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Title: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: jgkurz on August 24, 2017, 05:57:09 PM
Hi Folks,

I have a quick question regarding the routing of my battery ground cable. My car is a 1969 Mach1 Q Code 428CJ/C6 built in Dearborn on Feb 5, 69. 

Should run run the ground cable over the top of the battery then down to the engine mount  or  from the ground post then beside the battery down to the engine mount? How was it done by Ford?

Thank you,
John
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: rockhouse66 on August 24, 2017, 06:18:11 PM
I vote for beside the battery.  Maybe there are some "period" photos around that would provide a definitive answer.
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: jgkurz on August 24, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
I vote for beside the battery.  Maybe there are some "period" photos around that would provide a definitive answer.

I have looked for old pics but so far haven't found any of that particular area. I am hoping beside the is answer as well.  :)

If it should be beside then which side? fender side or radiator side? These newer restoration pics show the cable beside the fender.

(https://assets.hemmings.com/story_image/41357-500-0.jpg)

(http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/35545279+w650+h650+cr1+st0/mump-1112-01-how-to-troubleshoot-your-charging-system.jpg)
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: Brian Conway on August 24, 2017, 07:35:50 PM
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=271.msg87225#msg87225  I also ran the neg. cable through the lower ' D ' Bracket before grounding to the block.  Brian
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: jwc66k on August 24, 2017, 08:44:41 PM
I have looked for old pics but so far haven't found any of that particular area. I am hoping beside the is answer as well.  :)

If it should be beside then which side? fender side or radiator side? These newer restoration pics show the cable beside the fender.

(https://assets.hemmings.com/story_image/41357-500-0.jpg)

(http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/35545279+w650+h650+cr1+st0/mump-1112-01-how-to-troubleshoot-your-charging-system.jpg)
Two different power and ground terminal locations on the batteries?
Jim
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: jgkurz on August 24, 2017, 09:00:28 PM
Thank you Brian. Your post from 2016 was just what I needed.
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: J_Speegle on August 24, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
This should help.  Regular production line car from 1969. Almost forgot I had these until you asked the question

Way I remember them and have run them


Hope they help


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/8/6-240817212339-81841662.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/8/6-240817212341-81861087.jpeg)
 
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: jgkurz on August 25, 2017, 11:27:25 AM
While we are talking about the battery ground cable I have another question. I have seen the battery ground cable connected in two spots. Some are to the engine mount stud and some are bolted to the block behind the alternator. Which is correct? My Osborne manual seems to show battery ground connected directly to the block.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4381/35987461003_261b04bd9e_z.jpg)



 (https://flic.kr/p/WQ69nz)
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: jwc66k on August 25, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
I have seen the battery ground cable connected in two spots. Some are to the engine mount stud and some are bolted to the block behind the alternator.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4381/35987461003_261b04bd9e_z.jpg)
 (https://flic.kr/p/WQ69nz)
I would think the engine mount "stud" (?) location would be an attachment made in haste due to a lost ground bolt.
Jim
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: Vcode on August 25, 2017, 04:25:35 PM
I did mine to the block.
Here's some cable routing posts.

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=3154.0

Brian has a shot of his in this post.
https://www.428cobrajet.org/forum/index.php?topic=22787.0


Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: J_Speegle on August 25, 2017, 04:58:17 PM
Goes to the block - the reason the stud is designed for like other Ford engines.

To the motor mount is just someones shade tree fix or easy way
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: jgkurz on August 25, 2017, 05:39:41 PM
Thank you. Hoping to get the car running this weekend!
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: Brian Conway on August 25, 2017, 10:41:33 PM
This should help.  Regular production line car from 1969. Almost forgot I had these until you asked the question

Way I remember them and have run them


Hope they help


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/8/6-240817212339-81841662.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/8/6-240817212341-81861087.jpeg)
    Thank you Jeff.  Those two pictures seem to depict, accurately, the correct battery cable installation.  Brian
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing
Post by: J_Speegle on August 25, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
    Thank you Jeff.  Those two pictures seem to depict, accurately, the correct battery cable installation.  Brian

Lets hope so - that's the goal    ;)

Interestingly (a subject for another thread) the difference in the hold downs. Wonder if Dearborn and other plants had a running change during the year. Or maybe I just missed that class   or some other detail has pushed it out of my memory  LOL
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: specialed on August 28, 2017, 11:52:07 AM
The photo with the 70 dodb  plastic hold down bracket could be a early70 cj car ?
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: J_Speegle on August 29, 2017, 05:18:49 PM
The photo with the 70 dodb  plastic hold down bracket could be a early70 cj car ?

