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Title: Antenna Rattle
Post by: IndyFive-O on April 24, 2015, 10:20:31 PM
Has anyone come up with a way to stop the repop antenna's from rattling?

This thing is driving me crazy.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: carlite65 on April 24, 2015, 10:22:52 PM
only way i know of is to use nos antenna. i have found radio reception poor on the repops.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: J_Speegle on April 24, 2015, 11:28:45 PM
Take a pair of pliers and dent in the mast, squeezing the inner section.   :o

Likely will not extend  -  but it will stop rattling. Just another less than perfect reproduction
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: IndyFive-O on April 25, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
Take a pair of pliers and dent in the mast, squeezing the inner section.   :o

Likely will not extend  -  but it will stop rattling. Just another less than perfect reproduction

I would actually consider doing this since I don't extend it anyway. Wouldn't kinking it cause it to bend it that spot - make it weak?
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: J_Speegle on April 25, 2015, 11:12:07 PM
I would actually consider doing this since I don't extend it anyway. Wouldn't kinking it cause it to bend it that spot - make it weak?

If your really going to be forced into that extreme You might consider drilling a small hole and injecting some epoxy or another sealant that would isolate and insulate the middle shafts from the outer. But yes deforming the outer will cause a kink that would be very noticeable
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: IndyFive-O on April 26, 2015, 08:22:19 PM
Took a look at the antenna today and saw that it is rattling at the top of each section, where the above section enters.
I put a drop of clear glue where the rattle is and it stopped making noise. I am not sure how long it will last, and really don't care as I realize it's only temporary. I don't extend the antenna anyway and if I have to put a drop of glue on the antenna a few times a year, I will,  it's worth it not to hear that cheap sound rattle every time I close a door or the hood.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on August 17, 2015, 05:14:03 AM
Why is it so hard for the folks that make the repros make them so they don't rattle????? (stupid!)
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 17, 2015, 02:23:12 PM
Has anyone come up with a way to stop the repop antenna's from rattling?

This thing is driving me crazy.
Only sure fire way is to switch it out with a genuine one. Besides the obvious remark I have noticed some of the newer repros don't rattle as much as previous versions .But they still are more loose then genuine. I don't know the variety that I am seeing on various cars but if I were to guess I would guess it was a Drake one over the cheaper alternatives.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on September 15, 2015, 11:28:10 AM
I asked the Scott Drake folks on FaceBook if THEY had successfully made a rattle-free antenna, they replied that theirs was 99% rattle free......

I'm tempted to try one because I can't spend $500 for a NOS......
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: CharlesTurner on September 15, 2015, 03:32:11 PM
NOS antennas usually sell for $75-150 last time I looked, never seen one for more than $250.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 15, 2015, 06:27:45 PM
NOS antennas usually sell for $75-150 last time I looked, never seen one for more than $250.
I agree 500.00 is a price I haven't seen yet .With that said I typically see them in the 150-175.00 range . The problem is I have been looking for a couple months now and haven't found any even NOS ones at that or any price. Anyone see any let me know.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: midlife on September 15, 2015, 09:00:20 PM
I asked the Scott Drake folks on FaceBook if THEY had successfully made a rattle-free antenna, they replied that theirs was 99% rattle free......

I'm tempted to try one because I can't spend $500 for a NOS......
I'm tempted to say that you would end up with the one out of a hundred that does rattle... :P
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on September 17, 2015, 12:58:13 PM
Aren't the originals stuffed/packed with grease? seems I've heard that......

Is it possible to restore an original if one could be found?

Anyone try this?
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: CharlesTurner on September 17, 2015, 02:22:13 PM
The problem with restoring an original is the top ball cap is usually chrome plated.  IIRC, the rest of the antenna is stainless, so usually can be buffed out.  If the ball can be cut off and replaced with a new one, could probably be done.  Might be something to consider if the NOS supply is drying up.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Mike_B_SVT on September 17, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
The problem with restoring an original is the top ball cap is usually chrome plated.  IIRC, the rest of the antenna is stainless, so usually can be buffed out.  If the ball can be cut off and replaced with a new one, could probably be done.  Might be something to consider if the NOS supply is drying up.

