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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2013, 09:24:09 PM »
I noticed the taillight housing spacers are not on this car, they are not on my unrestored 66 either and there are no marks in the paint that would lead me to believe they were ever there. Does it seem to be common they were left off of NJ cars?

Will have to look at more pictures to see if we have a pattern. 2 cars is IMHO not enough to make that assumption


Passenger side all studs and nuts with paint. Possibly the worker mixed passenger and drivers side up when doing final assembly?

Noticed the same thing and have not seen this before (not sure how you mix one side with another - but that would explain what we're seeing on this particular car
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2013, 09:40:43 AM »
I got docked at my first MCA show for that, they recommended I add them, but I am not going to do it as you can tell they were never there. My FB was built at the NJ plant April 15th btw.

Will have to look at more pictures to see if we have a pattern. 2 cars is IMHO not enough to make that assumption

Noticed the same thing and have not seen this before (not sure how you mix one side with another - but that would explain what we're seeing on this particular car

Sorry, that was your text from the original post in between the pics I should have removed that. Mine don't look like that. the studs have paint but not the nuts.


Also I checked my carpet while getting the car ready for the grand national show this week, it is the same as of your example with non sewn edges at the firewall and the qtr panel


Also take a look at my  trap door arm attachment point under the car. The inserts are there but if you notice they missed the insert on one with one of the screws.
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2013, 09:04:20 PM »
Also take a look at my  trap door arm attachment point under the car. The inserts are there but if you notice they missed the insert on one with one of the screws.

Unfortunately nothing done at NJ plant surprises me :(
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2017, 07:14:06 AM »
My 66 NJ GT Coupe is very original and numbers matching for if you need more pictures and stuff?
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2017, 05:22:04 PM »
My 66 NJ GT Coupe is very original and numbers matching for if you need more pictures and stuff?

Always happy to receive more pictures. I you want to figure out how you want to get them to me let me know. Owners from around the world have been very kind and have sent hundreds of pictures of their unrestored cars during disassembly or just current condition using CD. DVDs or online photo albums \\Thanks for thinking of me
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2017, 01:39:09 PM »
A quick question, the car appears to have a passenger side torque box ?
I thought only convertibles had them in '66 ?
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2017, 02:41:18 PM »
A quick question, the car appears to have a passenger side torque box ?
I thought only convertibles had them in '66 ?
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If your referring to the pictures in reply #3 - those were posted by another member to illustrate a point in the discussion and not from 6T09C2860xx ;)
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2017, 11:30:05 PM »
Couple of filler neck pictures added since I've uploaded then and used them in another thread.



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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #38 on: April 24, 2017, 12:32:31 PM »

Passenger side all studs and nuts with paint. Possibly the worker mixed passenger and drivers side up when doing final assembly?


Please pardon me if I missed something in another thread, but why would the driver (or passenger studs) have paint?  And whatever the reason, was this something that was done universally or just in this time frame at NJ?
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2017, 03:53:17 PM »
Please pardon me if I missed something in another thread, but why would the driver (or passenger studs) have paint?  And whatever the reason, was this something that was done universally or just in this time frame at NJ?

The end caps/quarter panel extensions as we understand the process were loosely installed (and spaced out from the body slightly) when the car was painted. For this reason the exposed studs and threads were painted when the interior of the trunk was painted. Often its not allot of paint depending on how much paint was applied to the surrounding panels and the upper corner of the trunk. This practice is fairly common all years and plants though  the years for Mustangs there are a few places and time periods where it appears this was not done but those IMHO represent very very short time windows at those plants or a mistake in the normal practices
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2017, 08:04:22 PM »
I want to bring this up again.
The end caps/quarter panel extensions as we understand the process were loosely installed (and spaced out from the body slightly) when the car was painted. For this reason the exposed studs and threads were painted when the interior of the trunk was painted. Often its not allot of paint depending on how much paint was applied to the surrounding panels and the upper corner of the trunk. This practice is fairly common all years and plants though  the years for Mustangs there are a few places and time periods where it appears this was not done but those IMHO represent very very short time windows at those plants or a mistake in the normal practices
Between the Extension and body were a flat washer and a mastic (used as a sealer to the body) washer for each stud (6 total), and a Sems type nut on the inside (also 6). (There should be overspray on them.)
What was used to keep the extension away from the body? How many? (There should be marks of some type.)
On later types (I think 65 and 66), there was a rubber seal to the body used. When did this seal get installed? (It did not get painted.)
Was the extension removed and reinstalled with the required hardware? (That's not very efficient.)
Per the assembly manual (and observations), there was a "wad" of sealer installed over the tooling holes from inside the trunk, supposedly after paint and after the extension was installed. (It should not be painted.)
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2017, 08:21:11 PM »
I want to bring this up again. Between the Extension and body were a flat washer and a mastic (used as a sealer to the body) washer for each stud (6 total), and a Sems type nut on the inside (also 6). (There should be overspray on them.)

Since where discussing NJ assembly plant practices they may have been slightly different than the other plants and different years come into play also.  But if we apply what we find on unrestored cars and other plants . No not all nuts would have overspray or paint on them nor were there always a washer between the extension and the body. 


What was used to keep the extension away from the body? How many? (There should be marks of some type.)

Don't know since I've never been able to find one of the guys to talk to them who was responsible for overseeing or assigned to the task. For San Jose it appears that the sealant itself may have provided this function



On later types (I think 65 and 66), there was a rubber seal to the body used. When did this seal get installed? (It did not get painted.)
Was the extension removed and reinstalled with the required hardware? (That's not very efficient.)

Based on what we've found it appears that the seal was applied after paint not sure if the worker had to remove the extension or was skilled enough to put it into the groove while attached.  If no hardware was used at NJ to retain the extension as it was at San Jose (one nut) then the task would have been quick and easy
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2017, 08:15:32 PM »
While fixing old dead links thought I would add some additional pictures from this car to help others.

Engine Compartment

E1 Heater motor and firewall sealant




E2 PS back of engine, automatic filler tube and other details




E3 Voltage regulator




E4 Air cleaner service decal location




E5 Buck tag and location Overspray from earlier repaint/touch up in the area




E6 Sealed electrical pass throughs on drivers side firewall




E7 Master cylinder and more electrical sealant




E8 Firewall sealant and items under master cylinder




E9 Paint inspector stamp in yellow - drivers side cowl




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A few additional  Trunk shots

T1 Trunk lid spring end retainer




T2 Routing for fuel sender wire for this plant and year




T3




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A few additional  Undercarraige shots


U1 Body color and pinch weld black out spray. Sure some of the finner overspray was removed when surface was wiped/cleaned




U2 Front wheel well sound deadener over black paint




U3 Front wheel well sound deadener over black paint  and possibly some grease or rattle can black over that  ::)

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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2017, 08:45:07 PM »
Here is a Paint OK stamp on hood from a slightly earlier unrestored car 6T09A229xxx I saw this week at a collection in Switzerland.
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Re: 6T09C2860xx - Unrestored Late 66 NJ Fastback Pictures
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2017, 09:15:06 PM »
I have that one too "KRRWIN". Go figure?
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