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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: Rossco on March 05, 2017, 07:28:52 AM
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Morning I have a 1967 San Jose A code car just wondered what the correct available tire would be the Marti report states as Black wall would it be correct for a Firestone wide oval or a Goodyear Polyglas?
Yours Ross
UK
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I would like to know this answer as well. Shelby was using Goodyear. I wonder if they were supplying Ford at San Jose as well?
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I think when your referring to Polyglas your thinking of the current versions being reproduced which would be incorrect for a 67
Unless your car came with the optional wider tire (that caused problems for Ford that year) then it got the narrower tires Depending on when your car was built. If earlier in the year dealers had to modify car Mustangs because of the issue on later cars Ford modified them. So sometimes (lots of owner modified cars out there for really wide tires) you can use the car to maybe get an idea if what the car may have come with
Standard tire appears (from the limited number of original tires still on these cars) to be Firestone Deluxe Champions on may of these cars as a standard base tire from what I'm seeing. What was used on Shelbys at the end of their build process would not have any bearing on what Mustangs received IMHO
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Did not Firestone and Goodyear both make a wide oval tire? The Marti reports only say F70-14 Wide Oval tires and no manufacturer. If this has no bearing on the original posters question then I apologize for hijacking the thread.
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Jeff, so to clarify I could use the Firestone wide Ovals and you would be happy with that?
Ross
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I say this because these are going to be the closest American tire I can get in the UK but your input is again welcome in a resolution
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Did not Firestone and Goodyear both make a wide oval tire? The Marti reports only say F70-14 Wide Oval tires and no manufacturer. ............
Heard that before but doing a little homework I can't find anything to back that up did find
From a Hemmings Daily article
"The Wide Oval competed for sales with Goodyear’s Wide Tread tire (and later the Polyglas GT) and U.S. Royal’s Tiger Paw among others, which were also original equipment on myriad performance cars of the period................
In its September 1967 issue, Car and Driver magazine tested six popular high performance tires. They included cross-ply (bias-ply) tires—D70-14 Firestone Wide Oval, D70-14 Goodyear Wide Tread and ..............................."
Wide tread would match the markings I see on some Goodyears of the period
Jeff, so to clarify I could use the Firestone wide Ovals and you would be happy with that?
At this point I would not question seeing a set used on such a car with the Marti report describing such
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That last statement is a key point Does wide oval show up as an option on the Marti report?
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I have a 1968 options book that has a tire section. It give a lot of construction and performance information but does not mention manufacturers.
I wonder if any one reproduces the Wide Oval Radial Ply. Does any one know who made them?
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I have a 1968 options book that has a tire section. It give a lot of construction and performance information but does not mention manufacturers.
I wonder if any one reproduces the Wide Oval Radial Ply. Does any one know who made them?
But off thread but no I'm not aware of any but haven't looked
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One consideration, Harvey Firestone and Henry Ford were friends and had a good business relationship back in the 30's. Firestone could have been "one" of the suppliers Ford used for 67 Mustangs, and I remember my 73 Torino had Firestones. Just some thoughts.
Jim
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................ Firestone could have been "one" of the suppliers Ford used for 67 Mustangs, and I remember my 73 Torino had Firestones. Just some thoughts.
I can confirm that Firestone was one of the suppliers
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I have a 1968 options book that has a tire section. It give a lot of construction and performance information but does not mention manufacturers.
I wonder if any one reproduces the Wide Oval Radial Ply. Does any one know who made them?[/quote
]I don't know if this is what you're referring to but Coker Tire makes a radial Firestone Wide Oval radial.
https://www.cokertire.com/tires/styles/muscle/firestone-wide-oval-radial-rwl.html
TOB
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In looking at the Ford Sales brochure for 1967 (which admittedly is not always what was built) the tires were 6.95x14 blackwall or whitewall. The GT had the F70x14 Wide Oval as standard. This tire was also optional on all V8's. Radial tires were optional on the GT and all V8's. If you don't have a price next to the Marti report that says "blackwall tires" my guess is that you had the standard BSW 6.95x14 tires.
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Here's a tire usage chart that I created based upon the 1967 Mustang Pricing sheets. I'm not sure who made the 185 R14 Radial tires, but I believe all of the other tires listed on the chart were Firestone brand tires...
I've also added the Vehicle Order Image (VOI) codes on the chart as well. If you look at the long string of numbers across the top of your Marti report, these codes will appear at the positions called-out in the VOI.
The second image below shows an example of the "F" code being called-out in VOI position 48, and the "2" code being called-out in VOI position 49. In this case, the "F" would correspond to the F70-14 Wide Oval tire, and the "2" would correspond to the White Side Wall...
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Here's a tire usage chart that I created based upon the 1967 Mustang Pricing sheets. I'm not sure who made the 185 R14 Radial tires, but I believe all of the other tires listed on the chart were Firestone brand tires...
Would have to disagree based on the original tires we've seen over the years. Like most or many parts Ford disliked using on source for anything believing issues with a single company would hold up (hold hostage) his companies production. That is why he made, purchased allot of unrelated companies and property, ........ to get around those potential issues
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I have a 1967 San Jose A code car just wondered what the correct available tire would be the Marti report states as Black wall would it be correct for a Firestone wide oval or a Goodyear Polyglas?
