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Offline Buiaka

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5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« on: August 13, 2013, 05:06:57 AM »
Hi,

i bought my car (69 Mach1 351W with AC and FMX) with a 5-blade fan installed, but with aluminium blades. It looks like the originals look like (see picture). Was it original like this, with alu blades? I cant find a reproduction 5 blade fan with aluminium blades.
The reason is, i doubt that this 5 blade fan is 17". I tried to install a 6 blade 17" fan and it doesnt fit in my shroud, so the 5 blade must be smaller. There is no way to get the 17" fixed 6 blade from Flex-a-lite into my shroud. I even bought a smaller spacer, but still it doesnt fit.

Any help or ideas what 5-blade fan i got installed and why the 17" 6-blade doesnt fit? My radiator is the 3 row 24" original.

Thank you

regards

Christopher

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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 09:48:28 PM »
Originally the C8SE-B was used (same one used on 69 Boss 302's) or C9WE-C depending on when the car was built

Engineering number should be on the fan blades or on the center hub area
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2013, 01:20:36 AM »
This list was garnered from the MPC regarding shrouds, fans, spacers and clutches:

Boss 302 and 302,351W with a/c or x/c C9OZ-8146-A fan shroud marked C9OE-F for 24" radiator
Boss 302 and 302,351W with a/c C8SZ-8600-B fixed 5 blade fan marked C8SE-B (351W x/c fan same as std)
Boss 302 and 302,351W C8ZZ-8546-B fan spacer marked C8ZE-D
69 351W C9WE-C 7 blade clutch fan
69 351W C9WE-A fan clutch

The same two fans Jeff spoke of are in the list.

I have one C8SE-B (stamped on the steel frame) with aluminum blades
C9WE-C (stamped on the aluminum blades) is common on Cougar.
It's correct for 351W, but I'm not sure if it's for Mustang?
I have two of them, one with clutch and one without.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2013, 01:34:47 AM by 7Lscjracer »
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2013, 01:25:36 AM »
This list was garnered from the MPC regarding shrouds, fans, spacers and clutches:
.............

Remember that the MPC does not list (well always) what was original equipment but what Ford had at the time that would work for the application

The text that you posted is a great example of this fact
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2013, 01:38:56 AM »
I guess the later the edition, the less factory original the MPC listings are then?
All the digital copies I've seen available are the final edition, circa 1975 IIRC?
Too bad there aren't earlier copies, or maybe I've overlooked them?
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 05:33:29 PM »
So, the C8SE-B is the flex blade. Is this correct for my car? Will it improve air flow, compared to the fixed 5 blade?
I think its smaller than 17", because the 17" 6-blade does not fit in my shroud.
On the picture you see the C8SE-B. are the additional holes next to the rivets original to balance the blades?

Thank you for all the replies

Christopher

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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2013, 11:22:14 PM »
So, the C8SE-B is the flex blade. Is this correct for my car?

When was your car built??


On the picture you see the C8SE-B. are the additional holes next to the rivets original to balance the blades?

Yes
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2013, 01:11:46 AM »
It was built in july 69.

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Chris

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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2013, 02:01:51 AM »
It was built in july 69.


So pretty late in production

Checking buildsheets from that period it seems that  C8SE-B was the one used during that period (from buildsheet dated 23F)
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 07:39:58 PM »
Originally the C8SE-B was used (same one used on 69 Boss 302's) or C9WE-C depending on when the car was built

Engineering number should be on the fan blades or on the center hub area

I believe that the Ford number on that fan is C9WE-A for the early 1969 Boss 302 application.
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 08:36:26 PM »
I believe that the Ford number on that fan is C9WE-A for the early 1969 Boss 302 application.

Correct - very early ;) Something like the first week or so of production

Before the op was looking for
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2017, 11:18:49 PM »
I have the same fan as the OP on my Shelby GT350. Build Date 04/14/69.
Each blade has:
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C8SE - B

It is also stamped on each blade "6 9 A" rotated 90 deg clockwise from the other stampings.

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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2017, 12:14:12 AM »
I have the same fan as the OP on my Shelby GT350. Build Date 04/14/69.
Each blade has:
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C8SE - B

It is also stamped on each blade "6 9 A" rotated 90 deg clockwise from the other stampings.
The 69/70 GT350 W/air is another application that uses the C8SE-B . The non air car 69/70 GT350's typically came with a 4 blade sometimes but not always metal stamped C8SE-A
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2017, 12:42:05 AM »
I have the same fan as the OP on my Shelby GT350. Build Date 04/14/69.

Yes the applications are numerous for that fan (S8SE-B) unlike others that have limited applications. and why likely their values have not climbed through the roof like so many Boss or Shelby only parts have (for example)
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Re: 5 blade fan with aluminium blades, original?
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2017, 10:03:10 AM »
I guess the later the edition, the less factory original the MPC listings are then?
All the digital copies I've seen available are the final edition, circa 1975 IIRC?
Too bad there aren't earlier copies, or maybe I've overlooked them?
Generally speaking the earliest version of the MPC after the build date, the better it represents what was built.  The newer/later versions will be less accurate as parts are replaced or superseded to streamline inventory and maximize profit.

There are earlier copies but usually in paper form and expensive.  The 65-72 MPC has a lot of potential users, much more than for example the January 1967 version of the one year only MPC.   Someone with a May 67 build would probably prefer a later one year only version if available. 

However, it is also known that there were parts used in the factory that were never available over the counter, serviced with an "equivalent" from day one, which is why donor parts can be so sought after.

The knowledge that is shared freely on this site fills those gaps, and is something I truly appreciate
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