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Title: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: 69bossnut on February 27, 2013, 06:18:13 AM
I can now offer this service. Pretty much the same deal as Bill offered. You can contact me directly to discuss you needs. References available if needed.
Thanks,
David Davis
DSD Restorations LLC
870-780-4999
dsdresto @gmail.com
www.dsdrestorationsllc.com
Title: Re: Re: 65-70 upper control arms
Post by: app01 on February 27, 2013, 08:40:55 AM
FYI: I recently had  David @ DSD rivet my upper ball joints, as well as install new bushings in my perches   for  my 70 Boss 2. They came out great! I have  done other stuff with him as well and is recommended.

Tony
Title: Re: Re: 65-70 upper control arms
Post by: lscman on May 07, 2013, 09:23:22 AM
What is the cost to do these?
Title: Re: Re: 65-70 upper control arms
Post by: DM_1964 on May 08, 2013, 12:05:08 AM
I can now offer this service. Pretty much the same deal as Bill offered. You can contact me directly to discuss you needs. References available if needed.

Hi David, can you please post some of your Control Arm work? either here or on your website...
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: 69bossnut on May 13, 2013, 02:23:21 AM
The cost do do these run $1250.00 for upper, lower & spring perches using your cores, plus shipping. If your cores are to badly pitted I can supply good cores for an additional $500.00. I can restore any suspension or steering component, so call or email with any questions & prices.
The photos below are some components I recently restored for a Boss 429. Mores pics posted on my site.
Thanks for the interest,
David
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: lscman on May 30, 2013, 06:27:44 PM
How much is it to do the ball joint rivets upper and lower 65-66 only as that is incredible high price to do what's shown?
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: Cobrajet428 on May 30, 2013, 10:23:59 PM
How about some details as to exactly what is done to restore these parts - what parts are used as replacements for bushings, ball joints, seals, and what is used to restore finishes - tumbled, blasted and how they are preserved - bluing, paint, ???

For this kind of cash a guy wants to know exactly what he's getting.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: 69bossnut on May 31, 2013, 02:47:22 AM
lscman,
Just to rivet upper & lower ball joints would run $150.00 plus shipping back to you. That is with you supplying all parts except rivets.

Cobrajet428,
For this service all parts are stripped to bare frames. Parts are tumbled using 2 different medias, first one to remove any rust & minor pitting. The second round of tumbling media brings back the metal to a natural stamped appearance. All bare metal parts are protected with a rust preservative. All spot welds are reproduced using gun bluing solution. Lower control arm bushings are replaced using a Moog bushing. The lower ball joints are disassembled inspected for any wear. Neccessary parts are replaced if needed. Lower control arms & uppers depending on what year are dipped in a black epoxy primer then dipped in a quality semi-gloss enamel. Upper control arm shafts are replaced using parts made in USA & are original equipment design. Upper ball joints are replaced with new Moog joints. Upper & lower dust seals are Scott Drake reproductions. Cork seals are replaced along with the ball joint dust boot retainer. Rivets are pressed with correct waffle pattern or round head depending on the year. All paint marks are reproduced if applicable.
For the spring perches same process. Bushing is replaced & crimped as originals were.
If you still have your original upper ball joints these can be rebuilt as well, if you prefer over the Moog upper joint.
I do have a very limited amount of NOS upper ball joints but that would be an additional charge, for those that wanted originals.
If you have anymore questions please don't hesitate to ask.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: bryancobb on May 31, 2013, 07:16:31 AM
David,

Are you pretty good at welding?  I have my OEM UCA's but a PO got ham-fisted with a grinder when replacing the ball joints in the past.  I'd like to have the grind marks filled with weld metal and the repair made invisible with a Dremmel and Roloc etc.  Could you?

Also, how much faith do you have in the ball joint rubber boots you are using?  I installed concours repops on my tie rods.  They were the best ones in NPD's catalog and they cracked open in a few months.

Your price is fair IF the rubbers give longevity similar to the OEM ones.  I would hope 5 years or so on car-show driven type cars.