In your case, a 67 "A" code, a standard bias ply tire (735-14 or 695-14) was probably used, either Firestone or Goodyear, not wide oval or Polyglas. You are really limited by what's available, not by what Ford originally had choices of. One source today is Coker Tire https://www.cokertire.com/ I am not advocating them as a source (although I have bought from them in the past, they're good). See what is available based on their catalog. US Rubber was a minor supplier, mostly for Dual Red Line bias ply for your time period.
Like most or many parts Ford disliked using on source for anything believing issues with a single company would hold up (hold hostage) his companies production.
That's the real world, the Ford motor company's business practices.
Being you're in the UK, you have a shipping problem and probably a big tax/tariff/import fee to contend with, so I can appreciate you reluctance to buy without research.
Jim
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Would have to disagree based on the original tires we've seen over the years. Like most or many parts Ford disliked using on source for anything believing issues with a single company would hold up (hold hostage) his companies production. That is why he made, purchased allot of unrelated companies and property, ........ to get around those potential issues
I stand corrected - thanks Jeff!
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So are we all agreed that we cannot get the original black wall tires.
That the only option for me would be the Coker reproduction Firestone Wide ovals?
Ross
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So are we all agreed that we cannot get the original black wall tires.
That the only option for me would be the Coker reproduction Firestone Wide ovals?
Would not put it that way You have options. A few thoughts and possibilities
- First the wide ovals may cause clearance problems. They did in 67 for the Mustang
-Is it better to have the "correct" supplier or the size if compromise is what you end up with?
Ideas for others to comment on and you to consider
1- U.S. Royal Tires | Redline - are available in 6.95 x 14. You would have to cover the red line and possible mount that side in So right size - wrong maker
2- BF Goodrich Bias Ply Tires | Blackwall are available in an optional factory size So optional size different maker
3- And as you mentioned you could use the optional white sidewall Firestone wide oval tire So optional size and not a black wall like your came with. Might be able to use the smaller (stripe) red stripe wide oval and rotate that side inward after covering the red over. Goodrich or US Royal though both use the pie edges
Many years ago (read haven't tried this for a long time) you were able to get Firestone tires still out of New Zealand. Not sure if they were selling them as trailer tires or how they were labels, but they were the old style, or at least the ones I purchased, with the pie pan edge. Not sure if they had the right style of side wall and tread for a 67 -68
Just thinking out loud
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What do you guys think of the new radial Firestone Wide Ovals that look like the bias tires? I'm surprised it took so long for the repro manufacturers to come up with something like this.
www.cokertire.com/firestone-wide-oval-radial-rwl.html
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What do you guys think of the new radial Firestone Wide Ovals that look like the bias tires? I'm surprised it took so long for the repro manufacturers to come up with something like this.
Would not look correct for the application
Just for comparison here is just part of the side wall from a period white wall wide oval
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-110317214704.jpeg)
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Jeff, is the above picture of the wide oval tire what would have been used on a car that a Marti report calls, F70-14 Wide oval white sidewall nylon tires, in bias tire form? What is the accepted replacement today for this call out?
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Jeff, is the above picture of the wide oval tire what would have been used on a car that a Marti report calls, F70-14 Wide oval white sidewall nylon tires, in bias tire form?
Yes that is what the Marti report showed and what was still in the trunk
What is the accepted replacement today for this call out?
Not sure of "acceptable". We each have our own comfort level. IMHO nothing short of one exactly like this (not focusing on the dates) would mean that I didn't have a fully restored vehicle. Currently I don't believe there is an exact reproduction and I would guess no one is calling the companies that make tires and asking when or if they are considering making what was a very popular tire. With out that option your left to use something similar but not correct. Same manufacturer, right size, close or right thread..... just doing the best you can giver the situation. I had the same problem with a 65 Shelby before they started reproducing the correct tires for them. I was able to get the right size, belted tires but without the blue dots and a different manufacturer. Parents brought them home to me from NZ as part of their luggage ::) many years ago
The situation here and in other examples, is that it is what it is and almost everyone has come up short in one specific area or detail since not everything is going to be available, but if everything was available and you could just call up and order anything, don't think these efforts would be as personally reward as it could be. It would just mean that you had a big enough check book or credit line. :)
Just my single opinion
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Again thanks for your experience Jeff. Would a similar tire with a white wall seem to make a reasonable replacement ?
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Again thanks for your experience Jeff. Would a similar tire with a white wall seem to make a reasonable replacement ?
For looks from a distance I think that the whitewall is possibly the first thing I would look to find. Narrow white walls are few so I think that narrows down the possibilities.
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Is there a white wall "width" ,(the actual white wall stripe itself), typical of the 67' model year?? Whether it was Goodyear, or Firestone? 5/8" , etc..??
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For looks from a distance I think that the whitewall is possibly the first thing I would look to find. Narrow white walls are few so I think that narrows down the possibilities.
From my experience, the field was narrow 3 years ago and is nearing extinction. I picked up Firestone FR380s but had to get a full set from three different dealers, one out of state. I think they are out of production.