING any of the markings I am sharing in this thread.
Here is a sample of some of the pictures I took of my unrestored driveshaft below. Include the one earlier in the thread with the "X" marking and that sums it up what I started with anyways.
Rust 911 was used to dissolve the rust and it worked very well. I initially washed all the grease & oil, scrubbing and looking for any coloring on the end yokes of the driveshaft and found none. A light wire wheel grinding to only "dust" the rust layer down a little (trying not to ruin my rust remover too quickly) and then did several dips submerged in a 4 inch PVC capped pipe. Periodically, I pulled, wiped & looked to see if any other marines showed up. Just the 3 stripes and the one "X" is all I found. The slip yoke was red epoxy sealer colored with "machined" areas as bare steel.
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According to the MPC anyways, a 67 with 289, auto, 3 spd or 4 speed, share the same service part numbers with a 68 of the same.
Not sure if they were both the same but it does not surprise me that Ford used one to work as a replacement.
Marks do appear to be different. Never compared the two side by side to see if there are other differences
Have one C code auto example currently and its color pattern matches yours rather than the 68 pattern. Too bad the 67 buildsheets didn't include the colors but only identified as C7ZW-H
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I see five different drive shafts for 67 Mustang, see the attached Jan 67 MPC pic. Interesting that the 289 4/B (A code) nor K code are listed. No listing for a 390 C6. Lots of gaps. Not atypical for the MPC :(
They are listed as a type "Cardboard Lined".
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I see five different drive shafts for 67 Mustang, see the attached Jan 67 MPC pic. Interesting that the 289 4/B (A code) nor K code are listed. No listing for a 390 C6. Lots of gaps. Not atypical for the MPC :(
They are listed as a type "Cardboard Lined".
Try a later MPC, I think all I had available when I checked was a 72 version. I updated my previous comment to reflect the source I used.
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I see five different drive shafts for 67 Mustang, see the attached Jan 67 MPC pic. Interesting that the 289 4/B (A code) nor K code are listed. No listing for a 390 C6. Lots of gaps. Not atypical for the MPC :(
Yep no reason, it seems, to list parts Ford didn't carry or service.
They are listed as a type "Cardboard Lined".
Yes have seen that term used also to describe the style. Guess there was not an "official" term or maybe it changed through the years
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DONE!
Thank you again Jeff for the article on driveshaft restoring.
Some details differ slightly from Concours Thoroughbred expectations but for a Driver Car, more than adequate!
I am pleased so that is what matters.
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DONE!
Thank you again Jeff for the article on driveshaft restoring.
Some details differ slightly from Concours Thoroughbred expectations but for a Driver Car, more than adequate!
I am pleased so that is what matters.
Looks very nice. Glad to be of some help
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Hi Richard, attached you will find pictures of my drive shift. Details are in my signature. My car was built close to the date and at the same plant as yours. As you can see it was very sloppy application of the painted stripes and it does appear their is an "X" as you have found. Maybe this will be of use. Your restored drive shaft looks great.
Thanks, John
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Hi Richard, attached you will find pictures of my drive shift. Details are in my signature. ...........
Signature doesn't (unless I missed it ) the trans
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C4 auto. I will add to signature.
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...and it does appear their is an "X" as you have found. Maybe this will be of use.
I have two questions about your "X" (Checking my theory on the mystery of the location of the "X")
1.) In reference to where your "X" is located to the balancing weights, how would you best describe where it located?
2.) Do I see long stretches of white crayon markers running the length of the shaft from the weights towards the "X"?
Another question:
Do you have other stripes besides the three seen in the center? (Or are those two stripes I see closer to the rear yoke of the shaft a sort of "rub marks" in the rust?)
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Almost appears that their are 2 "X"s. The one next to the white line is very sloppy, almost like they messed up, and the other was directly over the green stripe. Also appears that both are inline with each other and they are directly between the weights. Do not see a line that runs the length of the shaft except the seem of the tube. Their is a brown stripe locate towards the differential end. Then the 3 in the middle.
Took more pictures, but having trouble getting them to post. They maybe too large. I will post as soon as I figure it out.
John
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I have a theory on the "X"'s location...It is in line between the two weight locations on each end of the shaft. I wonder if it is a "beginning point" for the balancing process. The weights on this driveshaft are as follows: Front of shaft has one weight centered on the tube seam. Rear end of tube (has tube in tube design): two weights with edges of the weights lined up with the seam. The "X" was centered slightly off of the tube seam, towards the two weights (towards the rear end of shaft). Stripes on the shaft are near center of driveline, front stripe is pink, center is green and rear is white. The X is on the rear half of the shaft near the white stripe.
... Also appears that both are inline with each other and they are directly between the weights.
Your example matches up (like mine) to the "theory" I have of the "X" being a "beginning point" of the balancing. I watched a youtube video of Inland Empire Driveline making a custom driveshaft for an old Mopar and using that video as a source of knowledge of "how drivelines are balanced", I see how THEY balanced the drive shaft. (at about the 12 minute mark of the video)
Seeing how they stopped the driveshaft and said "using the mark", I see how another driveshaft builder "could" have Crayon-Marked an X as a beginning point. I am sure there are other good videos (probably BETTER videos) on the subject of balancing drive lines but I liked how they set this one up old-school ;)
https://youtu.be/Uw-VrpYmuz0
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Liked the video...didn't like the lack of jack stands during the measurement process!
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Liked the video...didn't like the lack of jack stands during the measurement process!
Like I said...OLD SCHOOL! ;D :o ...like Nacho is! 8)
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Here are a few more photos. John