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Title: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 06, 2017, 07:38:07 AM
Hey Guys,

Just painted my 68 over the last few days.  I'm pretty happy with the results.  I've been looking at the site and finding so much good information it's overwhelming!  Hope you enjoy the pics...

Cheers
Dave

PS:  My car is a 68 GT Fastback, Highland Green, S-Code, 4spd, and a Dearborn car (yes, I know....Red Oxide....but it looks better than black! ;-) )
Title: Re: Painted my 68!
Post by: 1966KGT on November 06, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
Nice job a12!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Painted my 68!
Post by: ruppstang on November 06, 2017, 08:51:41 AM
Very nice! Now the real fun begins.
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: ExportMach on November 06, 2017, 07:27:45 PM
Dave
What did you use to create the unpainted jig circles on the bottom of the frame?
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on November 06, 2017, 08:03:30 PM
A couple of things I feel need to be mentioned  before you get further along :)

Remember that the rear wheel well sound deadener was applied before the body color was applied

Floor pan plugs were not installed when the body was painted

Rear valance was attached along the taillight panel when car was painted body color so all the top screws were painted

Guess you painting things backwards a bit. Since the pictures show the interior panels not yet painted. Don't forget the defroster black outs and the door mask details ;)

Like to ask. Was that the paint mark on the battery box/inner fender you found on the car during disassembly?

Making progress... now the fun starts assembling your beauty

Because of the low contrast between the exterior color and the black its hard to make out the pinch weld black out and where the body color and black are applied in the front wheel wells. Did a Black Jade 69 a few years back and had problems getting good detail pictures to show on the site because of the low contrast.  Looking at picture #4 Looks like you've not done the pinch welds yet. 
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: rodster on November 06, 2017, 10:37:12 PM
Beautiful A12!

Jeff and all of the very knowledgeable folks here will be able to help you get it as correct as you desire.

Good luck and keep us updated with more pictures.  We love pictures!  :)
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 07, 2017, 09:25:11 PM
Thanks guys!   

Jeff,  believe it or not,  most of what you said I already knew due to this site,  and what my car shows me,  but decided to do a bit differently.  I have reasons for that and will explain more tomorrow.   I'm away from home but will return tomorrow with more pics and details.  But yes... the 610 on the lower radiator crossmember and the circle with the slash was on my car.  Pics to follow.  The 610 was not under the black,  neither was the battery tray marking,  but that was under the sound deadener.  More tomorrow.....

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on November 07, 2017, 10:14:25 PM
Jeff,  believe it or not,  most of what you said I already knew due to this site,  and what my car shows me,  but decided to do a bit differently.  I have reasons for that and will explain more tomorrow.

You don't owe is an explanation. Its your car and choices. But I feel compelled when pictures are posted here that differences be pointed out or others will assume and copy details just because they are posted  here

 
But yes... the 610 on the lower radiator crossmember and the circle with the slash was on my car.  Pics to follow.  The 610 was not under the black,  neither was the battery tray marking,  but that was under the sound deadener.  More tomorrow.....


Expected both of these marks to be after paint. The second rotation I've seen applied in two different colors. The battery box one I found interesting and that was the reason I asked and I think it might be a partial marking of what might have been there originally if they followed the pattern we see on other 67 & 8 Dearborn S code examples

Just different so thought I would ask  :)
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 08, 2017, 08:34:33 AM
Mark C....for the prepaint frame markings,  I used vinyl letter Os and found a font that was a perfect circle.  I applied that to the frame,  then shot a little primer on it.  Pull away the sticker,  and you have a prepaint spot!  8)  I should have done this before the red oxide was sprayed, but i forgot,  so i added it later.

Jeff...I know you don't need an explanation,  but I like giving them. ;D  And I 100% agree with you.  You know how the internet is now.   If it's on there somewhere,  it's gotta be true!  Oh, and I found another marking on the radiator support on the outside of where the voltage regulator was.  A large yellow "X".  I didn't replicate that since it was under the black.  But the other two were not unless the black was sprayed so thin in those areas that it was easily worn away by wind :P.  I'll post up those pics later today.

