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Title: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: ChrisV289 on January 30, 2017, 01:20:37 PM
Curious who sells the best rear valance that fits. Everyone offers just one type but NPD has another that is 1.2mm thick and says it fits. Wondering if anyone on here has used it or what is best. Most of the NOS I see are for either dual exhaust or no back up lights. Would hate to cut one of those for back up lights.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 30, 2017, 01:47:35 PM
Any cost savings for repro will be made up in getting the thing to fit, versus just buying a Ford replacement to start with.  I would actually recommend looking for a nice original before a Ford replacement.  As far as back-up light holes, I see no issue with cutting them if needed.  Not a big deal.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: 67gtasanjose on January 30, 2017, 02:10:39 PM
Curious who sells the best rear valance that fits. Everyone offers just one type but NPD has another that is 1.2mm thick and says it fits. Wondering if anyone on here has used it or what is best. Most of the NOS I see are for either dual exhaust or no back up lights. Would hate to cut one of those for back up lights.

You need NON-GT, With B/U lamps I guess by reading this?

I have a NOS red primer, GT version and haven't listed it yet for sale. It does not have backup lamps holes but I have the instructions to cut them in. I've already marked the inside of the valance using a grey primer, providing a silhouette where the back up lamps go. (using a template created from an original GT, dual exhaust outlet type).

If this helps, PM me.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: ChrisV289 on February 01, 2017, 04:12:31 PM
If a car didn't have backup lamps to begin with would the plug ins still be there on the harness? Also would the holes on the quarter panels underneath have a rubber plug? Thought about going the route of maybe not installing the back up lamps.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: jwc66k on February 01, 2017, 04:26:25 PM
Backup lamps in 1965 used a different harness than without. There were four harnesses, hard top and convertible with and without, and Fastback with and without. The harness hole was not punched in the trunk drop off panel (I think, I don't remember - in any case Charles addressed this question a while back).
Jim
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: CharlesTurner on February 01, 2017, 10:58:37 PM
If a car didn't have backup lamps to begin with would the plug ins still be there on the harness? Also would the holes on the quarter panels underneath have a rubber plug? Thought about going the route of maybe not installing the back up lamps.

If the car didn't have the lights originally and assuming the turn-downs are original, you'll have to drill the holes.  Best to find examples of originals, might be some here on the forum.  Be sure to use the correct lights with the smaller wire grommet size where the wires pass through the trunk turn-downs.  Repro's usually have the big ones like 67-8.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: ChrisV289 on February 12, 2017, 11:11:06 PM
So the NPD valance did not fit right. The brackets that hold the studs are about an inch off from middle to middle compared to the original. Also the top holes are circular even on the NOS pieces I see on eBay. My holes on the original valance are more oval. Guess I need to find an original valance or rethink the exhaust on this car.  :-\
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: 65Ford on February 13, 2017, 01:11:50 AM
Bummer.  I was depending on NPD's being close enough.  Hope mine is salvageable - It has a thick layer of bondo like my tail panel.  I swear the repo valance from the late '80s fit better...
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: CharlesTurner on February 13, 2017, 10:24:13 AM
So the NPD valance did not fit right. The brackets that hold the studs are about an inch off from middle to middle compared to the original. Also the top holes are circular even on the NOS pieces I see on eBay. My holes on the original valance are more oval. Guess I need to find an original valance or rethink the exhaust on this car.  :-\

See 1st reply...  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: ChrisV289 on February 13, 2017, 11:42:13 PM
See 1st reply...  ;)  ;)

