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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1969 Mustang => Topic started by: ruger on July 28, 2017, 10:41:38 AM
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Just for clarification. The undercarriage of my 69 Dearborn appears to be a dark green metallic. The inner fender wells and the firewall on mine were the gray color. I would be correct in returning the exact colors to this car, correct? I was under the impression after reading a few threads that the slop gray would carry throughout the undercarriage as well. This is my first rodeo in the concours field. Just wanna be correct. Thanks.
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Just for clarification. The undercarriage of my 69 Dearborn appears to be a dark green metallic. The inner fender wells and the firewall on mine were the gray color. I would be correct in returning the exact colors to this car, correct? I was under the impression after reading a few threads that the slop gray would carry throughout the undercarriage as well. This is my first rodeo in the concours field. Just wanna be correct. Thanks.
Fire wall and engine compartment or typically painted semi gloss black. Firewall back underneath is typically is the slop paint (Dearborn) which although typically has gray in it could have a mixture of green metallic also.
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Thanks Bob, the car is Silver Jade. The green underneath is a bit darker than that. Thought I should have mentioned that in the first post. Could have been Silver Jade with some darker paint mixed in. Thanks again.
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As mentioned in other treads. The floor (from approx the firewall rearward) reward by jets mounted below the moving body with what we refer to as slop gray to just before the rear cross member. There are some identifiable periods in 69 Dearborn where a red oxide epoxy primer was used instead of the slop for some unknown reason
Then from the firewall forward normally a red oxide epoxy primer was applied to the wheel side of the wheel wells and to some of the engine compartment are panels in the area. Again there are some exceptions during short periods of time were a version of slop was applied to the front wheel wells instead of the red oxide but these are very limited and not IMHO typical
The the engine compartment was painted black on the inner surfaces, firewall below the cowl pinch weld down ward (and above after a specific time period) This was after after exterior panels were primed with a light gray primer surfacer then exterior body color. The front of the radiator support was painted when they painted the engine compartment and often this black carried around (on both sides) to the forward inner fender panel
Emailed you a couple of files. Let me know if you don't get them
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My Candy Apple Red GT350 FB built around June 12, 1969 had red-oxide primer. Could it be possible that exterior color played a part in determining primer? Just curious.
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My Candy Apple Red GT350 FB built around June 12, 1969 had red-oxide primer. Could it be possible that exterior color played a part in determining primer? Just curious.
Guess by stating "around June 12..." you don't have the exact date from a Marti report.
Now just want to be sure that your not looking at the front wheel wells, front frame rails, base of the firewall and those forward surfaces.
Not from our understanding or examples. There would have been no reason for having on hand multiple undercarriage and firewall forward undercarriage colors since there was no concerns about how things looked in hidden, from normal view, areas. That is why bare steel was not coated, runs in paint and bare (unpainted) metal areas were uncoated in these areas
The findings more align with time periods and in turn supply at individual plants at this time
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My Candy Apple Red GT350 FB built around June 12, 1969 had red-oxide primer. Could it be possible that exterior color played a part in determining primer? Just curious.
Red oxide definitely out of the ordinary for that time period. Hopefully Jeff has some examples cataloged for that time period to corroborate what you are seeing. I am skeptical that what you are seeing is factory red oxide primer on the floorpans void of no slop paint for that time period. I have seen a redish shade of slop paint before however.
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Yes, I do have the marti and lois eminger documentation. its been a long time since I have looked at it. its around june 12, 1969 is close enough for this topic. When I got my car years ago I documented all things. That was one of the things I remember clearly was the red-oxide primer with candy apple red over spray...and undercoating/sound deadener in areas as well.
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Can we assume Dearborn also?
That was what he posted in the first post ;)
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Red oxide definitely out of the ordinary for that time period. Hopefully Jeff has some examples cataloged for that time period to corroborate what you are seeing.
Sorry looked at my files and notes and can't place another (than your report) in that time period. Doesn't sound like you took pictures to document what you found unfortunately
Now at the same time I do have an owner that reported red oxide was
As Bob mentioned there is possibly a chance that what you saw was a batch color that for some reason was more reddish and that was what was used
Here is an example of such a finish Unfortunately the poster did not provide anymore information that the year, model and plant :()
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-070817170739-7846809.jpeg)
For comparison here is a red oxide 69 Dearborn example
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/7/6-070817194154-78472494.jpeg)
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Your car should always be the guide. Dont ever doing something during the restoration because a judge told you to. I have judged and shown cars for 30 years, good research always trumps a judge.
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Jeff,
Thanks for the posting with the redish-grayish and red-oxide undercarriage color photos. My car was definitely closer to the red-oxide primer color, as in area of undercoating flaked off you can see fresher color of red-oxide primer. Over the years the red-oxide faded i assume.
Again thanks,
Nils
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The the engine compartment was painted black on the inner surfaces, firewall below the cowl pinch weld down ward (and above after a specific time period)
My 69 Coupe according to the Marti report was built 11/26/68 & the cowl above the pinch weld is body color, meadowlark yellow.
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My 69 Coupe according to the Marti report was built 11/26/68 & the cowl above the pinch weld is body color, meadowlark yellow.
Is this for the 69 NJ car in your signature? Yes that is what would be expected but the discussion is about 69 Dearborn cars ;)
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In general when the black paint was applied to the engine compartment and radiator support, etc. , how was the already painted body protected from overspray?
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In general when the black paint was applied to the engine compartment and radiator support, etc. , how was the already painted body protected from overspray?
Have no idea. Have not been able to find one of the original painters and can't find any evidence of taping, masking or anything that would indicate what was used or how it was done. Would believe that size of tip and lower pressure was different (less) than what was used on the exterior and trunk areas. Like the pinch weld black out producing less overspray but that can't be the whole answer
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Hey guys!
New to the forum and in the process of restoring a 69 Mach 1, R-code.
Car is a Dearborn built car on 14th of March.
This is what mine looked like underneath. Would you say it’s oxide red? (Body color is Candy Apple Red).
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This is what mine looked like underneath. Would you say it’s oxide red? (Body color is Candy Apple Red).
Need to look further inboard near the center of the car. The areas your showed face outward and likely have allot or some exterior paint on them - can reach a long ways. Find three spots at least. One maybe in the driveline tunnel, once over the rear end and one under the rear seat platform. Remove the sound deadener if there, all the grime and take a little light polishing compound, to remove any over spray and compare those.
And welcome to the site :)
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I checked the drive line tunnel and scarped the sound deadener off, did show any particular color, would probably say it looked like a greyish tone. Could it be that my car was painted slop grey?
Attached a picture of the inner side.
Also attached a picture of the right outer wheel well. Looks like pure metal, oxide and then body color.
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I checked the drive line tunnel and scarped the sound deadener off, did show any particular color, would probably say it looked like a greyish tone. Could it be that my car was painted slop grey?
Attached a picture of the inner side.
Yes it appears to be one of the versions of batch grey as we would expect for a car built at Dearborn during the same time period
Also attached a picture of the right outer wheel well. Looks like pure metal, oxide and then body color.
Yes for that area that is what we would expect to see. Just the painter carrying the body color into what would become the front wheel well opening. How far forward would depend on what that painter did that day, on that car and on that side of the car. Other side could be the same or fade away at a different point
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Yes it appears to be one of the versions of slop grey as we would expect for a car built at Dearborn during the same time period
Yes for that area that is what we would expect to see. Just the painter carrying the body color into what would become the front wheel well opening. How far forward would depend on what that painter did that day, on that car and on that side of the car. Other side could be the same or fade away at a different point
Thanks for the valuable info and knowledge. Appreciate it a lot!