And I did paint the pinch weld blackout... :).... with a brush... which was what my car looked like out had done.  But I was way neater than original :o. Should it also have been sprayed with a little undercarriage overspray too?  Mine was pretty worn off, but by the fender area you can clearly see it was a brush.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 08, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
Here's the markings on my car before I painted it.  So Jeff.... what's the 610 mean?  And is the battery tray marking consistent with others?  Signifigance of it?  ???

The pinch weld blackout,  as you can see, very sloppy with drips and runs.  Also look under that fender edge.... looks like brush strokes?

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on November 08, 2017, 07:15:44 PM
Here's the markings on my car before I painted it.  So Jeff.... what's the 610 mean?  And is the battery tray marking consistent with others?  Signifigance of it?  ???

Referred to by many (including me) as the second rotation number. The first one was assigned to the body for the first part of the car/bodies assembly. On cars with buck tags its found stamped at the top of the tag. For the second part of assembly cars/bodies were assigned a number number since they were arranged in a different order based on how they were equipped. That number was written on the unibody in one or two places, listed in the upper left hand corner of every buildsheet related to that specific car  and at some plants and years the number was applied to individual parts or sub assemblies so that the right parts ended up on the right car

The pinch weld blackout,  as you can see, very sloppy with drips and runs.  Also look under that fender edge.... looks like brush strokes?

Looks like sprayed. The under the fender section looks like where the metal has reacted over the years and flaked the paint off since its showing a silver chalky finish rather than brush marks over the body color there. Also if brushed you would not have the runs and build up from a close spray application of black on the torque box area.  Since the car was sitting as it would when driven there is not logical way the brush application would hAve gotten as far back as the black is if they were repairing a missed/overlooked pinchweld later down the line IMHO.

What we're seeing is very typical of the normal spray application. Would also expect the pinch weld black out on the bottom of the rocker would be more defined on a brush application along the outer edge rather than the fading away form age and wear we see in your picture
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 08, 2017, 09:10:24 PM
Jeff,

Here's my body buck tag.   Looks like my car was part of the "recycling" campaign back then since it's a Mercury tag ;D

No 610 on it.  I have my Buildsheet but only half of it,  so the part with that number in it is the part missing I'm assuming. I need to send all this to Marti and have a new one made.

Cheers
Dave

Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on November 08, 2017, 10:10:57 PM
Yes it looks like 409 was your car's first rotation number   ;)
Cool that you got on of the repurposed door tag blank. Have found a few - just not many
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: rodster on November 08, 2017, 10:58:10 PM
Good stuff! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: 67gtasanjose on November 09, 2017, 06:52:54 AM
...Here's my body buck tag....

No 610 on it.  I have my Buildsheet but only half of it,  so the part with that number in it is the part missing...
Yes it looks like 409 was your car's first rotation number   ;) ...

That is cool you have BOTH rotation numbers! My 67 SJ the most I have been able to find is a "64" on the fuse box (last two digits of the 3-digit 2nd rotation number)...I've had my eyes peeled for more info back when I took it apart and along the way of searching backs of original door panels, instrument cluster and such to no avail! I am hoping to one day stumble onto the first digit of the 3. I know it isn't a requirement to have it but it is nice to find them ;)

Back to the "D" found in A12pilot's original pictures, no discussion on his reproduction of the marking? I think there has been mention in other threads that a "D" is often found at that location...
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback - Nov 67 Built
Post by: A12pilot on November 09, 2017, 08:38:06 AM
Wow!  So I know both rotation numbers?   Sweet deal!  Ok... so that battery area marking..... that's supposedly,  or commonly,  a "D"?  I tried to replicate what I saw and don't mind redoing it (solvent will take that off)  so i can make it right.   It almost looks like a "B" as well......

This is awesome stuff man!   Love all the input.  I'm schooled on Mopars but not the Mustangs, but like my A12 Super Bee which has a site dedicated specifically for them and very detailed,  this site has been a great asset so far!

