Author Topic: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations -Hoods  (Read 23140 times)

Offline drummingrocks

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2014, 11:39:31 AM »
I also took this picture of the Chism reproduction next to the original and it is pretty close.

Those reproductions look fine to me.  That's probably as good as it's going to get for such a small-demand item.  I bet once the clips are gone, most people don't even know they're missing.
Too much junk, too little time.

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2014, 10:30:30 PM »
My car has the 4 holes in the bottom of the hood.  I am still looking for the clips to hold the wiring for the turn signals in salvage yards.
John
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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2014, 10:16:51 PM »
The curious thing I see is that other hoods all have only 3 clips or holes for the clips. (red hood, cream colored Feb 67 Dearborn, even the first example in the OP's example, all have only 3) Does anybody have other examples that have the 4 clips or 4 holes for the clips in the hood inner structure?

Richard

Richard, I ran across one in Colorado last month with four clips.  VIN 7R01C157328.  The first picture shows the left three.  The second picture the right two.  Sorry but no single pic of all four, but you can see what is going on.
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2014, 10:31:07 PM »
4 it is, I just got the set of 4 clips in the mail today too :)  I was planning on doing the 4, it just also helps to see other examples too.
John, did the harness down at the bottom have the braided covering? It's a bit hard to tell in the picture.

Thanks a lot! My next step is to assemble an early type harness using a later type (that has the plastic sleeve) so I'm beginning now to look for wiring harness examples. I haven't found a reproduction that resembles the earlier type yet.

Richard
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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2014, 10:36:25 PM »
More pics
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2014, 09:08:52 PM »
Found another similar hood with the four clips - but don't have the VIN for this one.
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
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MCA 74660

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2014, 10:23:45 AM »
My hood has also 4 holes, but the left and right hole are far more positioned than the 2 in the middle.
As you can see, there are only 2 clips in the middle.
Pretty sure that the hood is quite original  ::)
My car came with the exterior and interior decor group equipment.
Jeroen
San Jose 7R02C1708xx
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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2014, 10:55:17 AM »
Jeroen, thanks for the picture - very interesting.

Can you add some close up pictures of:
1. The plastic clip
2. The harness between the firewall and hood
3. The holes where the hood would hang when painted at the factory (see pic #1 below)

Question - are the large holes where the wiring would run folded over, or not? You can tell by touch (see pic #2 below)
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2014, 02:12:51 PM »
 
 
 
 

I suspect that you have a newer hood harness and that is why the wire would be too short for the other two clips.
Marty

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #39 on: November 28, 2014, 06:09:00 PM »
Hello John,

I hope that the pictures are the ones that you wanted/needed.
If needed something else (because  I didn't understand it that good, ... just ask  :)
The question I ask myself is if my 2 clips are right? Or do I need 4?
It seems untouched over all those years???
I certainly see/know that those 4 holes are made in 67??
What now?
Kind regards,
Jeroen
PS Hope that Thanksgiving day for you all was a nice family moment  ;)
San Jose 7R02C1708xx
Fastback GTA
built on 01/12/1967

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2014, 09:18:31 PM »
Jeroen,

The details of your hood have me confused.  If you look at Drummingrocks picture on page 2 "Here's the hood on my Metuchen '67, built Dec. 66" you will notice the same two holes used as yours along with the tightly stretched wire (reminds me of Tommy Boy in a little coat).  But that is an "early" hood without the two large holes to run the wire through - the wire runs through clamps under the hood.

Your hood has the early feature of four small holes across the brace for clamps, but the non-early large holes for the wire.

I have not seen that combination yet. I'm not saying it is not original though.  Two things I can think of that can help:

1. Figure out if the large holes are punched flat or punched and rolled over.  The roll over can be felt with a finger and is about 3/6" over.  The "middle" hood was punched flat and protected with plastic grommets, while the "later" hood was rolled over.

2. Provide the date stamp from the hood.

Thanksgiving was great - had left overs today and they were just as good as the first item around. Thanks for asking.
John
67 289 GTA Dec 20 1966 San Jose
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MCA 74660

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2014, 08:20:36 AM »
Hello John,

I hope that the pictures are the ones that you wanted/needed.
If needed something else (because  I didn't understand it that good, ... just ask  :)
The question I ask myself is if my 2 clips are right? Or do I need 4?
It seems untouched over all those years???
I certainly see/know that those 4 holes are made in 67??
What now?
 
I do not know what to think now, It appears that you have a older style harness. The hole on the far left in the picture is too far left, It really makes no sense. I guess I would leave it as it is till we find more information.
Marty

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2014, 09:13:59 AM »
Probably a stupid question... but where do I find the date stamp on the hood?
I will take a picture of it this evening.
Thanks,
Jeroen
San Jose 7R02C1708xx
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built on 01/12/1967

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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2014, 09:41:07 AM »
Probably a stupid question... but where do I find the date stamp on the hood?
I will take a picture of it this evening.
Thanks,
Jeroen

I believe it is supposed to be on the inner structure of the hood, like somewhat near the hood hinge but I have two hoods here that I have scanned over (somewhat quickly) and not yet found the stamping(s). Hopefully somebody can clarify things better and we both find our date stamping. It is always possible the stampings are so lightly imprinted they were covered in paint/primer, therefore difficult to see...but OE hoods will certainly have them.

(Oh, and Jeroen...I haven't forgot you about those seat parts...been crazy at work, much overtime and not much "other" time in my day...even today, I go to work on my plow truck "FrankenDODGE", who needs more work to get through yet another winter)

Richard
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Re: Early 67 vs Late 67 production observations (Hoods & Radiator Support)
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2014, 10:41:11 AM »
No problem, Richard. Thanks for replying.
Can somebody confirm that the hood stamping is near the hood springs area?
And is it possible to find it (them?) when the hood is mounted on the hood springs?
Thanks,
Jeroen
San Jose 7R02C1708xx
Fastback GTA
built on 01/12/1967