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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: Bossbill on January 12, 2018, 11:33:58 PM
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After reading the fuel sender thread (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=13744.0) it occurred to me that Gaffer Tape is used in other locations, other than to hold down the fuel sender wire in the trunk.
On my 67 (Deluxe/Fastback) it is also used on the sills -- both sides -- to keep the wiring in place before the sill plates were installed.
Since we have to buy a roll of Gaffer anyway (2"?), do we know of other locations where this tape was used?
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Bill,
Have you got a set of the Mustang Assembly Manuals for your car? The use of tape is documented there.
Jim
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Off the top of my head the only addition spot I can think and the only location where the tape will be seen would be over the taillight buckets bulb hole. Its thought that this was done at the supplier so that nothing would fall into the taillight light.
Not sure they were all 2" wide. Have measured the 67 applications
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what kind of tape was used to hold the capillary tube on the A/C evaporator case?
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what kind of tape was used to hold the capillary tube on the A/C evaporator case?
Looks a lot like what was used at the door sill channel. A picture (below) of my unit before restoring has a shadow of what size/length was used there.
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Gaffers tape was used under the door sill plates, it covers the hole at the base of the rear door pillars, it wrapped over the rear torque box pinch weld under the rear seat, it held down the fuel sender wiring in the trunk, it covered the tail light housing and hood signal housing holes, it was used on the evaporator case, it sealed the bottom of the instrument cluster, it held the steering column wiring to the column, it was used to cover holes under the door panel and was used to secure the console and AT wiring to the hump on the floor.
I probably missed some but as you can see it was used through out the car.
Marty
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A word of caution, the tape used on my 66 San Jose Mustangs was (very) dark gray on the "sticky" side, the same color as the exposed side. Gaffer's tape may be white on the "sticky" side. I don't know what the color was on the "sticky" side for 67 on applications.
(Gaffer's tape is currently used to hold down the cabling of musical groups to the stage to keep people from getting tangled up.)
Jim
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what kind of tape was used to hold the capillary tube on the A/C evaporator case?
The same
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Gaffers tape was used under the door sill plates, it covers the hole at the base of the rear door pillars, it wrapped over the rear torque box pinch weld under the rear seat, .............
Marty looked but could not find any San Jose 67's with the tape used under or near the back seat. Maybe we're thinking of two different places. And also never seen it used on the steering column on a San Jose 67. Is this in a visible location when the car is assembled?
This is the area I think your describing. Nothing evident here as there was in other years. Example is from really close to the OP's cars VIN.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118180844.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118181111.jpeg)
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Bill,
Have you got a set of the Mustang Assembly Manuals for your car? The use of tape is documented there.
Jim
Jim,
I do not. That is probably a mistake -- more so as I'm usually a facts and data kind of guy.
I appreciate Marty's listing and see that I really need to get the manuals. For some reason I thought I could do without.
[on edit -- just ordered the 67 Assembly Manual Kit of 6 manuals]
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For others here are some pictures of some fo the locations being mentioned for this specific application
From 7R03C1883xx
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118182428.jpeg)
Trunk fuel sender wire application
7R01C1149xx
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118184628.jpeg)
7R01S1974xx
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118184707.jpeg)
7R02C1721xx Drivers side fell off. Tape location (green arrow) tape (blue arrow)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118184750.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118184807.jpeg)
7R03C1883xx
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118184917.jpeg)
Taillight bulb hole covering
7R15988x
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118185101.jpeg)
7R16808x
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118185138.jpeg)
Hood turn indicator bulb cover
7R03C1883xx - Sorry for the blurry picture ???
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118185159.jpeg)
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Marty looked but could not find any San Jose 67's with the tape used under or near the back seat. Maybe we're thinking of two different places. And also never seen it used on the steering column on a San Jose 67. Is this in a visible location when the car is assembled?
This is the area I think your describing. Nothing evident here as there was in other years. Example is from really close to the OP's cars VIN.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118180844.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130118181111.jpeg)
Here is a picture of our 68 HCS showing the gaffers tape on the rear torque box pinch weld. It was not used on fastbacks as you showed. I think it may have been used on convertibles too. I can not tell for sure in this picture.
BTW Jim the convertible picture shows the 67 gaffers tape to have a white back.