Jeff.... on the sound deadener thing.   I guess I just don't like that look of bodycolor in the wheel wells, even though correct.  My car had it sprayed on the entire undercarriage and gastank too.  My plan is once the fenders are on, spray the stuff in the rear wheel wells,  inner fender areas,  firewall around the heater area and brake booster area as well as the inner frame rails where they meet the firewall and all along the trans tunnel. I'm debating on doing the gastank.  Again...a preference thing but we'll see.  I'd like it to be correct as I can but a little artistic leeway to make things a little neater than original.   But like my Super Bee.... things done differently are NEVER advertised as being correct.  ;D

Keep the info coming.  I've been pretty good at using the search function too, but sometimes it's best to just come out and ask.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: ruppstang on November 09, 2017, 09:29:04 AM
Jeff,

Here's my body buck tag.   Looks like my car was part of the "recycling" campaign back then since it's a Mercury tag ;D

No 610 on it.  I have my Buildsheet but only half of it,  so the part with that number in it is the part missing I'm assuming. I need to send all this to Marti and have a new one made.

Cheers
Dave
That is cool. I have also seen those large tags reused for Mustang door tags.
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on November 09, 2017, 05:50:31 PM

Jeff.... on the sound deadener thing.   I guess I just don't like that look of bodycolor in the wheel wells, even though correct.  My car had it sprayed on the entire undercarriage and gastank too.  My plan is once the fenders are on, spray the stuff in the rear wheel wells,  inner fender areas,  firewall around the heater area and brake booster area as well as the inner frame rails where they meet the firewall and all along the trans tunnel. I'm debating on doing the gastank. ............................

Likely it was undercoated by the dealer or by the first owner. Today its frowned upon since many assume that if your covering surfaces your possibly hiding poor repairs, problems or workmanship. Also many figure if you did a nice full restoration then you would be proud to show off the condition not hide it but your choice.  I have a driver that I didn't  touch on the undercarriage when I did it. Just focused on what others would see at a local show and didn't want to spend the time to strip all of the undercoating off.

Wow!  So I know both rotation numbers?   Sweet deal!  Ok... so that battery area marking..... that's supposedly,  or commonly,  a "D"?  I tried to replicate what I saw and don't mind redoing it (solvent will take that off)  so i can make it right.   It almost looks like a "B" as well......

Does this happen to be a later 68 car?  Just asking

The "D" is a commonly found marking in that location and the radiator support from the San Jose plant. Not so much in my experience at Dearborn, why I asked, but it has been seen with and without a line through it during 67-70 production. Often, like what you showed, we get parts and sections of markings  then try and figure out what the complete marking may have been.

Have not figured out what the "D" indicated at any of the plants. In that same location we often find an "8" in that location at Dearborn starting in 67 and also a version with a line through it.  Thought you might have found the bottom of that number  but would not expect to find an "8" on your car but instead a letter identifying the engine size. Its all about where and when the car was built

All good, just asking as we see things and you share them, to either support, confirm or take us possibly in a new direction.

Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 12, 2017, 05:41:45 PM
Sorry for the delay, Jeff.  It's a November car,  sold first week of January.  I have the large,  recessed quarter panel markers too.  Lots of dates stamped on parts like the pedal hangers,  wiper motor,  motor mount markings, etc.  I'll post up what I found so it can be added.

I'm starting to cut and buff then will start into more reassembly.  On the rear valance....i didn't paint it on the car since my rotisserie mounts are in the way.  But when I do paint it,  it will be painted as if it were hanging like its supposed to.... and overspray on the backside.   Screws painted too, afterwards 8)

Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 25, 2017, 08:51:36 PM
Found a few markings on my toploader after some cleaning.  Found a few on the rear 3rd member too I'll post up later.  Any idea on these?  Original color of the markings?  Consistent with others?

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on November 26, 2017, 02:25:27 AM
Found a few markings on my toploader after some cleaning.  Found a few on the rear 3rd member too I'll post up later.  Any idea on these?  Original color of the markings?  Consistent with others?

