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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Mustang => Topic started by: 67Smith on January 12, 2014, 02:55:44 AM
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A inquiry about Early Built San Jose cars GT rocker panel GT stripe dimensions. My original paint car had narrower stripes than currently available thru the various parts vendors. I ordered a set from from a reputable vendor (not sure if it's OK to mention vendor names on the forum) and received a set with the "Official Ford Licensed" sticker with a 3007 number on it. This set had the dimensions of 1/2 inch narrow stripe, 1/4 inch gap, 1-1/2 inch center stripe, the 1/4inch gap then the 1/2 inch narrow stripe. An overall width of 3 inches was measured. By the time I noticed this I had media blasted my car and lost my only link to the original dimensions. After many searches I found a set of dimension that seemed closer to my stripes. They were measured on an original paint April built San Jose car. They measured: 3/8 inch narrow stripe, 9/32inch gap, 1-15/32 middle stripe, 9/32inch gap, then 3/8 narrow stripe.
After calling several vendors and getting the same wide dimensions and basically the same response saying that what we sell is correct for all 67 GT cars. No one had heard of a width difference on early cars. I'm hoping someone here will be able to confirm my findings and have correct dimensions for early 67 San Jose cars. I will attach pictures of my car, the stripe kit, and a mock up stripe from the April built car. I realize and April built car is not an early car but it did have unique/narrower dim. than what is currently sold. and I know the stripe was not as narrow as a 1965 or 1966 GT stripe. Any insight would be appreciated. thank you,
My car: 1967 C-code GT Fastback The 999 report from Ford Customer Service Division reads as follows: Production Date: September 29, 1966 Exterior paint color- Burnt Amber, Trim Scheme-Saddle, bucket seat type,GT- Equipment group, Trip odometer, Tachometer, Shoulder harness, Interior/Exterior decor group, 4 speed manual transmission, Standard axle, Tire size-6.50/8.95x14-wide oval nylon-white side walls, Lower back panel grille, Console, Fold down seat, Power steering and AM radio.
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My '67 GTA convertible was built at San Jose on Sept. 22, 1966 and I can confirm the same findings you describe - the original GT stripes (at least on the early SJ cars) had narrow stripes that were 3/8" wide; a wide stripe that was 1-15/32"; and the gaps between the narrow and wide stripes were 9/32" wide.
As you can see in the attached photo below, the reproduction stripes are slightly different that the originals...
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BTW - Here's an old photo of a friend's unrestored '67 GT Fastback that was built in San Jose in Dec. 1966, and it has stripes similar to those shown in your mock-up. If you ever find a supplier that makes the correct-dimension stripes, please let us know!
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Thank you for your response. Very appreciated. It's good to see another Burnt Amber car. Is that the car you took your dimensions from? In either case thank you.
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If you want that exact stripe you may want to talk with Jeff at R&A Motorsports. They do custom striping. 816-246-9094
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Not sure if this is any "early" thing- might just be incorrectly made reproduction. Not like it would be the first time a repo part was off ;)
Ford approved means little when it comes to being like original parts - at least to the level we discuss here :(
Think we need to find some additional examples that can be measured rather then just eagle eyed :)
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67Smith - Yes, these dimensions are from my Burnt Amber car before it was restored (but you may be disappointed to learn that I had it painted Nightmist Blue during the restoration).
Marty - Thanks for the info! I remember looking at '67 stripe kits from 2-3 different parts vendors during the restoration of my car, but they were all the 3" Stripes (1/2" Narrow Stripe; 1/4" Gap; 1-1/2" Wide Stripe; 1/4" Gap; 1/2" Narrow Stripe) that 67Smith mentions finding (and all were manufactured by a company called Decal Magic in Edinburg, VA). While they look nice on my car, they are dimensionally incorrect. I'll keep them for now, but I may have to give R&A a call if at some point in the future I decide that I simply cannot live with the 3" Stripes anymore...
Jeff - this is more than just an "eagle-eye estimate". Years ago, I measured and wrote-down the dimensions of the stripes on my car and created a GTA Emblem Location drawing to help with the restoration (see first attachment). Unfortunately, I don't think I ever took a photo of the stripes with ruler next to them (or if I did, I haven't found the photo yet - this was back in the days before I had a digital camera). However, I still have a chunk of the old passenger side quarter panel with part of the original stripe on it, so we can at least verify (see second attachment) that the narrow stripes and the gaps are more like the ones 67Smith describes (and it's really the narrow stripes where the repros are the most incorrect, as the middle stripe and gaps are only off by 1/32 of an inch each)...
Cheers!
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Maybe we can get a group order going, just in case there is a setup fee. I'm in for a set in white.
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Here is some information from another original SJ GT vin 7R02C176...
