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Title: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ceggar on July 06, 2014, 12:59:43 PM
I have a correct trunk light socket however the wire is missing. Looking at the Osborn book it looks like there is a wire comming off the socket and plugs into another wire going to the front. If this is correct are both wires green/yellow stripe? I have seen a picture and it looks like the wire comming off the socket is black. Also does the whole wire have the braided cover or just part of it. Thanks
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: J_Speegle on July 06, 2014, 06:35:06 PM
What body type?
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ceggar on July 07, 2014, 11:08:58 AM
Fastback
thanks
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: J_Speegle on July 10, 2014, 08:32:49 PM
Ok had time to go through my pictures and have to report not allot of cars got that option - or at least not many I could find :(

Here is what I have to offer - draw your own conclusions . Hope they help


7R01C163xxx  Coupe trunk light mounting

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/2/6-100714182900.jpeg)



7R02C15180x

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/2/6-100714183007.jpeg)


7T02S22790x

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/2/6-100714183056.jpeg)



Unknown 67 or 68 example

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/2/6-100714183155.jpeg)


Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ruppstang on July 10, 2014, 10:48:43 PM
I have a correct trunk light socket however the wire is missing. Looking at the Osborn book it looks like there is a wire comming off the socket and plugs into another wire going to the front. If this is correct are both wires green/yellow stripe? I have seen a picture and it looks like the wire comming off the socket is black. Also does the whole wire have the braided cover or just part of it. Thanks
The green with yellow stripe was a 68 and the black with blue was the 67.
Marty
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ceggar on July 11, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
Looking at the pic's it looks like one of them had the braided cover on at least some of the wire and the last pic looks like just the black/blue wire. Also was it a one piece wire all the way to the door switch or a 2 piece? thanks again for all the help
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on July 11, 2014, 01:57:36 PM
Also was it a one piece wire all the way to the door switch or a 2 piece?
Here is what I have. From the light to the trunk hinge is one piece, w/single "bullet" style plug-in. From the trunk hinge to the door post, a single wire and memory tells me the end at the door switch (A-pillar) has a "jumper" style end to supply another "dome fuse feed". ( The A-pillar connection is the only part by memory, but I just took mine apart a few weeks ago. Wiring is packed away, cannot easily look at it just now.)

Richard
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ceggar on July 12, 2014, 12:06:58 AM
Thanks Richard
Looking at the Osborn book that makes since. But then again they say the wire is green/yellow so it gets confusing. It also looks like both wires have the braided cover the whole length in the book. If you get a chance to look at yours could you let me know if its braided and the length of the wire that goes to the door and the jumper length? I have a wire that will work from the light to the hinge.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on July 12, 2014, 11:20:41 AM
Thanks Richard
Looking at the Osborn book that makes since. But then again they say the wire is green/yellow so it gets confusing. It also looks like both wires have the braided cover the whole length in the book. If you get a chance to look at yours could you let me know if its braided and the length of the wire that goes to the door and the jumper length? I have a wire that will work from the light to the hinge.
Addressing only the wire: The Osborn manual page E7-8620-3 (page 61) indicates to me that the connection in the A-pillar is to the green-yellow wire of the underdash wiring at the door switch, as it is on mine. It also indicates to me that the single luggage lamp feed color is NOT identified since the letter-A is pointing ONLY to the vehicles underdash side of the connection. (refer to view-C). I do not see the letter A used anywhere else on the page.

Secondly, I see no evidence suggesting that the lamp feed wire has any braided covering beyond what is seen inside the trunk, such as along the rocker panel. The manual clearly shows no wrap at the front end of that wire and that it is taped onto the tailamp harness every 12 inches or so (3/4" wide tape)

Given to the facts that 67 Mustangs had so many running changes, my application is a coupe, not a fastback, so many variances found from the Osborn assembly manuals in relation to wiring in general when compared to production vehicles and there are so few of these luggage lamps in use, I will decline commenting at the Concours level as NOT to steer anyone the wrong direction. If you wish to discuss any further privately, I will be willing to share what I have on my example more through private messaging if you like.