Pretty consistent with other top loaders from the period IMHO. Sometimes you find color other times just the stain or lack of surface rust within the writing. Should find even more on the drivers side. Stamp on the lower rear, mark between the mounting ears on the flange. Stamp number above the shift studs.

Also check around the speedo attachment point on the tail shaft  ;)

All related to one of the assemblers, inspections, identifiers or checks the transmission went through as it was built at the transmission plant.


What looks like a - 2 on the passenger side was possibly done in yellow (Sort of school bus yellow) or a pale blue.  Do have one example with the line or - was white in color


Have seen the X a slightly lighter than medium blue (similar to what I have shown as Dark Blue in the article in the Library) or a bit lighter.


While we're at it do not copy or borrow fonts and ideas from "restored" examples you will see on the web or magazines. The stamp for the drivers side has been incorrectly reproduced for years on many different types of top loaders using the stencil font. It original wasn't.   If you go that far lets talk and see if I can help

Have almost 600 paint mark examples just from manual transmissions in my data base so looked through the same and similar ones from 68 to glean some info for you. 
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: ruppstang on November 26, 2017, 10:02:17 AM
I finally found the picture of this December 68 Shelby. It appears to have a double stamp on a recycled door tag. 
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on November 26, 2017, 02:45:14 PM
Great,  Jeff.  I'll start on the other side and see what i can find.   Nope....I won't recreate markings that aren't on my car.  I only put the ones I found on my 69 Super Bee when I redid that one,  and will only put the ones I see back on my car.  Nice to see the other examples though.   Thanks for the help.

Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on November 27, 2017, 02:49:23 PM
I finally found the picture of this December 68 Shelby. It appears to have a double stamp on a recycled door tag.

Looks like the dealer never broke off the lower section that was designed to be used as as part of the temporary warranty card in the glove box. Have a number of these and they seem to be mostly (if I recall correctly) 68s
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on December 02, 2017, 09:20:38 AM
Jeff,

Doesn't the trans number look like a "5" then a "-" followed by maybe a "2"?  I definitely see the top part of a "5" above the fill plug.   

Mounted up some front end parts.  Mainly for a move to my other shop since we're moving soon and I sold my shop.   Yes...i know the hood has to come off for the engine installation, but there's less chance of damage to it on the car than there is if it's sitting around the shop.

And before everyone jumps all over me and freaks out about my engine service decal location,  that's where it was on my car!  :D ;D You know I'm all joking about freaking out, of course.   :o. I'll post up a photo later (it's in the home computer)  8)

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: J_Speegle on December 02, 2017, 02:01:52 PM
Jeff,
Doesn't the trans number look like a "5" then a "-" followed by maybe a "2"?  I definitely see the top part of a "5" above the fill plug.   

Since I can only see it from one angle (the one or two in the pictures) and you see it in person you would be a much judge as to what is there
 

And before everyone jumps all over me and freaks out about my engine service decal location,  that's where it was on my car!  :D ;D You know I'm all joking about freaking out, of course.   :o. I'll post up a photo later (it's in the home computer)  8)

The position is not unusual since you have a Dearborn car though I don't believe you have posted when your car was built (so I could offer comparisons from same time period) the location is just different from cars built elsewhere and that is what makes them different. At least one fo these cars is featured in it's own thread here on the site as a nice unrestored example.  A few examples from through the year 


8F01S1064xx

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-021217125852.jpeg)

8F01C134xxx

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-021217125818.jpeg)


8F01T1822xx

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-021217125905.jpeg)


8F01R196xx

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-021217125837.jpeg)

Title: Re: Painted my 68 S code Dearborn Fastback !
Post by: A12pilot on December 02, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
Gotcha,  Jeff.  Yes, I already posted my car's build info.  Built late December and my deck is in the same position.   That's for the references!  Very cool!

As you said.... more trans markings on the other side and yes,  those other markings are blue.  These are yellow. Transmission mount has a big brown slash on the front metal portion of the mount too.

Cheers
Dave