The stripes and gaps measure, from bottom to top, 11/32", 9/32", 1 7/16", 9/32", 11/32".
Apparently I am not absolutely accurate, as overall it appears to be 2.75", while the sum of the above is 2 11/16". I gained a 16th inch somewhere.
Picture below.
Very similar to 67Smith posted information. Certainly not what the current readily available supply looks like.
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Thanks John for keeping your eyes open from other examples and providing additional data points :)
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Absolutely, Thank you for taking the time for adding to the post. I did do some more research and it seems like any reputable vinyl sign maker that uses 3M products can reproduce a set of these with the correct Scotch Cal 7725 cast vinyl. A couple interesting notes on vinyl material. There are "cast" vinyls and "calendared" vinyls. Cast vinyls are created by casting the vinyl in a mold of the appropriate thickness while "calendared" vinyl finds it's finished size by being ran through a set of rollers until the final thickness is achieved. Cast vinyls are more stable and less likely to shrink over time. They are more expensive. Calendared vinyls tend to shrink exposing adhesive along the edges. They overall durability is also less then the "cast" vinyls. Either case, having a local vendor make a set of stripes is quite a bit more money than buying the off-the-shelf stripes for the various Mustang vendors. I was quoted a price of $85.00 for a set of stripes and 75.00/hour for and install fee. Most likely a two hour job in his estimate. Anyway just a little FYI,....... Thanks again for everyones feedback.
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Interesting read. Several years ago I bought a pair of NOS part number C7ZZ-6520000-B OE Ford stripe kits in a blue & white Ford box, so I pulled them out today to check their dimensions. The outer stripe IS 1/2" & the gaps are 1/4", total of 3 inches. Part numbers on the seperate pieces out of one box are C7ZB 16D116 A1H, C7ZB 65291C52 A1H, C7ZB 65208A08 A1M. There may be a suffix number at the end of two of these, but the suffix numbering isn't clear.
Perhaps the later stripes were indeed a different size? Has this been confirmed? Or do I simply have re-pops in a Ford box? The makings on the paper backing are "Scotchcal" brand film 3M
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......Perhaps the later stripes were indeed a different size? Has this been confirmed? Or do I simply have re-pops in a Ford box? The makings on the paper backing are "Scotchcal" brand film 3M
Its possible (would not be the first example of this :( that the service replacements were different from the originals. Especially if this is a set from the 80's or 90's
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7T02S119925 on ebay has these stripes (top 2 pics)
Red fender pics from a rust free fender from Texas I just picked up.
Bottom blue fender pics from a 1982 restoration that used Ford NOS. We know that the Ford service/NOS parts are not always factory correct.
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John, your last 2 pictures are of the same as the set I have. I'll probably sell them since mine ought to be the other, narrower ones that this post is about.
Anybody want a set of 80's NOS Ford white GT stripes? :)
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Maybe we can get a group order going, just in case there is a setup fee. I'm in for a set in white.
+1
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It sounds like there is a consensus that early build SJ had the narrow stripes/gaps as referenced. I am the new owner of a 1967 390 Coupe (SJ built 1/4/67). I suspect I would fall into this category? Is R&A still the place to call or have other options been uncovered?
Thanks in advance,
Bill
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Several years ago, I had several sets of the 1965-67 Accessory Stripe Kits made from my originals by Class-Tec in Virginia. You may want to check with Chad White (the owner) there. 540-696-5758.
Bob
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Same here.
I visited his site, and the stripe kit for a 67 mustang GT is still available...
But is it (still) the 'real deal'?
There aren't any specifications regarding the dimensions off the gaps between the '3 lines'.
I just want to make sure before purchasing any, that's why I ask these questions...
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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There aren't any specifications regarding the dimensions off the gaps between the '3 lines'.
Not sure what you mean by "specifications"
Unless I miss the meaning of your sentence or the subject the specifications were offered in the first few posts to this subject
Is it eh "real deal" - first it's a reproduction. Does it match the original pattern guess you have to make contact and ask specifics ;)
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Ebay auction # 321117488484 claims to be the correct early "thinner" stripe GT kit for '67.
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Thanks for the lead, I'll check it out.
And seeing that this is your first post, welcome!
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Thanks for the lead, I'll check it out.
And seeing that this is your first post, welcome!
+1, and WELCOME! Very seldom does a new member introduce themselves with "HELP OFFERED", usually a new member has a request for "HELP NEEDED"! Much thanks!
Ebay auction # 321117488484 claims to be the correct early "thinner" stripe GT kit for '67.
This^^^ IS the previously mentioned Class-Tec in Virginia, Chad White (the owner). 540-696-5758.
