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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2017, 08:12:35 AM »
For 1967

231 = C code -man trans.
236 = C code -auto trans.

235 = A code -auto trans.
250 = A code -man trans.

245 = K code -man trans.
246 = K code -auto trans.

The A/B suffix according to Mannel's book, at least for the year/engine we are focusing on, represents level 14/15.

Since the core tag number is different for auto vs. man, there is no reason to change the suffix for the same thing.

Since your car is a C-code 289 with C4 automatic trans, second line on the tag would be something like:
L (F or ?) 236-B 15

236: C-code w/automatic trans
-B 15 {consistent with Level 15 Windsor 289 engine produced from mid-11/66}

F remains an unknown designation as far as I know.   Some have speculated it’s related to whether or not the engine has Thermactor system installed.

Another clue to help narrow things down would be to identify the engine block casting number and casting date.

(some of the above info is researched from the Manell book)

Thx.

Instead 236 B-15, could it be A 14 or 15 as well?
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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2017, 11:21:38 AM »
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Instead 236 B-15, could it be A 14 or 15 as well?

From the information available for 1967 289s (from Mannel book and threads in this forum), suffix A is consistent with level -14 and suffix B is consistent with level -15.

Probably the next step in your tracing process would be to identify your engine block casting number and casting date to confirm whether it's a either a Cleveland or Windsor 289 block.  You've indicated that at the time of an engine rebuild, it was fitted with a 4V carburetor and manifold.   

 

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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2017, 11:50:29 AM »

My engine tag:
289 E 67 FoMoCo
L F 236-B 15

The E in top line is the Windsor plant designation (not “emissions”).  The L in the bottom line is date code for November.  I think the jury is still out on what the F signifies in the bottom line, with no consensus.

I found this tag on ebay.

289 E 67 Fomoco
L E 236-B 15


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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2017, 12:16:51 PM »
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I found this tag on ebay.

289 E 67 Fomoco
L E 236-B 15

Nice work, that should fit very well.

Btw, I've come around to reconciling that the "F" in my tag is most likely a weak stamping of what should be "E" in E 236-B on the second line.  Which corroborates the markings on the tag you found in eBay.
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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2017, 12:19:56 PM »
Nice work, that should fit very well.

Yes, I thought so as well and belongs now to me  ;)

The only thing I was curios about, the 6 before the L is "missing".
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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2017, 12:49:40 PM »

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The only thing I was curios about, the 6 before the L is "missing".

Manell p. 7-5 section 7A3 shows several photo examples of 67 engine tags missing the number 6 before the month date code.  So, your tag's second line L E 236-B 15 (and mine) would fit this pattern.
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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2017, 01:29:20 PM »
Manell p. 7-5 section 7A3 shows several photo examples of 67 engine tags missing the number 6 before the month date code.  So, your tag's second line L E 236-B 15 (and mine) would fit this pattern.

Thanks a lot for clarification. Manells books seems to be a good investment I have to think about.
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Re: Correct Engine Sticker?
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2017, 06:02:41 PM »
Manell p. 7-5 section 7A3 shows several photo examples of 67 engine tags missing the number 6 before the month date code.  So, your tag's second line L E 236-B 15 (and mine) would fit this pattern.
Kevin Marti's "The Mustang and Cougar Tagbook" also discussed the absence of the number (day of month number) on page 90. "Ensite" plant in Canada (aka: Windsor engines) used this different layout on the engine aluminum tags till Mid-November 1967 (this is within the 68 Model year) so every 67 Windosr-built Engine would have the different layout.
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