The original antenna mast on my '70 Cougar seems to be chrome plated ~ it is starting to wear / flake off at the top of the main mast.  Maybe the inner masts were stainless though - i recall them having a bit different appearance, but haven't looked at them that closely.

As for the NOS prices and availability, the last few NOS cougar antennas ('69/'70) that I saw went for around $300 if they were auction style.  I did miss one with a buy now of $100.  Too slow :-/
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: IndyFive-O on January 31, 2016, 11:25:00 PM
Just an update......I put a couple drops of clear glue at each of the joints last April and it stopped the rattling completely. It lasted all summer and is still rattle free.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 31, 2016, 11:43:16 PM
I asked the Scott Drake folks on FaceBook if THEY had successfully made a rattle-free antenna, they replied that theirs was 99% rattle free......

I'm tempted to try one because I can't spend $500 for a NOS......
I just bought a new Scott Drake antenna and I am sorry to it rattles . 99% rattle free? Ether they don't know what they are talking about or the one I got is in that 1 percent category.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 196667Bob on February 01, 2016, 12:07:14 AM
Has anyone tried the heavy, clear electrical grease around the shafts ? Just a thought.

Bob
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 01, 2016, 12:47:35 AM
Has anyone tried the heavy, clear electrical grease around the shafts ? Just a thought.

Bob
Dielectric Grease dose not solve the problem. It is not heavy enough .I wish it did work.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on February 14, 2016, 05:19:30 PM
This shouldn't be such a problem. We have just got to figure out how the originals were done so we can try to fix the repros........

seems so simple.........
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: msoc28027 on March 02, 2016, 11:58:02 PM
Hang in there guys. A new USA 1964-68 rattle free antenna is almost done.  Will be available very soon. Should retail under 80.00.

Monroe
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: J_Speegle on March 03, 2016, 12:03:45 AM
Hang in there guys. A new USA 1964-68 rattle free antenna is almost done.  Will be available very soon. Should retail under 80.00.

Look forward to seeing and hearing the reviews

Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 03, 2016, 02:16:38 AM
Hang in there guys. A new USA 1964-68 rattle free antenna is almost done.  Will be available very soon. Should retail under 80.00.

Monroe
Monroe, 65/66 the same and 67/68 is a slightly different antenna. both styles look the same except that on 65/66 ,the section with the ball will not collapse all the way done against the next section . 67/68 the ball section will collapse all the down flush against the next section. The current repro is like the 65/66 style. I hope you will do the 67/68 type also . I would't think it would be too hard but on the other hand I am not the one making them.   
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Mike_B_SVT on March 03, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Dielectric Grease dose not solve the problem. It is not heavy enough .I wish it did work.

When I repaired my broken off original, it had a heavy brown grease inside it.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: WT8095 on March 03, 2016, 08:58:10 PM
When I repaired my broken off original, it had a heavy brown grease inside it.

Interesting! I didn't know about that. Here's the patent on the concept:
http://www.google.co.ve/patents/US2152316 (http://www.google.co.ve/patents/US2152316)

Where there's patents, there are lawsuits:
http://www.leagle.com/decision/194042935FSupp394_1324/WARD%20PRODUCTS%20CORPORATION%20v.%20FINKEL (http://www.leagle.com/decision/194042935FSupp394_1324/WARD%20PRODUCTS%20CORPORATION%20v.%20FINKEL)
[Ward made antennas for Ford]

Related patents:
https://www.google.com/patents/US2217188 (https://www.google.com/patents/US2217188)
https://www.google.com/patents/US3419876 (https://www.google.com/patents/US3419876)
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Mike_B_SVT on March 04, 2016, 04:15:14 PM
Interesting! I didn't know about that. Here's the patent on the concept:
http://www.google.co.ve/patents/US2152316 (http://www.google.co.ve/patents/US2152316)

That was an interesting read.  Apparently antenna rattle is / was an age old problem!

Unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the internal grease (who knew that might be of interest?), but I did snap a pic of my repair process.  My antenna had been snapped off just above the internal connection "nubbin".  So I cut off the crimped section of the mast and peeled the remains of the mast tube off of the base.  Cleaned up the mating surfaces a bit, then simply pushed the mast down onto the base again.
Bottom mast section is probably 2-3" shorter now, but the rest of it appears original - for better or for worse!  Eventually I'll replace it with a repro or nice original, but for now there are other bugetary requirements :-)

(http://i.imgur.com/FgFbgjnl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UXDLuAGl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EdhHhZsl.jpg)
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on March 20, 2016, 10:01:14 AM
Hang in there guys. A new USA 1964-68 rattle free antenna is almost done.  Will be available very soon. Should retail under 80.00.

Monroe

Monroe, You are a newcomer to our site, I'm curious as to if YOU are the maker or possibly a current manufacturer has stepped up to do what others won't? or can't.......and are you saying that this new rattle free antenna IS being made in the USA??  IF so that's GREAT!!  I'll be more than glad to spend that to get a QUALITY, RATTLE-FREE antenna for my '65!!
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on March 25, 2016, 09:38:02 PM
Hang in there guys. A new USA 1964-68 rattle free antenna is almost done.  Will be available very soon. Should retail under 80.00.

Monroe

Does anyone personally know Monroe? seems he just stepped in and laid this on us and then left, despite all of our comments......
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: WT8095 on March 25, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
A google search comes up with ebay seller "msoc28027" = Mustang Shop of Concord (North Carolina).

http://mustangshopofconcord.com (http://mustangshopofconcord.com)

The website doesn't list any names, but an Instagram profile indicates Monroe Weathers is the owner.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on March 26, 2016, 02:31:49 AM
Monroe is a long time car guy. He was on the west coast for decades and has moved back east I recent years. He used to have the largest collection of 67 Shelby wooden steering wheels I have ever heard of. A good guy in my book.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 67gtasanjose on March 26, 2016, 08:53:07 AM
I just bought a few items from Monroe last week. He claims to be working some with Daniel Carpenter to get a few other Mustang things together. Our transaction took a little time to complete (a very busy man these days) but I would vouch for him as creditable using my experience.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on March 27, 2016, 07:00:22 PM
OK, Thanks guys! This is good to hear.

I actually spoke with someone at Carpenter a few years back and they implied that THEIR antenna WAS rattle free.....but WAS it THEIR antenna? I have no idea
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: msoc28027 on March 31, 2016, 12:00:36 AM
  Sorry for taking time to get back. I work nearly seven days a week.  I have been selling NOS parts since 1981 and restoring mainly mustang just as long.  Yes I own Mustang Shop of Concord and Classic and Muscle Car Restorations in Concord, N.C.
  I also have been friends with Daniel Carpenter here in Concord for over 30 plus years and have been a driving force for a lot of the concourse quality parts he has been making for many years.
  I inspect and test most of the classic mustang parts being made. I am constantly advising him on what new parts he should make. 

The antenna is almost done and should be available shortly..

Please feel free to let me know what should be considered to make in the future.

Monroe
Mustang Shop of Concord
(704 723-4842
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Brian Conway on April 03, 2016, 11:29:00 AM
Thanks for the offer Monroe.  That's very generous of you.  I recently had some experience with a Carpenter part that needs some corrections.  If you have the time; search ' Ford Tooling Shaker Seal ' in the 69-70 section.  Thanks,  Brian
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on October 29, 2016, 09:19:35 PM
 Monroe, Curious now if you have been able to produce the rattle free mast for '65-'66 or if I could purchase an NOS mast from you. Thanks!
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 67gtasanjose on October 29, 2016, 10:01:13 PM
Monroe, Curious now if you have been able to produce the rattle free mast for '65-'66 or if I could purchase an NOS mast from you. Thanks!

Hopefully, Daniel Carpenter will get this finished. We've heard some sad news about Monroe's passing a little while back.  :'(
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on October 30, 2016, 07:31:20 AM
Oh Wow! Had not heard about Monroe's passing-been away for a while.

