Author Topic: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections  (Read 2521 times)

Offline 67gtasanjose

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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2016, 06:17:29 PM »

Here is a picture of a unrestored early 67 heater control valve.
Marty   

I have found a few NOS Fairlane Heater Valves, slightly different impressions on the diaphragms. Obvious bracket difference that can be switched.

Have these been any sort of "accepted" replacement for majority of classes except Thoroughbred?
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2016, 11:19:37 PM »
I have found a few NOS Fairlane Heater Valves, slightly different impressions on the diaphragms. Obvious bracket difference that can be switched.

Have these been any sort of "accepted" replacement for majority of classes except Thoroughbred?

Depends on the judge and if they notice the differences. If they do, an owner or builder should expect some deduction so that you (the judge) can reward another owner that was able to find/or has a visually correct valve. But it looks like it is a much better choice than other choices and you should not receive a large deduction - one appropriate in a weighted deduction judging system
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2016, 06:03:57 PM »
This is the best I could come up with in the end,,,
I might keep my eyes peeled for an original but seriously what's the odds of one of those being any good.
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2016, 10:54:59 AM »
Inline Tube sells 5/32" striped vacuum line by the foot.  Several colors and looks to be good quality.  They advertise as being for GM application.
I'm not sure of the size used on the Mustangs but this looks close.   You can buy it on EBay.  Search striped vacuum hose.

As mentioned earlier, it is a shame that such "striped" hoses are not reproduced. I imagine every Ford product with factory air conditioning in the 60's would benefit from these hoses being reproduced in a more authentic version than what is presently available.

The hoses Inline Tube is selling have "Ribs" (for G.M. applications) while the ones I have found on my '67 do not. They also do not sell "Purple" ones that I can find online.

Save your money on any attempt at using the GM style hoses with stripes. These are not only a "Swing & a miss", but actually more along the lines of a "Shut-out"! WAY to thick of rubber and as mentioned earlier, original colored striping not all available.
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2016, 12:26:16 PM »
This is the best I could come up with in the end,,,
I might keep my eyes peeled for an original but seriously what's the odds of one of those being any good.
Pretty good odds IMO. I see them all of the time. Many originals are still usable you have to first test to see if it holds vacuum (suck on nipple ) and then see if the valve inside is movable when vacuum is applied. You typically have to restore the appearance for show. To replate it takes a little thinking outside the box. The brass base has to be protected so it doesn't take the zinc dichromate plating of the diaphragm . Of course you unscrew the firewall bracket from the brass base and replate the bracket separate . Replace a new O ring between the base and the bracket when it comes time to assemble it. You need to neutralize any remaining plating solution that may have found it's way on ether side of the internal diaphragm and then it wouldn't hurt to lubricate . I put a cap on the diaphragm nipple and you could rig up a temporary plastic cover for the bottom of the base in place of the metal bracket .     
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2016, 03:29:28 PM »
Ignore the creative build your own heater hose atttempt but here is a fairly early 67 San Jose shot to add to the collection



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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2016, 01:20:41 PM »
If the purple hose is still in reasonably good condition I would just switch ends so the purple stripe shows.
Purple is hardest as like Marty pointed out the end that is in engine bay takes a beating
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2017, 10:41:54 AM »
This is the best I could come up with in the end,,,
I might keep my eyes peeled for an original but seriously what's the odds of one of those being any good.

Resurrecting this thread from last year, since part of it focuses on the topic of the '67 heater water control valve.  My AC coupe's original piece (C7ZA-18C310-A) still holds vacuum and the valve functions OK, opening and closing hot water flow to the heater core.  But...  the valve now leaks a steady drip of coolant from the weep hole on the bottom of the diaphragm chamber.  This may have come up before but haven't located if it's here somewhere:  is there a service shop that offers a rebuild of this valve?

I'm also posting a WTB in the wanted ads, for anyone who wants to sell an original 67 water control valve.

Thanks,
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2017, 02:41:13 PM »
Resurrecting this thread from last year, since part of it focuses on the topic of the '67 heater water control valve.  My AC coupe's original piece (C7ZA-18C310-A) still holds vacuum and the valve functions OK, opening and closing hot water flow to the heater core.  But...  the valve now leaks a steady drip of coolant from the weep hole on the bottom of the diaphragm chamber.  This may have come up before but haven't located if it's here somewhere:  is there a service shop that offers a rebuild of this valve?

Don't know anyone that professionally rebuilds these units. The uncrippling and recripping of the vacuum pod would likely not look acceptable when  done
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2017, 11:41:43 AM »
Marty (or anyone else), do you know of a source for this clip/retainer? I've checked AMK and other soureces and can't seem to find it.
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2017, 12:00:06 PM »
Marty (or anyone else), do you know of a source for this clip/retainer? I've checked AMK and other soureces and can't seem to find it.

Many Ford products uses this item & can be found in Salvage yards or donor cars. A person could make one too out of tin and the plastic-coat products out there but you would need original specs to do that.  Mine is not handy enough to measure but there are some guys who may have one handy. Hopefully, somebody else can chime in on it.
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2017, 01:00:16 PM »
I found a similar clip in my junk box. I believe the part number is 358362-S, as shown in the 67 Electrical Assembly Manual, AM0018 pg 76, and is used on A/C equipped Mustangs (all engines) from 67 thru 70, but I have found no supporting documentation, drawings or specs. If someone can measure the "grip" and overall length that would make identification easier. Pictures later. I have some appointments this morning first.
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2017, 03:03:05 PM »
Many Ford products uses this item & can be found in Salvage yards or donor cars. A person could make one too out of tin and the plastic-coat products out there but you would need original specs to do that. ...................

+1  In many cases the metal strap will need to be restored and recoated if you find one. For Dearborn applications in the 69+ years it can often ben caught up in some of the firewall coating /sealing pattern
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2017, 04:04:59 PM »
I believe the part number is 358362-S, as shown in the 67 Electrical Assembly Manual, AM0018 pg 76, and is used on A/C equipped Mustangs (all engines) from 67 thru 70, but I have found no supporting documentation, drawings or specs. If someone can measure the "grip" and overall length that would make identification easier. Pictures later.
Two  pictures of what I have. The area where the hole is has been twisted, probably in removal. There is a small step as shown in the above installed drawing. The mounting hole diameter is 5/16 inch dia, the steel is 0.050 inch thick. Other measurements are as shown in the pictures. The installation in the referenced manual shows a screw, 42067-S8 (10-12X1/2hex) and washer, 44711-S8 (9flw, 0.198-0.208 in dia) are used. That combination indicates a compensation for the 5/16 inch dia mounting hole.
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Re: 67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections
« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2017, 02:45:22 AM »
In order to help direct this thread back to more of its original Topic (67-68 Select-Aire Vacuum Hoses, Routing, Markings & Connections), I offer the following attachments for your information. Unfortunately, it doesn't offer sources for the striped hoses.

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