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Offline DKutz

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64.5 with 65 hood
« on: February 25, 2017, 04:55:35 PM »
Helping a friend get a 64.5 vert back on the road.  It's been in the family since new.  It's been sitting for quit a while and is currently buried under a tarp in the yard.  Looked at it briefly today and noticed it had 64.5 headlight buckets but a 65 hood.  I was not able to open hood or check vin or door tag today (hopefully soon). But.

Is it un heard of to have 64.5 buckets with a 65 hood, or did it happen later in the "64.5" run while going to 65.
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2017, 07:34:13 PM »
Looked at it briefly today and noticed it had 64.5 headlight buckets but a 65 hood.  I was not able to open hood or check vin or door tag today (hopefully soon). But.
Is it un heard of to have 64.5 buckets with a 65 hood, or did it happen later in the "64.5" run while going to 65.
Verify the VIN first. After the 64 run was complete, any usable leftovers were installed on 65 models.
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Offline caspian65

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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2017, 11:56:48 PM »
The first 6 weeks or so of production in 1964 had what appears to be a '65 hood with the front corners turned under.  These hoods are unique in the underside structure, so they are not actually 'just a '65 hood'.  Find out the scheduled build date, it may be the original hood.
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2017, 04:24:43 AM »
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2017, 07:38:10 PM »
The first 6 weeks or so of production in 1964 had what appears to be a '65 hood with the front corners turned under.  These hoods are unique in the underside structure, so they are not actually 'just a '65 hood'.  Find out the scheduled build date, it may be the original hood.

Charles,  I might have a situation like this too.  I have a 64.5 with a build date on the tag of "09D".  This car was my Dad's and he bought it new.  I am currently restoring it.  My body guy knows Mustangs fairly well and is in search of a "64.5 hood" for me but from what you are saying, this could be original?  We had a frontal collision in the 60's and I have just assumed the hood was replaced.  Could you give me a direction where I can check my hood out?  Thanks!  Tom  PS.  It appears to have a 65 headlight bucket on the passenger side and a 64.5 headlight bucket on the driver's side.  We are assuming this was changed in the accident as well, but that is up for debate too I guess.
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2017, 12:36:45 AM »
Some background:  1st generation hood - day one production in March until late April 1964. Folded corners (like a '65 hood), no dimples stamped into leading edge (later examples had four dimples for strength stamped into the leading edge of the hood).

2nd generation hood - late April 1964 until late August 1964 - unfolded corners, four dimples stamped into leading edge. This is what most enthusiasts identify as "the '64 1/2 hood."

3rd generation hood - late August 1964 until July 1965 - folded corners, four dimples stamped into leading edge.

An 09D car would definitely have the 1st generation hood, with no strength dimples stamped into the leading edge, and folded corners like a '65 hood.
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2017, 11:15:02 PM »
Wow!  I cant find any dimples so it must be a legit 1st generation hood....Sure glad I signed up here!  Thanks Steve & Charles...very helpful!!!!  Tom
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2017, 09:42:08 AM »
Would be best to post a pic to be sure...  One of the area, side to side, where the hood pin attaches.
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2017, 06:02:47 PM »
Some pictures of these dimples would be appreciated.  I've got what would be classified as a 2nd Gen hood because the edges aren't folded, but my best guess on a build date is Mar 23 (based on VIN and compared to other VINs with "known" build dates, and yes, I know build dates are a guesstimate), so that should have a 1st Gen hood.  I'm the 3rd owner, bought in Oct '86, and I've never replaced the hood, don't know if previous owners did (and if they did, what are the chances they would know to get that hood).  Next time I see the car (it's currently getting some mechanicals worked on) I need to try to find the coding on the hood and see if that gives me an idea of when it was made.

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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2017, 09:25:42 PM »
Here's a pic of the hood off mine (March 64), squares in the pic what I believe is being discussed here.
Pic of the heavily stamped date (which makes it hard to read) attached and one flipped for ease of decoding, to me looks like 3 20 ?3
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2017, 11:48:46 PM »
I know, wrong color.  Painted a Datsun color in 1978.   :(     Soon to be Wimbledon White again!
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2017, 12:19:05 AM »
Looks like the real deal 1st version hood.

Note the capture of your pic... on the first version, there are no small 'divots' or triangle indentations along those edges the red arrows point to.  This is how to tell the difference between the first hood and the normal 65 hood, which would be the 3rd version.
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2017, 12:21:42 AM »
Here's a pic of the hood off mine (March 64), squares in the pic what I believe is being discussed here.
Pic of the heavily stamped date (which makes it hard to read) attached and one flipped for ease of decoding, to me looks like 3 20 ?3

Dom, that's the typical 64.5 hood with front corners turned out.  The date code looks like a May (5) date.

The areas that were identified with the squares show the dimples, which wouldn't be on the first version hood.

The first version hood was phased out sometime in later April '64
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2017, 12:25:31 AM »
Charles, thank you sir...pretty exciting for the rookie!!!
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Re: 64.5 with 65 hood
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2017, 12:27:25 AM »
Charles, thank you sir...pretty exciting for the rookie!!!

Now the fun begins, having to explain to everyone that the hood is indeed correct for the first 5-6 weeks of production. 

It's a detail very few are aware of.  I know Steve Grant used to get beat up quite a bit when showing his 64.5 pace car coupe with the first version hood.
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