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Restoring - General discussions that span across many different groups of years and models => Misc Items => Topic started by: tclark on December 27, 2017, 08:42:17 PM
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I dug out my old solenoid to compare with the new one I purchased, the old one has an attachment on it anyone know what it is??
From my 65 GT Conv. attached is picture.
Thanks
Tom
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I dug out my old solenoid to compare with the new one I purchased, the old one has an attachment on it anyone know what it is??
From my 65 GT Conv. attached is picture.
Thanks
Tom
I dare say that is not the typical 65 solenoid . I have not seen that one on any year Mustang from the factory. Maybe others have. I would be interested to know what it did come from originally.
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The attachment is the circuit breaker for the convertible power lines.
Isn't it attached to the starter side of the solenoid rather than the battery side?
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The attachment is the circuit breaker for the convertible power lines.
Isn't it attached to the starter side of the solenoid rather than the battery side?
I have only seen the separate breaker that attaches to the post for the top. The one in the picture looks to be incorporated into the body of the solenoid which is what had puzzled me. If the breaker is attached to the starter side then you would only get power to raise or lower the top while starting the car.
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If you look closely, you'll see a metal flange below the circuit breaker that fits below the nut on the large post.
For some reason, I though that the solenoid looks to be upside down but looking a bit closer, it 's OK. So yes, the CB is attached to the BAT post.
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Sorry don't seem to have a picture of one off of the car
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-271217214436.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-271217214616.jpeg)
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I have only seen the separate breaker that attaches to the post for the top. The one in the picture looks to be incorporated into the body of the solenoid which is what had puzzled me. If the breaker is attached to the starter side then you would only get power to raise or lower the top while starting the car.
I changed monitors and see the separation now between the badly corroded breaker and the solenoid body which had me puzzled . Mystery solved. For me at least.
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Thanks for the info, it is attached separate from the solenoid. Now is it something i need?
Where to get new? Or could I just try to clean up and reuse?
Thanks again
Tom
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Thanks for the info, it is attached separate from the solenoid.
The circuit breaker is attached to the input side of the solenoid along with the positive battery terminal and a cable for power to the car. The threads should be 5/16-24. From 1967 on, and service replacements, the threads were 5/16-18.
Now is it something i need?
The circuit breaker is a protective device for your electrical system. Think "fuse". In 1966, Ford used a fused link, a wire that would open upon excessive current draw.
Where to get new?
Good question. It's a "limited use" item and replaced by a fused link for service. Swap meets, e-bay or from a forum seller.
Or could I just try to clean up and reuse?
Yes, until you find a replacement. You "might" be able to remove the can and get it plated dull zinc.
Jim
Jim
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To expound a bit on what Jim just added, yes, you do need this Circuit Breaker (assuming that you have a Power Top on your '65), unless you want to risk "frying" your wiring from the solenoid to switch, the switch, wiring from the switch to the motor, and the motor.
As Jim noted, this part (C4DZ-14526-D) was only used on the '65's, and not available as a Service Part. Also as Jim noted, in 1966 and 1967, this was replaced by a 6" Fusible Link Wire (C6AZ-14526-A). I have attached copies of the 1965 and 1967 Convertible Top Electrical System Diagrams for your info.
Finally, before going to all of the trouble of cleaning, having plated, etc., be sure to Test the Circuit Breaker to be sure it functions correctly. Many times, these old breakers can remain open after having functioned as intended. You may also be able to use your existing bracket (14A066) and find a new, NOS, or Repro circuit breaker to use with your bracket. Many of the early 60's circuit breakers were this "thin" style. Just be sure to get the correct amperage breaker (20 Amp).
Bob
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I have the same breaker on my 70 XL ragtop
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Thanks for the info
Tom
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I found some additional uses:
1. 65 Ford station wagon tail gate electric window regulator
2. 65/66/67 Ford power seat regulator
3. 65 Ford automatic seat back (65-72 MPC as C4DZ-14526-C not -D)
3. 65 Ford convertible power top
4. 65 Falcon convertible power top
5. 65/66/67 Fairlane station wagon tailgate electric window regulator
6. 70 Mustang automatic seat back latch (65-72 MPC as C4DZ-14526-C not -D)
7. 71 Torino heated back window
8. 65 Mustang convertible power top (65-72 MPC as C4DZ-14526-C not -D)
Interesting to note that it is not listed for the Mustang application in the 65 MPC, but is in the 65-72 MPC.
Now all you need to do is find one of those in a junkyard. Getting harder to do that every year :(
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If it helps, NPD has the C4DZ-14526-B breaker for $5.00
https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/mustang_circuit_breaker_20_amp_c4dz_14526_b-102057-2882.html
There is also a listing on Ebay for a Wagner-version which is similar and has the brass bus bar.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-1965-Ford-Mustang-Power-Top-Circuit-Breaker-Relay-Convertible-Top-/121869063891
In any event, consider adding the correct color dot on the bottom. For `65 Mustang convertibles it would be Red similar to the one in the picture.
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If it helps, NPD has the C4DZ-14526-B breaker for $5.00
https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/mustang_circuit_breaker_20_amp_c4dz_14526_b-102057-2882.html
There is also a listing on Ebay for a Wagner-version which is similar and has the brass bus bar.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-1965-Ford-Mustang-Power-Top-Circuit-Breaker-Relay-Convertible-Top-/121869063891
Take note how different each of these are to one another and always check against a known original before you choose ;)
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How many amp rating does a power top require ? A/C is 25 IIRC.
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Used circuit breakers for 1969-73 convertibles are 20 AMP.
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Take note how different each of these are to one another and always check against a known original before you choose ;)
Jeff - agree. Question for you and the board, most of the 1960s Ford breakers I've seen have the Tung Sol stamping. A few have T/S in a circle. I've seen Wagner breakers but in `70s applications. Have you seen anything other than Tung Sol for the 1960s Ford breakers? Just curious.
By the way, here is an Ebay listing for a NOS C4DZ-14526-C relay. A bit hard to read with the lighting, but it does say Tung Sol.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1964-72-FORD-MERCURY-20-AMP-CIRCUIT-BREAKER-Galaxie-Torino-Comet-Full-size/122925273920?epid=17007641358&hash=item1c9eead340:g:kqMAAOSw1zhaZBc-&vxp=mtr
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Has anybody documented that convertibles with the power top option used the HD yellow c8tf voltage regulator like the factory A/C cars used?
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Has anybody documented that convertibles with the power top option used the HD yellow c8tf voltage regulator like the factory A/C cars used?
I checked the 68 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manual and it list C7AF-11450-A1 or A2 as the only solenoid. The power top drawing does not have another one listed.
Jim
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Has anybody documented that convertibles with the power top option used the HD yellow c8tf voltage regulator like the factory A/C cars used?
Maybe figure it another way. If the convertible in question (assume a 69/70 since you are asking) got the group 27 battery wouldn't that automatically come with the 55 amp alternator ? If it got the 55 amp alternator the yellow marked C8TF voltage regulator would be the mating regulator. Wouldn't it?