Richard
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gta289 on July 12, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
Here are some pics from a Dearborn coupe 7F02C129xxx that I stripped. 
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ceggar on July 12, 2014, 01:45:59 PM
 Please keep in mind as I ask these questions, this is my first restoration and when I got the car it was not all together and Im just trying hard to get it back as right as posible. All the diagrams I have seen show a green/yellow as a hot wire off the door switch to a light that has its own switch such as the trunk light. The black/blue wire items come on when the door is opened. So if the 67 trunk light wire is blue/black, at the door switch was the jumper wire going into the switch green/yellow? If it was also black/blue you would have 2 black/blue wires plugging into the door switch. (if im looking correctly!) 
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gta289 on July 12, 2014, 04:52:48 PM
Here are some pictures of the wire from the door jamb to the bullet connection in the rear.

Note the following:

1. There is indeed a wire mesh over the wire (photo 3)
2. The wire appeared to be black, but with a bit of lacquer thinner I could see the blue stripe.
3. At the door jamb the green/yellow wire (pig tail) and black/blue wire are connected together (photo 1)
4. The mesh was very tight over the wire, almost like shrink tubing.
5. The wire is separate from the main harness, taped to it every few feet (photo 2)
6. Unique clip at the trunk end, with paper tag remnants (photo 4)

Will get the short harness on the trunk lid later.

Again this is one of "X" from one car at one plant.  This is the model year 67 we are talking about after all.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ceggar on July 13, 2014, 12:51:28 AM
Thanks so much John. That info is perfect and explains well. If you get a chance could I get the total length of the wire, distance from the connector to the clip at the trunk end, and the length of the green/yellow jumper wire. If this is asking to much I understand and can wag it. I would like to see if somebody will make one for me.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: Oz390 on July 13, 2014, 01:56:29 AM
interesting that ford used a grommet ont eh trunk wiring, but not ont he hood louvered turn signal wire.  One wouod think the hood being opend far more then the runk would make cahfing/wear an issue ther, mnore thant eh trunk.

AMK lists a 1.37 ID X 1.66 OD X .31 TK, OLP, C4AB-14603-A, and a .63 ID X 1.06 OD X .31 TK, OLG, C3AB-14603-C which look "similar".  '68 FAM notes C6OB-14603-B, and '67 C4SB-14603-H.  Anyone know if the AMK parts are close (will work), or if anyone sells the right part.  Want to add this to my 68 convertible, have the lamp and have been looking for the grommet... no luck..
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: ruppstang on July 13, 2014, 10:33:38 AM
interesting that ford used a grommet ont eh trunk wiring, but not ont he hood louvered turn signal wire.  One wouod think the hood being opend far more then the runk would make cahfing/wear an issue ther, mnore thant eh trunk.

AMK lists a 1.37 ID X 1.66 OD X .31 TK, OLP, C4AB-14603-A, and a .63 ID X 1.06 OD X .31 TK, OLG, C3AB-14603-C which look "similar".  '68 FAM notes C6OB-14603-B, and '67 C4SB-14603-H.  Anyone know if the AMK parts are close (will work), or if anyone sells the right part.  Want to add this to my 68 convertible, have the lamp and have been looking for the grommet... no luck..
The early 67 hoods did have the grommets when Ford was drilling holes in hoods that they had all ready manufactured. They then then retooled and rolled the edges of the holes so there was no need for grommets on the latter hoods.

Here is a picture of our SJ 11-04-66 convertible wiring.
Marty
Marty
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: Oz390 on July 13, 2014, 07:09:33 PM
Interesting, learn new things all the time...  Thanks Marty!
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gta289 on August 01, 2014, 08:59:43 PM
Additional details on the trunk lamp power feed wire running from the driver's side hinge area to the decklid.

A drawing with dimensions, as well as related pictures are attached.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: J_Speegle on August 01, 2014, 09:38:51 PM
Very nice effort and a great addition to the thread John
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on May 10, 2016, 06:03:53 AM
Has anyone ever had Jim @Alloy Metal make this wire up for them yet?

Has anyone found a source to a suitable grommet for the trunk lid yet?

