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Offline bryancobb

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Perches
« on: November 29, 2012, 04:42:56 PM »
I think I didn't do so well on this purchase.

The perches were advertised as "NEW NOS" and for 67 to 70.

I didn't do my homework!  What is the difference in what I need for my MAR 66 Metuchen  C-Code, and these.

These appear to be genuine Ford but they look like they have been glass-beaded and the bushings don't look like the new
ones I bought from the Ford dealer in the early 90's.  The nuts have wrench marks like they have been installed on a
car and then removed.

I paid $150 for them.  That's OK if they are not "refurbished originals."

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Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: Perches
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2012, 05:08:02 PM »
Lokks like they are maybe later service replacements gthat have been rebuilt

Bushing and that area are different. Coil spring ear or finger is shaped differently

Here are a couple of shots of the originals from one of Mike Murry's cars (very low mileage car) to illustrate




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Re: Perches
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2012, 06:01:55 PM »
Thanks Jeff,

Here's the wrench-marks on the nuts.  The seller, who goes by anglemyer123 on Ebay, "implies" that they have not been glass beaded by saying  "If you will check that Concurs Spring Perches have no paint on them.  There is a clear metal coating on these Spring Perches from keeping them from rusting."

He admits to doing "refurbishment" on them by saying "The rubber was replaced because it was almost 50 years old and unuseable."

These omitted details were revealed ONLY AFTER I RECEIVED THEM AND QUESTIONED HIM.

I'm contemplating stating in the feedback that the items WERE NOT AS DESCRIBED, since I willingly paid a premium for them to be as described.  Would that be fair?
They ARE nice and I intend to use them, but I would not have paid $150 for them if I had been told they had been refurbed ahead of time.

« Last Edit: November 29, 2012, 06:10:10 PM by bryancobb »
66 Metuch Conv
Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: Perches
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2012, 09:00:35 PM »
I'd send them back for a refund.  Look like repro's that have been refinished in my opinion.  Those are wrong fastening nuts for 65-66 also.
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Re: Perches
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2012, 11:52:03 PM »
Pics of some original perches I restored
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Re: Perches
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2012, 06:32:29 AM »
Thanks guys! 

Charles.  They are FORD oval stamped and the stamp is on the curve of the part so it couldn't have been done except at manufacture.
Thanks for the pictures of the REAL ones for a 65.

My worn out ones are just like yours with the correct nuts, but they do not have the FORD oval stamp?  Where did you get the correct rubber bushings to restore them?  You have helped me decide to sen them back for refund.

I hope the seller is easy to work with on the return.

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Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: Perches
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2012, 09:29:46 AM »
Those are original bushings.  Some later service parts had the Ford stamp, but the originals didn't
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Re: Perches
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2012, 11:50:15 AM »
Here's my originals that I removed.  They are really nice but I splashed soapy water on them and they surface rusted very quickly.

They didn't have the FORD oval so I incorrectly thought they were not OEM.  Now Charles has convinced me they are.
I didn't know the OEM didn't have the oval.

Charles, how much to restore these for me like you did yours? 

66 Metuch Conv
Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: Perches
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2012, 07:54:46 PM »
One of Mine has the Rockford Grade 8 Bolts like the ones Charles posted.  One has some kind of headless stud which seems to be swedged in?
All four of the nuts are the correct ones.

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Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: Perches
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2012, 12:33:14 AM »
If I remember correctly the bolts had a splined shank. The one looks like the head snapped off.
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Re: Perches
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2012, 10:52:16 AM »
If I remember correctly the bolts had a splined shank.

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Re: Perches
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2012, 02:26:37 PM »
Here are pics of mine, showing the splines
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Re: Perches
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2012, 03:04:29 PM »
I can tell the 2 Rockford bolts have splines.

The two with no head are a big QUESTION-MARK??
The surface of both of them are perfectly level, and are within 0,002" of being the exact amount below the
surface of the shaft,   not like a head popped off.  The shanks have splines.
66 Metuch Conv
Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: Perches
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2012, 07:24:29 PM »
The two with no head are a big QUESTION-MARK??
The surface of both of them are perfectly level, and are within 0,002" of being the exact amount below the
surface of the shaft,   not like a head popped off.  The shanks have splines.

I vote - part of the bushing assembly - replacement
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Re: Perches
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2012, 12:30:46 AM »
I vote - part of the bushing assembly - replacement
Likely scenario  ;) .Good call.
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