Here is a wider look at the same picture from the magazine.  Looks to be 69 style shock towers but what do you think?

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/8/6-290817161755-8587514.jpeg)
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: Brian Conway on August 29, 2017, 05:59:10 PM
Looking at where the horns are located it would seem to be SCJ car ?  Missing the oil cooler, using wing nuts on the air cleaner, corner of the forward-upper right C9 valve cover is missing ? The service decal on my Metuchen car is vertical.  This one appears horizontal.  Maybe a clue there  ?  The only hint that it might be a 70 are the shock tower braces.  I can barely make out the extra bracing at the firewall side ?  Gotta squint real hard.  Brian
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: J_Speegle on August 29, 2017, 06:21:11 PM
Lack of hood pins is my first wonderment as well as the moved and no cooler(just like 69 Boss 302s) There does seem to be a depression in the rubber radiator seal around the passenger side hole

Inspection stickers suggest Dearborn as well as the stapled on radiator seal.  The 69s also used had the reinforced shock tower braces

Not sure what your seeing when you refer to the valve cover is missing.

69 style shock tower braces, later cast 69 - 70 valve cover style

Being a magazine car could explain the wing nuts on the top section of the shaker. So "fine tuning" of these cars was the nor to get better reviews by the writers ;)


Looking at where the horns are located it would seem to be SCJ car ?  Missing the oil cooler, using wing nuts on the air cleaner, corner of the forward-upper right C9 valve cover is missing ? The service decal on my Metuchen car is vertical.  This one appears horizontal.  Maybe a clue there  ?  The only hint that it might be a 70 are the shock tower braces.  I can barely make out the extra bracing at the firewall side ?  Gotta squint real hard.  Brian
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: Brian Conway on August 29, 2017, 07:09:09 PM
The valve broken cover is a smog pump hose super imposed ?   Any clues with the battery heat shield or no ' caution ' on the radiator shroud?  Brian
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: J_Speegle on August 29, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
The valve broken cover

Looks like the bottom cover may have been bumped - just needs to be pushed up and reseated


is a smog pump hose super imposed ? 



Don't see anything that would indicate that.  Touching up pictures at the time would not be the norm for a car magazine



Any clues with the battery heat shield or no ' caution ' on the radiator shroud?  Brian

Heat shield has the bump up lip, it appears) on the long end suggesting that its a C7 (correct for up to 69) rather than the 70. The CAUTION FAN sticker would have been installed if the car had been serviced after 1971 at a dealership or the owner applied one after receiving a letter n the mail from Ford in 1972 or replaced the shroud with a service replacement boxed after 1971 (still had to take the sticker and stick it on the shroud in the early versions) .

Not a factory decal placed on new cars other than Boss 429s with the open (very small in comparison) finger guard
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: Brian Conway on August 29, 2017, 07:42:35 PM
No ' Cobra Jet ' on the shaker scoop ?  Just an observation.  That hose coming off the air cleaner base, right side, and going down behind the snorkel and heat riser is what ?   Brian
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: J_Speegle on August 29, 2017, 07:52:24 PM
............. That hose coming off the air cleaner base, right side, and going down behind the snorkel and heat riser is what ?   Brian

That would be a hose for the vapor recovery system (California thing in 70

Picture is a confusion or mix. Possibly an engineering or test car for multiple 70 features that was released to the media

Wish I had a copy of the complete article to at least have a time frame and some context to measure things by - even though you can't believe what was in print  ::)
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: krelboyne on August 29, 2017, 08:46:05 PM
That would be a hose for the vapor recovery system (California thing in 70)

Picture is a confusion or mix. Possibly an engineering or test car for multiple 70 features that was released to the media

Wish I had a copy of the complete article to at least have a time frame and some context to measure things by - even though you can't believe what was in print  ::)

Ding!, that is what I was thinking. California 1970 paper tube, going to charcoal canister. Would also say it is an automatic car, based on vacuum advance.
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: Steve.chatman on December 23, 2017, 03:52:39 PM
Would a 69 GT350 battery ground rout the same way?
Title: Re: Battery Ground Cable Routing - 69
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 23, 2017, 05:14:50 PM
Would a 69 GT350 battery ground rout the same way?
If you mean outside of the hold down bracket then yes.  You can see much else that would apply in the pictures. A better illustrated routing for the 351W is in the electrical manual of the assemblyline manual set.