Has anyone found a source of the wire retainer next to the grommet yet?

Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on May 10, 2016, 03:39:51 PM
Just to let you know, my early '67 GT 500 had a separate wire that was covered with a braided cover. It it is taped about every 14" to the tail lamp harness. My original was used by Alloy Metal Products to make the trunk lamp wiring, not to mention the right side fastback courtesy lamp harness.

                                                                                                         -Keith
 
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: preaction on May 10, 2016, 10:29:40 PM
Has anyone ever had Jim @Alloy Metal make this wire up for them yet?

Has anyone found a source to a suitable grommet for the trunk lid yet?

Has anyone found a source of the wire retainer next to the grommet yet?
Reply #3 last pic has a grommet which looks to be the same as the one that  came on my 67 cougar with trunk light.  Is the mustang light a mercury type switch too ?
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on May 10, 2016, 10:48:11 PM
Reply #3 last pic has a grommet which looks to be the same as the one that  came on my 67 cougar with trunk light.  Is the mustang light a mercury type switch too ?

Yes, mercury light with a small "m"...very similar light & likely uses the same grommet.

I talked with Jim of Alloy Metal today and he said they offer (through their vendors) a wire for a supply line to the trunk light. His description (claimed based upon Ford engineering drawings) do not exactly match up to the decriptions or images shared earlier in this thread. The description also does not sound like a match up to the assembly manual drawings either. No mention of having seen Keith's wire earlier. The basic difference seems to be  the on the trunk connection end. That end is described as having a trio-female bullet connector. The description of the foward end is a match and the length is spot on (+1 inch) to what John measured. Their offering is not a braided covering wire.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on May 10, 2016, 11:45:59 PM
Funny, John would forget considering he made it  and had me send the sample because he had never seen one. He didn't charge me a dime because I supplied the sample wire and the right side courtesy from the dash to the quarter lamp where the folding seat is. However, I guess considering his business partner had died just a couple months prior and he was buried with work, it happens. He a actually sent my wiring to someone else and I got their wiring, which the two of us just sent the wiring to the other. 
                                                                                           -Keith
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on May 11, 2016, 06:11:43 AM
Funny, John would forget considering he made it  and had me send the sample because he had never seen one. He didn't charge me a dime because I supplied the sample wire and the right side courtesy from the dash to the quarter lamp where the folding seat is. However, I guess considering his business partner had died just a couple months prior and he was buried with work, it happens. He a actually sent my wiring to someone else and I got their wiring, which the two of us just sent the wiring to the other. 
                                                                                           -Keith

Ahhh! You were dealing with John? I talked to Jim. I'll be back in touch with him next week to see if we can work something out. (Jim taking several days off) Maybe after speaking with John, and with a second request for this style wire a change in production may occur? We'll see.

Not to derail the thread but I also have interest in a correct hood turn signal wire harness as well. I have started another thread about it just in case there is a lot of input over the known differences. (it would be nice to get the early version of that harness reproduced too. At this time, it seems only the later version is out there)
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=13686.0
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on November 13, 2017, 09:08:22 AM
Has anyone ever had Jim @Alloy Metal make this wire up for them yet?

Has anyone found a source to a suitable grommet for the trunk lid yet?

Has anyone found a source of the wire retainer next to the grommet yet?
Has anyone ever had Jim @Alloy Metal make this wire up for them yet?
YES, he built one for me though he insisted it didn't come with the extra connection at the A-pillar end but I am OK with what he made otherwise...pretty close ;)

Has anyone found a source to a suitable grommet for the trunk lid yet?
NO! I am still looking for one to attempt making a copy of it (wishing to make a mold out of an original) if anyone has one I can borrow for several weeks. You WILL get your original back (and a Reproduction also if you lend it to me)


Has anyone found a source of the wire retainer next to the grommet yet?
NO! But I NOW have an original one in hand to have a cast made from it. I am hoping to use this "mold" out of to build new ones. Thes wire retainers were originally molded directly onto the braided-covered wires of not only the trunk light feed wire (at trunk lid) but also onto the underhood lamp hood lamp wire too!. I am hoping to locate that grommet and have a mold cast from the two components. Any help along these line would be great! 