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Here is a picture of our 68 HCS showing the gaffers tape on the rear torque box pinch weld. It was not used on fastbacks as you showed. I think it may have been used on convertibles too. I can not tell for sure in this picture.
Thanks
Will look through the 67 pictures to see if its there on 67 coupes and or convertibles Just hope I have enough stripped interior 67 San Jose coupes and convetible
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I seem to recall some tape was used around the air extractor area on my '66, so you might check that area on your '67 when you get the assembly manuals.
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I seem to recall some tape was used around the air extractor area on my '66, so you might check that area on your '67 when you get the assembly manuals.
Checked real cars and didn't find them on 67's. At least on all the unrestored fastbacks that year and plant I found
I also recalled them from 66 - things change like in other areas where 66 San Jose did one thing and 67 didn't for some unknown reason
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Here are the locations where I found gaffer’s tape on my ’67 SJ Convertible (build date 9/22/1966):
- There were three spots in the trunk holding down the fuel tank wire.
- Tape near the power top cylinders in the rear seat area - presumably to guard against abrasion damage to the hydraulic lines.
- Tape along the top front edge of the convertible top well opening. This went under the stainless steel trim as well.
PS – Please disregard the red paint on the floor panels. That was not factory correct…
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I really like the high resolution pic of the seam sealer application for this plant in this time frame. An extra credit feature of this thread.
On the inside the tape appears to be at least 3" wide, if not 4". Since I gather this area is now covered can you verify the tape width in the trunk? Alas, my body manual is still 2 days away ...
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On the inside the tape appears to be at least 3" wide, if not 4". Since I gather this area is now covered can you verify the tape width in the trunk? Alas, my body manual is still 2 days away ...
Looking at the pictures it appears that (for the trunk) we can see 2"-4" being used. The assembly manual will show what Ford wanted - pictures will show what plants/workers did so don't expect them to match each other on this details. IMHO always go with the evidence
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To the other locations
Could not find any examples on coupes or convertibles of the tape being used/applied as it was in other years. Example response #11
But you can see another location to add to the list for coupes - the lower forward access hole in the interior quarter panel. Just behind the door opening.. Ignore the speaker wires ::)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-170118151825.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-170118151808.jpeg)
Example of the shift indicator light wire taping to the driveline hump. Some other years and plants used masking tape at least for a period of time
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-170118151840.jpeg)
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I just remembered one other gaffer's tape location on my '67 SJ Convertible.
There was a long strip of gaffer's tape along the top of the rear seat back as well...
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I have also found some Gaffer tape being used at the dashframe.
See pictures attached.
Not sure if this is helpfull or not, but I guess it can't be that bad ::)
Can confirm that I didn't find the tape at the rear torque box pinch weld in my Fastback.
I will check the area of the steering colomn
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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Agree on the dash as my 67 also has Gaffer tape in that location. My gaffer tape roll just came in the mail too.
I got my Body Assembly Manual (the other 5 are back ordered) and while it does show the tape over the rear seat weld it appears this detail was ignored at SJ.
The Assy Manual is a great piece of information. However, while Osborne does note that the originals weren't that great, the size of the printed manual makes everything real hard to read without a magnifying glass. The originals must have been blueprint size!
I wished they had a digital copy. To that end and since I don't have a flatbed scanner that can handle the Osborne manual large format paper size, I set up a camera and took a digital pic of each page, trimmed them all and placed them on my shared computers (one in the house and the other in the shop).
The ability to zoom in and actually make out the text and details is great.
Maybe someone can make an arrangement with Osborne so that we take small snippets of the page (<20% or so) and share them here with their permission. This might actually lead to greater sales since after you see the information available people might actually go out and buy a copy.
If nothing else a protected digital copy like the Fordmanuals.com people use would be great. And we wouldn't have to deal with backorders.
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Maybe someone can make an arrangement with Osborne so that we take small snippets of the page (<20% or so) and share them here with their permission.
You will find Assembly manual pages, and portions of, on many posts. So far so good.
Now that you are "hooked", see the Library for Mustang Hardware Spreadsheets for you car's year.
Jim
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Bill, two comments;
1. These were large drawings, probably on Mylar or sepia based on the timeframe. From those master drawings, scaled copies in blue print and other formats, was possible. I made some drawings for Ford of some of my designs in the late 80’s. The drawings were billable deliverables, and owned by Ford.