I know  ;)  So I went to my friend's shop today, who by the way has a lot of parts running aroud that he is eventually going to be cataloging and selling soon.  Actually directed him to the wanted section and kept saying I have that and that and that.  I know he has a couple of cardboard heater plenums...Anyways he had two original valances both with stamped date codes and each one had different holes, one oval the other circular.  Was there a transition period on the type of hole?  One was off a 65 (oval) the other I am not sure...
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: CharlesTurner on February 14, 2017, 10:23:29 AM
Which holes?
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: ChrisV289 on February 14, 2017, 11:36:37 AM
The top holes where the screws go into the back of the car above the license plate
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: CharlesTurner on February 14, 2017, 01:13:14 PM
Haven't paid attention to that detail, guess round would be early.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: ChrisV289 on February 14, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
Mine are oval with a 10/1964 build date.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: ChrisV289 on February 16, 2017, 11:56:43 PM
Was at my friend's shop again today and found another valance with oval holes at the top.  Date code was stamped in July.  Sent back the repro valance with a letter explaining how off it was and the different holes at the top.  Hope they do more research for early 65 Mustangs and produce a better fitting rear valance...
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: livetoride60 on April 18, 2017, 10:59:59 PM
Mine are also oval with a 10/64 build date, SJ car.
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: J_Speegle on April 19, 2017, 12:06:15 AM
Might be helpful to include the valance stamping date in the survey. Might be important later and its easier to share than go back later. Just a thought
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: petersixtfive on April 19, 2017, 07:43:58 AM
http://blog.virginiaclassicmustang.com/2011/11/just-details1965-66-mustang-rear.html


Some good info here
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: Brant on April 19, 2017, 06:49:33 PM
I have since learned that as you get into '66 production (at least on the San Jose cars) that you will find that the rear valances have the round, rather than oval holes. As a side note, it usually seems that the valances with the smaller round holes use a smaller head Phillips pan head screw, although I have seen a mix of screws on the same car. It's interesting to note that those smaller head screws would not work well with the larger oval holes.

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The above installation also used two different style screws. Note the larger well liner screws behind the bumper guards.

I've also had some earlier NOS service rear valances that have had the oval holes.

Also I have noted that sometimes, none of the screws had any body color paint.

Another thing, on most rear valances with the oval holes, since the screw heads are larger, you cannot tell which type of hole it is when it is installed.

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Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: J_Speegle on April 19, 2017, 10:35:35 PM
I have since learned that as you get into '66 production (at least on the San Jose cars) that you will find that the rear valances have the round, rather than oval holes. As a side note, it usually seems that the valances with the smaller round holes use a smaller head Phillips pan head screw, although I have seen a mix of screws on the same car.


Haven't seen a mix on the same car other than the before and after paint on 66 San Jose cars


The above installation also used two different style screws. Note the larger well liner screws behind the bumper guards.

Normally the painted one and the reason for two different styles of screws on the same car. If you collect enough there appears to be a change over from the screws with integrated washer to pan head style in the Fall period


I've also had some earlier NOS service rear valances that have had the oval holes.

That would likely be period made service replacements


Also I have noted that sometimes, none of the screws had any body color paint.
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What cars would those be?  Though I've found some with the paint knocked off they have always had a shadow behind the screws on an original paint car. Nice pictures

As for the other two plants would be nice to have a larger collection of those for the discussion but it appears with what we have that the styles were more uniform since all the screws got installed at the same station and time. Its just which style screws and the related time periods
Title: Re: 65 Reproduction Valance
Post by: Brant on April 20, 2017, 10:31:49 AM


What cars would those be?  Though I've found some with the paint knocked off they have always had a shadow behind the screws on an original paint car. Nice pictures

As for the other two plants would be nice to have a larger collection of those for the discussion but it appears with what we have that the styles were more uniform since all the screws got installed at the same station and time. Its just which style screws and the related time periods

I've seen these on a handful of original late '65 production San Jose cars that actually still have the original valances...mostly GT350s that I am looking at.

I just point this out to show that it is certainly possible that some cars had screws in the rear valance that were not painted. Same thing with the two different screws in the same valance.

Oh, I also discovered just yesterday after I posted this that some early cars with the oval holes in the rear valance did use the smaller pan head Phillips screws. Here is a picture of my June '64 Dearborn coupe. It has original paint and rear valance has never been removed. So, I guess you can use about any type of screw that you want on these cars, huh? Always discovering something...

Oh, and I guess we should apologize to the OP, because this thread did sure go off topic. That never happens though, right? LOL

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