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Offline Building 3

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Coil Spring Finish
« on: October 20, 2014, 12:45:28 PM »
What is the current thinking on the finish of the front coil springs?  The MCA rules state semi-gloss black or "may be natural."  Unfortunately my springs were previously spray painted gloss black sometime in the past. This would be for a Dearborn 1965 build of a C-Code automatic without A/C. Thank you
1966 289 C code auto convertible December 1965 scheduled build at Dearborn.

1966 289 C code auto convertible
October 1965 scheduled build at Metuchen.

Offline Bob Gaines

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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2014, 05:51:41 PM »
What is the current thinking on the finish of the front coil springs?  The MCA rules state semi-gloss black or "may be natural."  Unfortunately my springs were previously spray painted gloss black sometime in the past. This would be for a Dearborn 1965 build of a C-Code automatic without A/C. Thank you
Current thinking is that they came both ways. Semi gloss black evidence on some ,dark heat treated (natural?) spring steel on many others (what I have seen most 65-67 SJ ). I think that the painted was more prevalent in the later years 68-70 or at least in (Dearborn) then the earlier years 65-67SJ . Both were used in both time periods some more then others probably the plant had something to do with it also. Just personal observations that I and input from others have helped me get a sense of what to expect. 
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2014, 08:28:05 PM »
Sometimes a good place to start is the search feature here

Some previous threads

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=7515.msg42805#msg42805


http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=4342.msg24078#msg24078

Personally never found any that were painted black but we've been over that subject a number of times. But MCA does allow you currently to choose your finish

Here is a picture of a front coil spring from a 65 Dearborn just for the metal finish ;)

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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2014, 11:55:29 PM »
Sometimes a good place to start is the search feature here

Some previous threads

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=7515.msg42805#msg42805


http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=4342.msg24078#msg24078

Personally never found any that were painted black but we've been over that subject a number of times. But MCA does allow you currently to choose your finish

Here is a picture of a front coil spring from a 65 Dearborn just for the metal finish ;)


Try to convince Brant  ;) . ;D
Bob Gaines,Shelby enthusiast, Shelby collector , Shelby concours judge SAAC,MCA,Mid America Shelby

Offline J_Speegle

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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 12:00:48 AM »
Try to convince Brant  ;) . ;D

Don't have or needed  to ;)  But more than happy to discuss evidence and original examples

Still waiting for an example that reacts (lifts and curls the "paint")  from paint removed :)
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2014, 10:23:58 AM »
Ever since I started paying attention to this detail, seen more that appear to just be a darkened heat-treat.  I usually soak original springs in evapo-rust now, original markings come up nice.
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2014, 11:30:21 AM »
Ever since I started paying attention to this detail, seen more that appear to just be a darkened heat-treat.  I usually soak original springs in evapo-rust now, original markings come up nice.
+1
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2014, 02:22:06 PM »
Thanks for your help in the responses. I'll do a better job with the search feature next time.
1966 289 C code auto convertible December 1965 scheduled build at Dearborn.

1966 289 C code auto convertible
October 1965 scheduled build at Metuchen.

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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 11:23:44 PM »
Related topic.  Rear springs over time lose their arc and eventually need to be re-arced or replaced.  What's the prevailing line of thought on the lifespan of the front coils?  Given the heavier gauge material I assume they "should" last a lot longer.

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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 11:32:24 PM »
Related topic.  Rear springs over time lose their arc and eventually need to be re-arced or replaced.  What's the prevailing line of thought on the lifespan of the front coils?  Given the heavier gauge material I assume they "should" last a lot longer.

I've never had to re-arch rear leaf springs or address any issue with sagging front coils. Now cut or heated ones is another issue front springs. Many of my cars have spent more of their lives without engines of transmissions in the car reducing allot of the stress especially on the front but also all of the springs
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 06:22:11 AM »
Can you phosphate the front coils for that darkened look?

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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 08:27:31 AM »
Can you phosphate the front coils for that darkened look?

Sure, just use manganese phosphate as zinc phosphate will be too light.  Some use gun blue and there are other products like Insta-Blak...
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 11:37:07 PM »
Sorry to bring this topic back up but I am finding traces of semi gloss black underneath both stripes on my front spring on the passenger side and traces on the driver side as well..
Chris
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1965 Caspian Blue Fastback (SJ 06/03/65)
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 11:39:14 PM »
Sorry to bring this topic back up but I am finding traces of semi gloss black underneath both stripes on my front spring on the passenger side and traces on the driver side as well..

Did the paint bubble up when you placed paint remover on it?  Or is the coating something you can scrap or chip off?
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Re: Coil Spring Finish
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 11:51:03 PM »
Let me know if these help. Did bubble a little bit when I sprayed some paint stripper at the bottom inside.
Chris
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1965 Caspian Blue Fastback (SJ 06/03/65)
2009 V6 Mustang Coupe