Also, do you have 2 splined Rockford fine thread perch bolts and correct nuts for a MAR 66 Metuchen car?  Two of mine had the heads popped off.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: 69bossnut on May 31, 2013, 03:01:20 PM
Bryan,
Yes I am very good at welding. I would like to see some pictures before I tell you that I can repair it properly, without it being noticeable. The problem you run into is the welded area of metal is just a little different than the control arm metal. If it is small areas it will not be that noticeable once tumbled & oiled. If it can't be repaired without being detectable I do have some very nice 66 cores.
I am not sure on the control arm boots as they are the only ones available with the numbers on them. They are definitely a little thinner rubber than the originals. More so on the tie rod boots.
I do have a new old stock set of C2OZ upper ball joints with the dust boot engineering number C4OA.
Please send me a pic to my email dsdresto@gmail.com
I do not have the Rockford fine threaded splined bolts but I should be able to come up with some.
Thanks,
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: Stangly on May 31, 2013, 08:54:38 PM
How much to do a slave cylinder.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 01, 2013, 12:59:56 AM
Bryan,
Yes I am very good at welding. I would like to see some pictures before I tell you that I can repair it properly, without it being noticeable. The problem you run into is the welded area of metal is just a little different than the control arm metal. If it is small areas it will not be that noticeable once tumbled & oiled. If it can't be repaired without being detectable I do have some very nice 66 cores.
I am not sure on the control arm boots as they are the only ones available with the numbers on them. They are definitely a little thinner rubber than the originals. More so on the tie rod boots.
I do have a new old stock set of C2OZ upper ball joints with the dust boot engineering number C4OA.
Please send me a pic to my email dsdresto@gmail.com
I do not have the Rockford fine threaded splined bolts but I should be able to come up with some.
Thanks,
Dave, I sent a PM.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: 69bossnut on June 01, 2013, 01:37:55 AM
Stangly,
The typical rebuild runs $125.00. This includes tumbling the cylinder, replacing the boot & clamp if needed on the stud end, replace the rod dust boot, replicating the weld seam color & replacing the seals on the shaft rod. If the cylinder rod needs replaced it would run an additional $125.00.
That's assuming your cylinder is not excessively pitted or dented. I can replace that outer tube also.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: lscman on June 09, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
I'm wondering why the price is so high as you can buy NOS stuff cheaper then having A arms redone?
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 09, 2013, 08:12:54 PM
I'm wondering why the price is so high as you can buy NOS stuff cheaper then having A arms redone?
Only with the correct boots very very rarly ;) . The typical stuff for sale is all mid 70's on service replacements with the wrong boots and that is with 65/66 which is more prevelent. The 67-69 uppers are non existant NOS and the lowers are the boot problem regardless of 67 ,68/70 if you find them NOS.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: J_Speegle on June 09, 2013, 11:47:07 PM
I'm wondering why the price is so high as you can buy NOS stuff cheaper then having A arms redone?

As Bob service replacements mentioned the details are often different (like other parts) than assembly line. Depending on year of the car being built and when the service part was made rivet design and style, jack tabs, boots (as mentioned) paint marks, ball joint design......Always hate seeing an owner spend allot of money purchasing what they think is a great part, placing it on their car then finding out differently at a judged show. Just one of the reason for forums like this one ;)
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: caspian65 on June 10, 2013, 11:22:51 AM
Agree regarding service replacement suspension parts.  Seen a lot of folks install these and not realize they are incorrect when the fine details are taken into consideration.

For anyone wanting them absolutely correct, I see no choice other than restoring originals.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: DM_1964 on June 11, 2013, 01:43:37 AM
Is page 1 of this topic not working for anyone else?
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: caspian65 on June 11, 2013, 09:41:21 AM
Is page 1 of this topic not working for anyone else?

Just tried and it works for me.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: Stangly on June 11, 2013, 11:30:23 PM
+1
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: lscman on July 19, 2013, 02:41:05 PM
I agree about getting the proper info about A-arms but why is the early cars price of resto so high?
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: J_Speegle on July 19, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
I agree about getting the proper info about A-arms but why is the early cars price of resto so high?

Believe its the investment in the press needed for the rivets that needs to be paid for through the service. Just my guess Around here that runs $60 per arm so $240 for all four just for the installation of rivets
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: outlawincorporated on July 20, 2013, 04:11:43 AM
And to add to that -- where 64-66 are concerned try and find correct C4 boot upper ball joints.  and then non pitted original dated control arms and your starting to get some big expenses towards a restoration costs.  Yes incorrect NOS upper and lower service arms are also bringing big dollars as well. it comes down to the owner and what they are willing to spend, I think most concours inspired people would go with the latter service ones but there are some people like myself who will try and source the correct assembly line parts for there restorations.

regards.

PHILL BERESFORD.
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: lscman on August 29, 2013, 08:02:30 PM
I guess it's nice if you have deep pockets but most people are average working guys who look for a reasonable method of repairing,rebuilding or replacing parts.I'm not one who wants to pay to build a house because I'm one of the first or second people who wants something done and the guy doing it wants me to pay for the house!
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: Bob Gaines on August 29, 2013, 08:22:05 PM
I guess it's nice if you have deep pockets but most people are average working guys who look for a reasonable method of repairing,rebuilding or replacing parts.I'm not one who wants to pay to build a house because I'm one of the first or second people who wants something done and the guy doing it wants me to pay for the house!
The written word can be difficult to interpret . I hope I am mis interpreting your post but It reads like sour grapes because the cost is too high. It is about choices. I think a lot of information is given away freely here in a effort to help with reasonable alternatives for repairing, rebuilding or replacing parts.  You can choose to do it the way the majority of people who want the correct look do it .You can choose to figure out a way to do it another way on a budget or choose not do it at all because you think the cost is too much. I hope you find the choice that is best for you.
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: lscman on September 17, 2013, 07:43:05 PM
Club type forums are created just for that reason to give someone who needs help knowledge or you could charge for it I guess at which noone would join unless they had deep pockets.No sour grapes but you can surely price yourself out of any work unless you have deep pockets and most people who collect Shelbys don't have that problem!
Title: Re: 65-70 upper control arm restoration
Post by: acman63 on February 08, 2014, 06:36:39 PM
Thought Id chime in on this post even though its pretty old.  Even though parts are NOS more than likely they are service parts  for one and two  you cant just bolt on NOS parts that are pushing 50 years old. They still have to be detailed for correct concourse appearance. I just spent 4 hrs redoing a pair of nos 67 lowers and now I still need to rivet on some grease boots as they were cracked and brittle.  Assemblyline parts are most of the time different than NOS service parts. Daves prices are very fair IMHO