2. As improvements (better ideas, cost reductions - whether better ideas or not😎, etc) were done, they were implemented and approved as revised (or new) drawings. What we should expect in the Osborn reproductions is that the latest versions, which would be most prevalent 20+ years after the fact, are what we are looking at. As we traverse back in time towards the beginning of 67 production, we need to be very careful when interpreting those drawings. This is exactly why this forum is so awesome, helping those that care about the gory details sift through all of the evidence and determine what is best for their car. The copies of original drawings are indeed a great source, but are not always “correct” from a thoroughbred context.
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The assembly manuals were collected and assembled (the Mustang versions) mostly while Jim was still alive. He had located a far number of versions from through out the production years. Most of the pages were damaged, moldy and so on so he used pages from one version and others from other versions. And we accept that some pages were not useable in any of the manual he had collected though they are few. Because of all this we don't have a copy of an assembly manual from any one point in time but a collection of pages each likely was replaced at some point after a mistake was found, processes changed or for some other reason. The revisions and dates of publications are visible on each individual page
We had talked about the manuals possible existence for years Jim was the one that put his connections and applied his perseverance at putting them together. We thought they would provide us with all the answers back in the 80's but as our knowledge increased about the differences between the plants and time periods we found out that they were not the final word but a part of the solution to many questions. Do miss Jim - may he rest in peace
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Don't get me wrong -- I really appreciate the effort it took to make these available. And understand that there were revisions.
Simply wishing that instead of buying the paper copy that the owners of these manuals (Osborne's family?) could scan them at a high resolution and make them available digitally.
There are protection methods available (like Fordmanuals.com uses OwnerGuard) that keeps the digital versions from being copied without payment.
Just another way for them to make money!
I use Jim's Mustang Hardware Spreadsheets and thank him for his efforts as well.
I had his spreadsheet open, opened up Fordmanuals.com version of the Illustrated Part and Body Illustrations and then opened the MPC to get further details and showed all of this to a buddy on my Flatscreen in the shop.
He could not believe the amount of information available!
I then showed him some of Jeff's pics I saved from this forum on "how to" do sealers and he couldn't believe how far the hobby has progressed.
So thanks to all of you!
Here is a pic of the famous "upside down" floor drain plugs that verify the installation and show how my camera did when making a digital copy for my own use.
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something like this would be good......
http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/VARIOUS-FORD-MANUALS-NOW-AVAILABLE-AS-INSTANT-EBOOK-DOWNLOADS-P162715.aspx
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Exactly -- I bought the 67 version of the red Body Illustration manual on the top left.
Yes, all of these pics are duplicates of what's in the MPC, but pruned to only deal with particular years and then only Mustangs. It's only illustrations.
A handy quick reference and then I drill down into the MPC if needed.
Do note that the OwnerGuard protection built into the manuals is a bit obtuse to load, but seems to work well after a few hiccups. Hopefully the license server keeps running!
Sorry this topic has wandered so far afield.
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- all of these pics are duplicates of what's in the MPC, but pruned to only deal with particular years and then only Mustangs.
More important, it's what was used by service departments, not exactly what the factory installed originally.
For a FREE version of the MPC, try http://squarebirds.org/Manuals/1965/1965-72FordPartsTextCatalog/
Jim
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It's my opinion that the center of dash panel tape (see Fastback2013's reply #20 post, first pic) was used to protect worker's hands as well as to prevent scratches to the instrument panel during installation. This sucker can lacerate.
I have a number of 67 instrument panels (most are pedigree unknown).
One of them is a C7 Ford deluxe dash and features gaffer tape in three locations where the bottom of the panel might contact the metal dash during installation.
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It's my opinion that the center of dash panel tape (see Fastback2013's reply #20 post, first pic) was used to protect worker's hands as well as to prevent scratches to the instrument panel during installation. This sucker can lacerate.
I have a number of 67 instrument panels (most are pedigree unknown).
One of them is a C7 Ford deluxe dash and features gaffer tape in three locations where the bottom of the panel might contact the metal dash during installation.
The tape on the bottom of the gauge pod may just be a transfer from the dash application. The fabric tape like many can become very sticky, roll up, stick to other parts that come into contact and so on. Have allot of pictures where there is no tape on that lower edge of the gauge opening. They may have experienced contract transfer also
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I have a number of examples of the tape at the bottom of the cluster. I believe that it was to keep out dust,JMHO.