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Offline 66RavenGTCoupeAgain

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Hi Guys,
Hopefully this is a nice easy one. I have not been able to find a clear reference to this in any of my sources so I thought I'd ask here. Simple question really - Does the brass adaptor for the temperature sender on the intake manifold of our 10/64 built SJ Convertible get painted Black with the block or was it installed later on down the line? If this was the case should I polish it and coat with a high temp clear gloss?

Thanks in advance,

Dan.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2017, 02:39:15 PM by J_Speegle »
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BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  TRANS
    65B     A      66           02M     22          1     6
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2017, 10:28:47 AM »
The adapter should be painted, I thought they were steel, not brass?
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 09:45:31 PM »
Thanks Charles. Fairly sure it's brass. I'll check and get back to you though.
66 Metuchen, NJ  GT Coupe
Raven, Deluxe Black Int
6T07A1612##
BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  TRANS
    65B     A      66           02M     22          1     6
Buck Tag:
C/O  362  (Customer Order, Rotation Number)
5    M7 (Weld Bay 5, Bucked Dec 7)
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2017, 11:34:51 AM »
Thanks Charles. Fairly sure it's brass. I'll check and get back to you though.

I've only seen steel adapters.  Bought a few a while back to have if needed.
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2017, 04:13:33 PM »
This subject caught my interest, so I did some research. Using the 75 MPC, I looked in the illustration section under the electrical, engine and instrument sections, and then the same in the parts section. I found the manifold, the sender, the wiring (assembly manuals) but found no reference to the adapter. I know it exists, I have one on an engine (a 65 San Jose GT, "A" code, Fastback) to adapt the manifold to the small size sender. It appears to be a brass fitting. My 66 GT, "K" code, Fastback has the large sender.
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2017, 07:23:35 PM »
This subject caught my interest, so I did some research. Using the 75 MPC, I looked in the illustration section under the electrical, engine and instrument sections, and then the same in the parts section. I found the manifold, the sender, the wiring (assembly manuals) but found no reference to the adapter. I know it exists, I have one on an engine (a 65 San Jose GT, "A" code, Fastback) to adapt the manifold to the small size sender. It appears to be a brass fitting. My 66 GT, "K" code, Fastback has the large sender.
Jim

First I looked in my 1966 Only MPC, and like you, found no Illustration of the Adaptor. I then looked at the Intake Manifold Text and found that the Service Package included with the 4 bbl Intake included (1) C5AZ-10911-A Adaptor (picture 1). I then looked for that part in the Text, but it wasn't to be found. I then went to my 1965 Only MPC (since the Part was a C5AZ part) and looked at the Intake Manifold Text and found what is shown in picture 2. I then looked for the C5AZ-10911-A part in the Text, and found what is shown in picture 3. A great description, but nothing on the material. Unfortunately, I have found that parts which normally should be a "Hardware" part, yet carry a "car" Part Number, usually don't have near the detail  that one finds in the Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalogs.

Bob
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2017, 07:36:33 PM »
The 75 MPC shows part number C5ZD-10911-C (SW-757) with a description of "Screw in type - 3/8" - 18 external pipe thread x 1/8" - 27 internal pipe thread x 1/2" long - use with senders (10884) having 1/8" - 27 male ends", no material.
Note the "-C".
Unfortunately, I have found that parts which normally should be a "Hardware" part, yet carry a "car" Part Number, usually don't have near the detail  that one finds in the Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalogs.
I guess it's an "engineering fix part" for a single year, limited application, not a multi year part. As such, it would be limited in distribution, not generally stocked.
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2017, 10:19:29 AM »
It doesn't make sense for the 'after 8/20/64' note as I've only seen on style of adapter used from 64.5 through late '65.
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2017, 12:00:38 PM »
It doesn't make sense for the 'after 8/20/64' note as I've only seen on style of adapter used from 64.5 through late '65.

Charles : I believe that the "Before and After 08/20/64" note only applies to the Intake Manifold itself. IE, using the earlier Intake did not require the Adaptor ?

Bob
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2017, 12:51:19 PM »
I've only seen steel adapters. 
- 1966 Only MPC, - - the Service Package included with the 4 bbl Intake included (1) C5AZ-10911-A Adaptor (picture 1).
The 75 MPC shows part number C5ZD-10911-C (SW-757)
It appears to be a brass fitting.
I just did the "magnet" test on the "appears to be a brass fitting" fitting. Despite several tries, the magnet did not stick. Conclusion: it's brass (OK, not steel).
Speculation: With a "-A" listed in an early MPC and a "-C" listed in later versions, the "-A" would be the original in brass, and the "-C" is a steel replacement.
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2017, 01:10:21 PM »
Magnet test results;  mine is brass.  Brian
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2017, 01:35:31 PM »
Jim : That was my exact thought also. The "-A" is Brass, and the "-C" is steel. Who says great minds don't think alike ??


Bob
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2017, 04:40:52 PM »
That was my exact thought also. The "-A" is Brass, and the "-C" is steel.
Remember -  it's "speculation". Without the actual Ford engineering document we won't know.
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Re: To paint or not to paint? - Temperature sender brass adaptor 66 A Code
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2017, 06:27:11 PM »
Remember -  it's "speculation". Without the actual Ford engineering document we won't know.
Jim

Absolutely. That is why I qualified my comment by saying "my thought".  :)

Bob
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