RIP Monroe, Thank You for all you did for the Mustang hobby.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: NEFaurora on November 20, 2016, 10:09:28 AM

I know this may sound stupid, But has anyone even tried coating with Vegetable Cooking Oil??  That stuff congeals after awhile and gets really hard, yet is still removable if need be..

Just a thought.. and I know this because I repair/restore old Edison Phonographs, and some people used to use Vegetable Cooking Oil back in the day to lubricate parts and gears not knowing when they should have used Sewing Machine Oil...and the gears and works get all gummy so they can't move!

Just a thought....Something to try..

:o)

Tony K.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on November 27, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Guys, I spoke to a rep at DENNIS Carpenter's booth at The Daytona Turkey Run yesterday and asked him about antennas, this particular man didn't seem the least bit interested in MY delema but DID show me a listing for a $67.00 Reproduction antenna in their FALCON/FAIRLANE catalog.......He went on to tell me that a guy whos name begins with an "O" (I've forgotten the name) MADE these antennas "right outside my office door" right in Concord, NC........I asked him if THAT antenna was rattle free and thats when he started to care even less.......

He told me to call the regular (NOT 800) number and make an inquiry, that the folks were very customer service friendly........

I intend to do this on Monday and flat out ask them...........

I believe that the antenna used on the Falcons & Fairlanes is the same exact one used on '65-'66 Mustangs...........

I know I'd be more than willing to pay $67.00 for a QUALITY antenna that was rattle free and in fact made in the USA!!

http://dennis-carpenter.com/radio-antenna-falcon-%26-comet/p/C4DZ-18813-A/
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on November 27, 2016, 04:02:00 PM
Hang in there guys. A new USA 1964-68 rattle free antenna is almost done.  Will be available very soon. Should retail under 80.00.

Monroe

I just linked the Dennis Carpenter reproduction antenna that retails for $67.50......is it possible that this is Monroe's antenna?  The guys at the DC booth again told me they were made right in NC......really wonder if Monroe was working with DC on these??  anyone know??
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 27, 2016, 10:40:11 PM
I just linked the Dennis Carpenter reproduction antenna that retails for $67.50......is it possible that this is Monroe's antenna?  The guys at the DC booth again told me they were made right in NC......really wonder if Monroe was working with DC on these??  anyone know??
Yes , I saw Daniel Carpenter (not Dennis) and Monroe together at Ford Carlisle where he was describing the process he was trying to get Daniel to do. I do not know how far Daniel is with the change . I hope he is still planing on the change.   
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on November 28, 2016, 08:36:09 AM
I find it quite interesting that DENNIS Carpenter has a PRINTED catalog showing the antenna to be "out of stock"   I'm sadly starting to believe that Monroe's changes to production technique went to the grave with him......

Sooooo, A GREAT man like Monroe passes away, he has thousands of parts, and things in the works, what happened to it all? anyone know?

The folks in NC seem to be a close-knit group, surely someone has to know whats going on........

Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Scott302 on November 28, 2016, 11:12:15 AM
I just talked with Daniel Carpenter.  The Mustang round base antenna is almost ready.  Pricing is not yet set nor are samples available for evaluation.  I'll post more when I receive a part to look at.
Regards,
Scott
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on November 28, 2016, 12:00:44 PM
Thank You Scott!!  This is GREAT News!!  I for one really appreciate all your hard work!!
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: IndyFive-O on December 03, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
Took a look at the antenna today and saw that it is rattling at the top of each section, where the above section enters.
I put a drop of clear glue where the rattle is and it stopped making noise. I am not sure how long it will last, and really don't care as I realize it's only temporary. I don't extend the antenna anyway and if I have to put a drop of glue on the antenna a few times a year, I will,  it's worth it not to hear that cheap sound rattle every time I close a door or the hood.

Over a year later and this is still keeping my antenna rattle free.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on December 05, 2016, 08:36:49 AM
Well, Then I'm going to clean mine up well and put a couple of drops of (guessing) Super Glue to the mast where you did.

