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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 06:07:44 PM »
http://www.alexanderautomotive.net/Used-1967-Ford-Mustang-Franklin-TN/vd/14132201



What do you experts think.

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The poor resolution and limited photos make it is hard to make a definitive conclusion based on the photos by themselves but what with one of the worst repro tags I have ever seen and eluding to the rebody  in the description  I would bet where there is smoke there is fire ;D .More pictures of the underside side and close ups in the engine bay should tell the tale.
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 08:21:38 PM »
Could a Marti report be done on the original VIN under the Shelby tag to determine if it was sent to Shelby?  I
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 10:26:28 PM »
Could a Marti report be done on the original VIN under the Shelby tag to determine if it was sent to Shelby?  I

That would help determine if a car with that VIN was a Shelby  - just does not prove by its self that the car your looking at is that car/body

Sort of like when SAAC responds to letters from people about Shelby and Ford VINs - they can confirm if two sets of VINs originally went together - they don't confirm that the car your looking at  or have is that car/body
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2014, 08:02:17 AM »
The poor resolution and limited photos make it is hard to make a definitive conclusion based on the photos by themselves but what with one of the worst repro tags I have ever seen and eluding to the rebody  in the description  I would bet where there is smoke there is fire ;D .More pictures of the underside side and close ups in the engine bay should tell the tale.

Just my 2 cents, but if "documented originals" bring twice the asking price and seller states "you, be the judge"...I would have to play Sherlock Holmes here and say by deductive reasoning, NOT an original I've read it within forums how people go to great lengths to achieve authentic looking clones. As Bob said, "where there is smoke..." it isn't just burning rubber.

Nonetheless, a real nice looking example and if I wanted one at 1/2 price, might be a consideration to have it insected to know the "Paul Harvey"

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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2014, 11:36:18 PM »
Let me help....I like to play judge.  :o

1968 Mustang chassis + fake 1967 Shelby tag = not original Shelby
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2014, 11:49:17 PM »
Let me help....

1968 Mustang chassis + fake 1967 Shelby tag = not original Shelby
I was wondering how you knew and reviewed the pictures and saw the undercarriage ones that I somehow missed before . I see what you see and agree. 68 chassis  ;).
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2014, 12:03:00 AM »
I would love to see the trunk....
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According to the Shelby Registry, the 1967 car with that serial number is unrestored. Can you say "lawsuit included with sale"?

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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 01:37:00 PM »
I was wondering how you knew and reviewed the pictures and saw the undercarriage ones that I somehow missed before . I see what you see and agree. 68 chassis  ;).

Can you tell me what the difference you see between a 67 chassis and a 68?  I really have no idea.  Curious.

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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 01:46:15 PM »
I would love to see the trunk....
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According to the Shelby Registry, the 1967 car with that serial number is unrestored. Can you say "lawsuit included with sale"?

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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2014, 03:20:37 PM »
Can you tell me what the difference you see between a 67 chassis and a 68?  I really have no idea.  Curious.
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The dual torque boxes are the obvious clue to me - 67 FB/coupe only had one on the driver's side.  Might be more clues, but I stopped at that glaring one.  John
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2014, 03:36:06 PM »
The dual torque boxes are the obvious clue to me - 67 FB/coupe only had one on the driver's side.  Might be more clues, but I stopped at that glaring one.  John
I hate to discuss in depth ON  A PUBLIC FORUM the difference so as to make it easier for the unscrupulous.  +1 no need to go further with the glaring 68 duel torque box clue.
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2014, 08:58:42 PM »
I agree. If you put a laundry list on the forum, then its easier For the next unscrupulous person to perpetuate fraudulent  activities if they so desire.

Let's just say 67 and 68 sheet metal is interchangeable. That does not mean it is identical. Almost every single piece has some variations.
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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2014, 12:13:48 AM »
The dual torque boxes are the obvious clue to me - 67 FB/coupe only had one on the driver's side.  Might be more clues, but I stopped at that glaring one.  John

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Re: Is this a real Shelby or Clone? 67 GT350, maybe?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2014, 12:14:36 AM »
I agree. If you put a laundry list on the forum, then its easier For the next unscrupulous person to perpetuate fraudulent  activities if they so desire.

Let's just say 67 and 68 sheet metal is interchangeable. That does not mean it is identical. Almost every single piece has some variations.

Good points
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