ALSO...if anyone has ever tried making such molds or know if any vendor doing such mold-making for the hobby, it would be great to hear of somebody willing to help me with these two tasks.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 196667Bob on November 13, 2017, 12:04:17 PM
Attached are pictures of an NOS one that I picked up for my '67 in the 80's. Keeping in mind that this was a Service Part, it still shows twon things that have been discussed ; First, you can see that the wire has a braided type of insulation. And second, that it was only long enough to go from the mounting location to the grommet hole where it connected to the wire that goes on to the A pillar (confirming John's pictures).

Bob
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 13, 2017, 12:26:26 PM
Attached are pictures of an NOS one that I picked up for my '67 in the 80's. Keeping in mind that this was a Service Part, it still shows twon things that have been discussed ; First, you can see that the wire has a braided type of insulation. And second, that it was only long enough to go from the mounting location to the grommet hole where it connected to the wire that goes on to the A pillar (confirming John's pictures).

Bob
It is interesting to see the orange obsolete sticker on the box. That is the tell tale mark used by the late great parts purveyor Ron Charney RIP. He would apply those to let people know that the part would be hard to find rare and no longer serviced by Ford. The 80's and 90's was his hay days. Fond memories .
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 196667Bob on November 13, 2017, 01:44:54 PM
Bob : That's interesting indeed. Throughout the 80's and early 90's, I hit a lot of Swap Meets, including Hershey a couple of times. Of course back then, I rarely kept track of what parts I got where. However, if I remember correctly (although its been 30 years or so), it was Hershey where I got it. Unlike what was always said "back then", that "Hershey was mainly for Pre-War cars", I was always successful for both my 50's Fords and my Mustangs.

Thanks for the trivia.

Bob
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gta289 on November 13, 2017, 01:51:48 PM
I tried to buy some parts from Ron in 2012 but he was not interested.  A friend and I ended up getting the car part remains of the estate from his brother.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on January 14, 2018, 08:44:26 PM
Does anyone happen to have the wire clip that is molded to the wire for sale? I would buy the segment of wire with the retainer/clip if so. As for the grommet: AMK make them.

                                                                                                                                   -Keith
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on January 15, 2018, 07:49:59 AM
Does anyone happen to have the wire clip that is molded to the wire for sale? I would buy the segment of wire with the retainer/clip if so. As for the grommet: AMK make them.

                                                                                                                                   -Keith

Do you have an AMK number? I know they make one for the hood lamp wiring and I know they make one for some of the earlier Mustang headlamp wiring but at least in their catalog I've never saw one for the trunk lamp wiring which is about 1 1/8 inch,  if my recollection is correct.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 1967 eight barrel on January 19, 2018, 03:50:36 AM
It was made onto the wire. I thought perhaps someone had a wire they could cut off with it on.

                                                                                                                     -Keith
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: 67gtasanjose on January 19, 2018, 05:16:39 AM
Do you have an AMK number? I know they make one for the hood lamp wiring and I know they make one for some of the earlier Mustang headlamp wiring but at least in their catalog I've never saw one for the trunk lamp wiring which is about 1 1/8 inch,  if my recollection is correct.

Sorry, I did not read your question correctly, THIS RESPONSE ^^^ above was about the grommet, I think I got mixed up with another discussion going on at the same time.
Title: Re: 67 trunk light wire
Post by: Bossbill on October 08, 2018, 06:43:12 PM
Just to let you know, my early '67 GT 500 had a separate wire that was covered with a braided cover. It it is taped about every 14" to the tail lamp harness. My original was used by Alloy Metal Products to make the trunk lamp wiring, not to mention the right side fastback courtesy lamp harness.                                                                                                        -Keith
My March SJ Shelby has a separate wire, but no covering at all!  Its insulation is thicker than it needs to be so I surmise the thicker insulation is in lieu of the separate cover. And mine was taped every 36" (approx). However, rather than using standard 3/4" friction tape, it uses 1 1/2" friction tape.

I'm getting it ready to be recovered by Rhode Island Wire.