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Title: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: socalgt on May 12, 2017, 07:41:47 PM
The car I'm in the process of purchasing has '65 styled, fully chromed rims.  I understand there is no physical difference, other than the '66 styled wheels are not chromed, but painted black where the trim rings cover....is that correct?  Assuming it is, to prepare '65(fully chromed) wheels to accept the '66 trim rings I thought of masking them off and Bede blasting the areas where the trim rings attach and painting them black there to allow them to grip and stay in place.  Any one tried this, or similar method to allow the '65 rims to accept the trim rings?
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: jwc66k on May 12, 2017, 10:49:00 PM
There's more darker area on a 66 Style Steel Wheel than just the outer rim. The area where the five lug nuts go is a charcoal brown (it's darker) so the wheel stands out. A 65 wheel is argent in those areas. The trim ring should slip in but you may have too much chrome/argent visible. Bead blasting chrome is also a futile task. Chrome is hard. It may not work.
See attached for 66 Style Steel Wheels.
Jim
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: socalgt on May 13, 2017, 03:42:09 PM
Thanks for the info....guess I'll find original '66 Styled wheels/trim rings and pass these along to someone needing '65 wheels.  I do have a set of original '67 styled wheels/trim rings, which,  although incorrect, will fit...just be a bit wider (5 1/2")
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: jwc66k on May 13, 2017, 04:38:11 PM
I do have a set of original '67 styled wheels/trim rings, which,  although incorrect, will fit...just be a bit wider (5 1/2")
That's what I have on my 66 Hardtop, with P225/60R14 rubber. It's difficult to tell the difference unless there's a 66 Wheel close by.
Jim
PS - It's a daily driver.
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: dsielke on May 13, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
Before you change out the rims make sure of the date of your 1966 Mustang and be sure the rims are not original to the car. The argent to charcoal was a running change as well, 65s did have charcoal inserts. Also, early 66 Mustang did come with full chrome rims. Charles can give a more exact date but I believe the trim rings / black painted rims were a running change around the end of November 1965, at least at the San Jose plant.
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: jwc66k on May 14, 2017, 12:34:02 AM
Before you change out the rims make sure of the date of your 1966 Mustang and be sure the rims are not original to the car. The argent to charcoal was a running change as well, 65s did have charcoal inserts. Also, early 66 Mustang did come with full chrome rims. Charles can give a more exact date but I believe the trim rings / black painted rims were a running change around the end of November 1965, at least at the San Jose plant.
This is the original spare from my Oct 65 San Jose K Fastback with the original dual red line tire and original Style Steel wheel. The other wheels are the same, trim ring, charcoal paint.
Jim
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: Morsel on August 31, 2017, 04:24:55 PM
Along these same lines, has anyone re-chromed a complete original 66 Steel Style wheel and then as the OP mentioned, only have them buff and polish the center area and then paint the outer areas black over the chrome to match the originals? I know you can't take these apart and also would need to add back the argent color after everything. But I was curious if anyone's done this to a set of originals to restore them, meaning ofd course if they were in decent shape to begin with without major pitting in the chrome.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: jwc66k on August 31, 2017, 04:52:03 PM
Along these same lines, has anyone re-chromed a complete original 66 Steel Style wheel and then as the OP mentioned, only have them buff and polish the center area and then paint the outer areas black over the chrome to match the originals? I know you can't take these apart and also would need to add back the argent color after everything. But I was curious if anyone's done this to a set of originals to restore them, meaning ofd course if they were in decent shape to begin with without major pitting in the chrome.
It's expensive. Try http://www.wheeltechniques.com/ I've not used them but know of several that have and were satisfied.
Jim
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: Morsel on August 31, 2017, 06:16:25 PM
It's expensive. Try http://www.wheeltechniques.com/ I've not used them but know of several that have and were satisfied.
Jim

Hmmm, interesting, never really thought about a shop doing the whole job, I'll have to reach out to them for a quote to see. I would assume they send out for the re-chroming work since no where in California does chrome anymore because of the regulations, that's why I was thinking of doing everything else but the chroming.