I'm sure that the new antenna will not be ready in the next 4 weeks.......and I'm attending a show in January.......

Geeze.....people made quality antennas way back in the 50s & 60s that didn't rattle, why is it so hard to do now????
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: CharlesTurner on December 05, 2016, 12:07:57 PM
Sooooo, A GREAT man like Monroe passes away, he has thousands of parts, and things in the works, what happened to it all? anyone know?

The folks in NC seem to be a close-knit group, surely someone has to know whats going on........

Everything from his shop is being liquidated.  There are a couple big parts dealers that had first access.  I was given permission to go and look, but I did not go.  At this point, I can't imagine there being much left.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on December 07, 2016, 10:39:23 AM
So sad in Monroe's passing.......I sure hope that The Daniel Carpenter folks do the right thing and produce a QUALITY reproduction antenna that doesn't rattle!
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: DKutz on December 07, 2016, 05:50:53 PM
My Repop does not rattle, but the reception is less than great.  Hmmm.


Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 07, 2016, 06:01:37 PM
My Repop does not rattle, but the reception is less than great.  Hmmm.
Make sure the antenna reception trim screw is adjusted properly. If not weak AM stations will not come in as well as possible.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on December 26, 2016, 06:25:56 PM
My Repop does not rattle, but the reception is less than great.  Hmmm.

Mind sharing the brand/manufacturer?
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Anghelrestorations on December 27, 2016, 01:41:01 AM

I talked to Monroe about this before he passed away, and just like we are saying here the plan was to put some type of grease inside the antenna sections to prevent the rattling.  If I remember correct he said the originals had something like this. 
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on December 27, 2016, 12:04:35 PM
Thanks Marcus!  That seems evedent-that some sort of grease needs to be put in DURING the manufacturing process......

I think Monroe (RIP) was trying to re-invent the wheel that was created way back in the 50s or even earlier....by making an antenna that doesn't rattle......thats sad to me in that whomever is/was making the repros skipped the step of packing grease in them............

Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on December 27, 2016, 12:06:21 PM
My Repop does not rattle, but the reception is less than great.  Hmmm.

Would you mind sharing the brand and/or manufacturer of your reproduction antenna please?
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Building 3 on December 27, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
When I worked at the neighborhood gas station in the early 1970's the owner told us to grease the antennas of the cars that came in for a LOF (Lube Oil Filter.) We would put grease on the shafts and then move them up and down and then wipe off the excess. This was probably more for ease of movement of the shaft sections rather than anti-rattle, but it may have helped the rattle situation too.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on December 28, 2016, 10:12:59 AM
I found this yesterday......

Price increased by $20, which isn't bad for a 100% RATTLE FREE ANTENNA, if in fact it is;

 http://dennis-carpenter.com/radio-antenna-falcon-%26-comet/p/C4DZ-18813-A/
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 28, 2016, 06:06:35 PM
I found this yesterday......

Price increased by $20, which isn't bad for a 100% RATTLE FREE ANTENNA, if in fact it is;

 http://dennis-carpenter.com/radio-antenna-falcon-%26-comet/p/C4DZ-18813-A/
Application posted are for    Fairlane , Falcon and Comet.  It looks similar the the Mustang in the picture despite the apparent different part number. It is hard to tell if it is longer and if base is the same from the picture. I suspect if it was correct for Mustang that they would not miss a opportunity to advertise it as such . It doesn't say anything about being a improved rattle free version.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on December 29, 2016, 10:41:55 AM
Application posted are for    Fairlane , Falcon and Comet.  It looks similar the the Mustang in the picture despite the apparent different part number. It is hard to tell if it is longer and if base is the same from the picture. I suspect if it was correct for Mustang that they would not miss a opportunity to advertise it as such . It doesn't say anything about being a improved rattle free version.

From my understanding DENNIS Carpenter does the Falcon, Fairlane, etc.....while DANIEL Carpenter does Mustang parts, my understanding is that they are Brothers....

I choose to believe that the previous reproduction antennas were/are made overseas, and the quality shows that, while I choose to believe that the Carpenter folks indeed make THEIR antennas in NC, USA.