I already ordered a set earlier this morning. I see Chad also offers a set of the typically found (wider) version as well and has other Mustang stripe kits for multiple years and applications with a notation of Ford Licensed.
The seller acknowledged the order immediately, giving POS feedback within a few minutes. I requested the dimensions to be verified or they will be returned. My request for verification asks that they be "narrow stripes that are 3/8" wide (Not 1/2") a wide stripe that are 1-15/32"(Not 1-1/2") and the gaps between the narrow and wide stripes are 9/32" wide each." and the seller did not rebut. I will offer an image of the product alongside a NOS Ford set I have.
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Not sure if this is any "early" thing- might just be incorrectly made reproduction. Not like it would be the first time a repo part was off ;)
Ford approved means little when it comes to being like original parts - at least to the level we discuss here :(
Think we need to find some additional examples that can be measured rather then just eagle eyed :)
I am also thinking along these lines. (pardon the punn ;D)
Has anyone found original examples with the "wider style" stripe?
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Thanks for the welcome guys and hopefully that stripe kit is correct. You can clearly see in a lot of the early promo shots (White fastback GT with girl hanging out the passenger window) that the stripes were thinner.
My question is how often the GT's came without the rocker molding? Did the rocker molding only come on a GT if you ordered the exterior décor group as well?
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Thanks for the welcome guys and hopefully that stripe kit is correct. You can clearly see in a lot of the early promo shots (White fastback GT with girl hanging out the passenger window) that the stripes were thinner.
My question is how often the GT's came without the rocker molding? Did the rocker molding only come on a GT if you ordered the exterior décor group as well?
Rocker molding on 67's (and 68) are a separate option altogether, nothing to do with the GT option and nothing to do with the exterior decor option.
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Rocker molding on 67's (and 68) are a separate option altogether, nothing to do with the GT option and nothing to do with the exterior decor option.
Ok thanks!
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Thanks for the welcome guys and hopefully that stripe kit is correct. You can clearly see in a lot of the early promo shots (White fastback GT with girl hanging out the passenger window) that the stripes were thinner.
Yes but be very very careful with preproduction details. Allot of differences are possible and allot of things changed between those months and when production started. One of the reasons we let a whole storage unit full of these pictures remain unpublished and unused back in the 80-90's
Just a consideration
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Yes but be very very careful with preproduction details. Allot of differences are possible and allot of things changed between those months and when production started. One of the reasons we let a whole storage unit full of these pictures remain unpublished and unused back in the 80-90's
Just a consideration
Good point. With that in mind here is one of those photos I hadn't seen until recently - nice shot!
www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/1/9/1967_ford_mustang_gt_sportsroof-0325-2000x1566.jpg
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Good point. With that in mind here is one of those photos I hadn't seen until recently - nice shot!
www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/1/9/1967_ford_mustang_gt_sportsroof-0325-2000x1566.jpg
Yes it is. Notice that the pinch welds were not blacked out on these cars. Car sure sits low for some reason but love those thin middle spaced sidewalls :)
Got a bunch of the film strips with these cars sitting around. Wonder how much hassle it would be to convert them to some mpg we could publish to the site. Just another project ;)
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Yes it is. Notice that the pinch welds were not blacked out on these cars. Car sure sits low for some reason but love those thin middle spaced sidewalls :)
Got a bunch of the film strips with these cars sitting around. Wonder how much hassle it would be to convert them to some mpg we could publish to the site. Just another project ;)
Yes, a few other problems with that example, no mirror or antenna (radio delete?)
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Just for clarification... as the rocker moldings were a different option in 67 (not included in the exterior decor group)?
Meaning that it must be specified on the Marti report?
Or not?
I have original rocker panel moldings and a exterior decor option, but that (= rocker molding) is not mentioned on my Marti report...
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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I already ordered a set earlier this morning. I see Chad also offers a set of the typically found (wider) version as well and has other Mustang stripe kits for multiple years and applications with a notation of Ford Licensed.
,,,I will offer an image of the product alongside a NOS Ford set I have.
My order just marked as "SHIPPED" today, I noticed two things since I placed the order on the 27th...
ONE: His eBay listing now shows the dimentions of the stripe that will be coming and they look to be consistent with the measurements previously mentioned in this thread.
TWO: His price went up a couple of dollars since the last three orders were placed.
(apparently two others following this thread have bought the stripes too ;) I am not alone :D)
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Just for clarification... as the rocker moldings were a different option in 67 (not included in the exterior decor group)?
Meaning that it must be specified on the Marti report?
Or not?
I have original rocker panel moldings and a exterior decor option, but that (= rocker molding) is not mentioned on my Marti report...
Kind regards,
Jeroen
I think that the rocker panel mouldings were standard on the fastback. This has been discussed on one or more threads, should be an easy search.