Jason
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: jwc66k on August 31, 2017, 08:32:25 PM
I would assume they send out for the re-chroming work since no where in California does chrome anymore because of the regulations, that's why I was thinking of doing everything else but the chroming.
Jason,
I know of at least four chrome shops in the San Jose area that do everything right here. One shop owner did tell me that it costs him about $7000 a month to be in compliance with California regulations. A couple of other shops send their chrome to the Central Valley, less regulation costs, lower labor costs. It's my understanding that in Southern California, chrome work is done in Mexico (Gee, I wonder why?).
Jim
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: Morsel on September 01, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
Just for future readers of this thread, the shop Jim recommended doesn't do any re-chroming work anymore. I talked to a guy on the phone and all they do now is straightening, polishing, and painting of wheels.

Jim, I'll PM you for the info you have on other shops and who you think does solid re-chroming work in our area.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: jwc66k on September 01, 2017, 07:26:22 PM
Just for future readers of this thread, the shop Jim recommended doesn't do any re-chroming work anymore. I talked to a guy on the phone and all they do now is straightening, polishing, and painting of wheels.
Jason,
Noted. Thanks.
I'll PM you for the info you have on other shops and who you think does solid re-chroming work in our area.
Two of the other shop do bumpers only. In getting the phone number for a third, their website says they went out of business on 8/3/17.
In talking with another Mustang restorer, he says try in the central valley. That's Jeff's territory.
Jim
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: 64.5gcl on August 17, 2019, 05:09:54 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I'm looking at chroming 66 wheels for my 64.5 and so I thought I'd check to see if  anyone that was part of the original discussion  knew if re-chroming the whole 66 wheel without separating the two sections would be successful. Anyone had it done in Western Canada or Northern Washington?

Glenn
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: J_Speegle on August 17, 2019, 06:04:20 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I'm looking at chroming 66 wheels for my 64.5 and so I thought I'd check to see if  anyone that was part of the original discussion  knew if re-chroming the whole 66 wheel without separating the two sections would be successful. Anyone had it done in Western Canada or Northern Washington?

Glenn

Not sure if it would be possible not to get the outer ring plated in the process, the gap between the inner and outer plated over and the affect on how the two were joined together. None of these would be something you would want to see on a finished wheel. Plus buffing the finish around and at the joint between the two would be very difficult but but doable since we use to be able to buy chromed Chevy Rally Wheels but don't know if those were new or chromed new wheels
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: 64.5gcl on August 17, 2019, 07:12:50 PM
Thanks Jeff. Are the 65 and 66 wheels identical except for the 66 not having the outer ring chromed? My intent was to have the outer ring chromed to match the 65's so that I wouldn't use the trim rings i am now.. i Like the idea but don't want to sacrifice what I have to experimentation so it you thing the gap will end up messed up, I'll just stay with them the way they are now and repaint the recessed areas. The chrome is still in pretty good condition.

Glenn
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: jwc66k on August 17, 2019, 07:30:59 PM
My intent was to have the outer ring chromed to match the 65's so that I wouldn't use the trim rings i am now..
The trim ring was a "cure" for the scratches from tire installation on an all chrome wheel. The black was easier to touch up than chrome.
Jim
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: 67gta289 on August 17, 2019, 08:12:36 PM
I'm close to going this route for my wheels, and the plater that I normally use says that there is no way for them to "blow" the chrome in far enough with the hub still attached to the hoop.  I'm going to check with a few more shops but it does not look promising.
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: outlawincorporated on August 17, 2019, 08:59:28 PM
MORSEL.

just to stir you up......

regards.

PHILL BERESFORD
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: 64.5gcl on August 17, 2019, 11:54:17 PM
thanks for the info, guys. Let me know what you find out John.

Glenn
Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: Morsel on August 19, 2019, 08:28:45 PM
MORSEL.

just to stir you up......

regards.

PHILL BERESFORD
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.

Haha, funny Phill, haven't been on here for a few days so just seeing this now. I look forward to you stirring it up more.

Jason

Title: Re: '65 styled wheel vs. '66 styled wheels
Post by: 64.5gcl on September 03, 2019, 11:17:19 PM
if those are new OEM wheels still in the boxes, I'm way jealous.

After looking at it further, I think the idea of re-chroming the whole wheel is going to be questionable so I guess I'll stay with the chrome that is on the wheels, polish it up and re-paint the recessed areas. With that in mind, this photo  shows a wheel with the areas around the bolt holes in black and I'm wondering if this is what I need to be doing to mine. Was this correct for 64.5?

I've seen another thread dealing with the color of the recessed areas on the various dates for the wheels so I'll go there to review it for my July  9th 64.5 so as not to start the conversation  again here.

Thanks.

Glenn