I am looking forward to getting the antenna from the Carpenters and giving it a whirl........I sure don't mind paying $90 bucks for a QUALITY, RATTLE-FREE antenna, when the NOS ones are getting down right expensive.

Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 29, 2016, 11:46:12 AM
From my understanding DENNIS Carpenter does the Falcon, Fairlane, etc.....while DANIEL Carpenter does Mustang parts, my understanding is that they are Brothers....

I choose to believe that the previous reproduction antennas were/are made overseas, and the quality shows that, while I choose to believe that the Carpenter folks indeed make THEIR antennas in NC, USA.

I am looking forward to getting the antenna from the Carpenters and giving it a whirl........I sure don't mind paying $90 bucks for a QUALITY, RATTLE-FREE antenna, when the NOS ones are getting down right expensive.
Yes the carpenters are brothers. It was Danial and Monroe who talked to me about the antenna rattle solution as I mentioned in a previous post . Just curious since I didn't see anything about a new and improved rattle free version are you basing your judgement solely on the price and assuming it is improved or have you got the information another way?  Also you should know that if you are basing your decision strictly by the picture you will be disappointed because the one in the picture most closely resembles a 67/68 antenna. Don't get me wrong we need a 67/68 version too .It has not been available in reproduction before .The top section does not collapse down flush to the second section on a  65/66 antenna . The top section collapses down flush to the second section on the 67/68 antenna.Keep us posted when you get your antenna if one it is rattle free and two if this Falcon ,Fairlane ,Comet C4 antenna is the same as the Mustang C5 antenna in appearance and if it is the 65/6 version or the 67/68 version like in the picture.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: CharlesTurner on December 29, 2016, 12:37:39 PM
Daniel is Dennis Carpenter's son.

http://dennis-carpenter.com/dannystory/a/11/
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 29, 2016, 02:52:28 PM
Daniel is Dennis Carpenter's son.

http://dennis-carpenter.com/dannystory/a/11/
Thanks. Makes more sense.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: J_Speegle on December 29, 2016, 02:59:57 PM
Yes Daniel sort of took what his dad had been doing for years and they applied it to the 50-60's vehicles. Can't remember if it was the Carpenter's that originally were using all the injection molding to make all the light plastic stuff (glasses, tubs, bedpans ....) you see in a hospital room and took that access and knowledge and started reproducing parts. Was them or another of the early Ford and Model A guys back in the 70's.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: CharlesTurner on December 29, 2016, 04:09:14 PM
The link I provided gives some background/history.  Doesn't appear they had anything to do with hospital stuff.

Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: J_Speegle on December 29, 2016, 04:51:17 PM
The link I provided gives some background/history.  Doesn't appear they had anything to do with hospital stuff.

Just my recall that one of the two early reproducers of parts had that connection from conversations at the time between my father and one of the two families. Could have been the Drake family
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on July 31, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
So Guys, Does anyone have any new info on the antennas?

Way back in November.December of 2016 Scott at NPD sent me a Scott Drake Antenna to try-it rattled as bad as the one that is on my car, so I sent it back.

 Thanks for this Scott Halseth!!

The folks at Dennis Carpenter sent me one of theirs (when it came it was CLEARLY much older than anything that Monroe would have had his hands on to fix/pack with grease) it too rattled and as I recall there was a flaw in the chrome bezel that was quite noticeable, so all things considered I didn't install it and sent it back as well.

I've heard nothing since.......hope I didn't make anyone mad........
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on July 31, 2017, 04:53:05 PM
I inspected a fresh out of the bag new Scott Drake antenna yesterday that a local shop was installing and noted that the rattle is not as pronounced as others I have seen but still noticeably more then a 50 year old Ford unit. Also I noticed a slight bevel at the end on each mast section compared to the more crisp edge of the genuine. For those familiar with hipo aircleaner  details the profile difference is comparable to the difference between repro hipo aircleaner profile and genuine profile. FYI they still only offer the 65/66 style mast and expect you to also use it on 67/68. It is a small difference (how far the mast will collapse) but one easily detectable from 30 feet away.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on August 02, 2017, 01:31:59 PM
Yes, I have seen the Scott Drake unit. It looks great to me, rather they make it themselves in the USA as Carpenter states theirs is I don't know......