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(apparently two others following this thread have bought the stripes too ;) I am not alone :D)
Nope, you are not alone and the dimensions weren't there...on eBay....when I ordered. Mine have shipped as well and I am looking forward to seeing them. The eBay seller is Chad White at Class-Tech-Cars, who I believe was referenced earlier in this thread.
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Stripes arrived today, They measure 100% correct, best I can tell.
I posted side by side images of my NOS (1980's?) set along side the reproduction set I just received, with the tape measure.
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First, thanks for the reply John.
It looks that I also have to buy a set ;)
This was a very helpfull and learning thread.
Kind regards,
Jeroen
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Stripes arrived today, They measure 100% correct, best I can tell.
I posted side by side images of my NOS (1980's?) set along side the reproduction set I just received, with the tape measure.
Here's the measurements I got from the image:
L R
Top stripe: .48 .37
Top gap: .27 .28
Middle stripe: 1.44 1.44
Bottom gap: .26 .28
Bottom stripe: .47 .37
Overall width: 2.91 2.74
They match within my approximate measurement error, except for the narrow stripes. The ones on the right are about .10" narrower (a little under 1/8"). Overall width was about .17" narrower on the right
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Per the eBay seller, dimensions are within the images below: (top image is what we are calling "early", lower image is what the seller has for "late")
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Old post, I know.
If you have any SCCA friends you should be able to find someone who does car numbers locally or on the web. Car numbers and other single color decals on race cars use exactly the same vinyls and processes as does these stripe kits. The number of colors available from vinyl vendors is amazing.
There are a number of hobbyists who own these vinyl cutting machines and can make them in any size.
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Old topic I know.
In looked at the pic in a previous post it shows a 3/8" gap between the side of the strip and the GTA emblem.
I've been looking for info on the gap size for a GT car. I thought the gap was a little larger on GT cars, maybe 1/2 inch.
Can anyone confirm or have the location of the holes for the GT emblems?
Thanks
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Old topic I know.
In looked at the pic in a previous post it shows a 3/8" gap between the side of the strip and the GTA emblem.
I've been looking for info on the gap size for a GT car. I thought the gap was a little larger on GT cars, maybe 1/2 inch.
Can anyone confirm or have the location of the holes for the GT emblems?
Don't recall seeing any difference between the two side stripes and believe that they were all press set but let's see what some original paint cars have to offer if we can find three or four
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Don't recall seeing any difference between the two side stripes and believe that they were all press set but let's see what some original paint cars have to offer if we can find three or four
From an old post on the VMF it seems the gap for GT emblems and inside the stripe was 1/2 inch but for GTA emblem was 3/8.
I also have not found anywhere that shows where the holes for the GT emblems go. Gonna use stick on emblems for the car that's being worked on.
More margin for error or adjustment!
(actually not even sure if they sell stick on emblems for 67 GT...think I ran into this in the past!)
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From an old post on the VMF it seems the gap for GT emblems and inside the stripe was 1/2 inch but for GTA emblem was 3/8.....
"An old thread on VMF" IMHO that is reason enough to revisit the subject again ;)
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I wish to report a possible variation or error on placement of the GTA emblem and measurement in the mockup drawing posted in Reply #2.
Two early GTA cars have now been measured as well as many photographs viewed (without measurement of course) but placement in the previous Reply #2 image, indicates that the Rear Edge of the GTA emblem measures 5-3/4" (inches) from the rear edge of the fender however, at least on the two recently checked, the two both measure the same 5-3/4", but to the rear HOLE (on center) of the GTA emblem mounting post, not to the edge of the emblem itself.
I know this thread is about stripes and the good news is that Vendors like NPD now carry the stripes we began discussing in this thread (perhaps as a result of this thread) but I thought it would be best to try and point out the variance or error of the measurements posted earlier.
Attached is a modification based upon recent measurements of two GTA'S, one early November and one Mid-December 66.
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This is obviously a very old topic but I just wanted to update the information. It's not unique to San Jose. We are having the identical same problem on a Dearborn built 390GT fastback that left the line (scheduled) on October 31, 1966.
Very frustrating, we are likely going to have the paint shop apply painted stripes of the correct original dimensions to solve this.
Here's how it looked with an NOS Ford stripe kit:
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Good looking car!
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He bought it from the original owner in 1980. That guy special ordered the car with the black paint, 4 speed, GT package, 390, and originally it had the black exterior, black deluxe interior with both consoles, disc / drum brakes, and no air conditioning or power steering. In Dallas, TX a black car with no A/C and no power anything (except power brakes).
We had it repainted in 1994 and it just needed a bit of touch up and a new stripe kit this month. Too bad the vendors don't offer one that fits.