Carpenter is selling theirs now for $90, and I wouldn't have any problem paying that for a quality, rattle-free antenna since the NOS units are either gone or through the roof in pricing......
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 02, 2017, 02:21:06 PM
Yes, I have seen the Scott Drake unit. It looks great to me, rather they make it themselves in the USA as Carpenter states theirs is I don't know......

Carpenter is selling theirs now for $90, and I wouldn't have any problem paying that for a quality, rattle-free antenna since the NOS units are either gone or through the roof in pricing......
Are you saying the the Carpenter antenna you received recently that cost 90.00 still rattled?
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on August 03, 2017, 04:05:25 PM
No, The one I received here about 8-9 months ago from Carpenter was a unit that the package was dated 2014 as I recall (I wish I'd taken a picture of the date stamp)  It was clearly one that had sat on a shelf SINCE 2014 and obviously NOT a "current" one or one that Monroe had a hand in........

I sure don't want to break bad on anyone guys, just would like to have a quality RATTLE-FREE antenna for my car.....

Somewhere someone posted a blueprint of ORIGINAL mast-style antennas (most likely NOT Ford) and how they were made way back in the 50s until they stopped making the telescoping mast style units.......I have NO idea as to how to do it, but the various manufacturers did back then, I cannot understand why it can't be done relitively easy now.....
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: NEFaurora on November 24, 2017, 08:40:01 AM

Has there been any update to this???  Has anyone yet bought the new Carpenter one for $90 and tried it yet???!!???

:o)

Tony K.
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bossbill on January 06, 2018, 02:06:20 PM
Goodmark has one listed and from the pictures it appears to collapse completely.

Anyone have access to one of these?
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on October 13, 2018, 10:42:17 AM
 Update; 10/13/18; I emailed Carpenter about the antenna. I received a reply that "We make the antenna and is should be rattle free"
 I asked if he could personally open the box and inspect the antenna for me to make sure it didn't rattle before I order one and pay the $90 for it.
 Waiting for reply now...…
 I'm not going to spend MY $ BEFORE I get confirmation.....
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: 5F08KGT on October 25, 2018, 12:33:39 PM
Update; 10/13/18; I emailed Carpenter about the antenna. I received a reply that "We make the antenna and is should be rattle free"
 I asked if he could personally open the box and inspect the antenna for me to make sure it didn't rattle before I order one and pay the $90 for it.
 Waiting for reply now...…
 I'm not going to spend MY $ BEFORE I get confirmation.....

 10/25/18; Still no reply/conformation from them on my question...…..
Title: Re: Antenna Rattle
Post by: Bossbill on October 27, 2018, 03:28:31 PM
I experimented with this before I bit the bullet and bought a NOS version that collapses all the way (ball touches next lower mast section).

I do believe there is grease inside of the original mast. I checked around for something I could get into the mast without drilling. I then checked the melting temperature of Vaseline and found it melts at just about 100 deg F.

 There is a very small amount of room where each section joins the next. I created some cone shaped dams around the top of each section. The cones must be able to withstand around 120* F.
I heated the antenna with an infrared heater that was arranged vertically and used an infrared thermometer to check its temperature.
I then melted some Vaseline. I did find that if you don't watch Vaseline carefully it will ignite with flames over a foot tall.

WARNING!
VASELINE IS VERY FLAMMABLE!
HEAT THE VASELINE OUTSIDE!
Do not allow it to get much over 100 deg.
DO NOT GET IT NEAR OR ON YOUR HEATER!
You have been warned.

Pour the hot Vaseline into the cones and allow it to seep into the mast sections

I do understand some of you live where 100+ is a summer temperature. However, the Vaseline does not appear to leak out of a mast in the down position.

This was a dangerous task. Do it outside. Have an extinguisher handy. Wear cotton clothes and don't get this stuff on you.

But it did reduce the rattle.