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Offline 65Ford

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Questions Regarding Static collectors
« on: January 05, 2018, 12:36:30 AM »
Attached is the only one in my years yarding I have ever found (and it's damaged) and I don't even remember what Ford I found it on.  It resides in the dust cap and the button in the center rides on the end of the spindle.  The only reason I look for these is my parent's 1965 Ranch Wagon has them but one was destroyed when a bearing burned up and melted onto the spindle.  It still has the one on the driver's side because my dad always did the brake or bearing work and knew how to bend the cotter pin so it doesn't get torn up.

My question is, did the 1965 Mustang have these and how many model years did Ford install these in their cars?
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2018, 01:05:02 AM »
Attached is the only one in my years yarding I have ever found (and it's damaged) and I don't even remember what Ford I found it on.  It resides in the dust cap and the button in the center rides on the end of the spindle.  The only reason I look for these is my parent's 1965 Ranch Wagon has them but one was destroyed when a bearing burned up and melted onto the spindle.  It still has the one on the driver's side because my dad always did the brake or bearing work and knew how to bend the cotter pin so it doesn't get torn up.

My question is, did the 1965 Mustang have these and how many model years did Ford install these in their cars?
I have only found a few still under the grease caps. I have found one on a 65 and a 66 out of many that were missing . I assume they came on the later models  67-70 but I personally have not found any first hand. They also came in the Mustang radio kits that Ford sold over the counter which also supports their use on factory installed radio cars.
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2018, 09:02:23 AM »
I have found a few on 67s and 68s. If I remember correctly they are shown in the assembly manual with the hood ground. I think they were called anti static devices and came with the radio option.

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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 10:23:43 AM »
I've seen them on 65-66.  The 6 cylinder version was slightly different as the grease cap was not the same as V8.
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 03:23:07 PM »
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 04:32:07 PM »
My question is, did the 1965 Mustang have these and how many model years did Ford install these in their cars?

I believe that I can provide a little insight/ history on the Wheel Static Collector Springs (Ford's "official" name for these parts.

About 10 years ago, I did a little research (by no means real "in depth", but just enough to "be dangerous") on these as they were supposed to be on both my 1957 Retractable and 1957 Thunderbird. My Ford Literature collection is very thin prior to 1955, although I do have Product Service Letters, Management Service Letters and Radio Service letters dating back to their beginnings. I found in Radio Service Letter R-1, Dated July 26, 1950 (a copy of which is attached), reference to the Radio Suppression Kit which included the Wheel Static Collectors. As noted in the Service Letter, these were not installed at the Factory, but shipped to the Dealers in the Glove Compartment for their Installation (I wonder how many were really installed ?). The contents of the 1950 Radio Suppression Kit are shown in the next attachment, from Radio Service Letter R-2.

This got me wondering how much earlier that the collectors might have been available. In searching for this information, I somehow had the idea to check for Patents. Sure enough, the Wheel Static Collector was Patented on January 11, 1938, by two GM (boo) employees (a copy of the Patent is attached). While a little different than the one pictured in your Post, it is similar and virtually identical to the ones found on my 57's (picture attached). I checked with best friend, whom I've known for over 60 years, and is a Cadillac collector. Sure enough, his 1940 " 60 Special" had the original Static Collectors still on it. While this of course doesn't mean that Ford used them in 1940, they could have.

I then dug a little deeper into my literature and found Product Service Letter No. 242, dated April 4, 1955 (copy attached). This notes that the Wheel Static Collectors were not installed by the Factory prior to November 15, 1954 (which would imply that after that date, they were). It also notes that the Wheel Static Collectors were not available as Service Parts from Ford, but had to be obtained from either Bendix or Motorola (these are noted in the Suppression Kit shown in Radio Service Letter R-2, Dated August 25, 1950, attached).
I next went to my Technical Service Bulletins to see what might be covered. I only checked my 1956-62 TSB's, but what I found was pretty interesting. In the TSB's covering 1957 models, there are several Articles on "Radio Noise", the Suppression Kits installation and trouble shooting. Then when TSB's covering 1958 Models begins, the "suppression issues" seem to disappear (Ford must have thought that they had this item resolved). As a matter of fact, this was the case through the 1962 TSB's. As I mentioned, I didn't look at any of my TSB's after 1962, but did then check my Ford Shop Manuals. The Radio Suppression Kit components were covered in my 1957,1959, 1962, 1966, 1967 and 1971 Shop Manuals. A couple of interesting things appeared after going through the Shop Manuals. First, in 1966, in the illustrations of the components, a Group Number is shown for the Wheel Static Collector ; 18938-A. Did this mean that Ford now had a Service Part for this ? And secondly, the illustrations of the Suppression Components in the 1971 Shop Manual no longer shows the Wheel Static Collectors.

Time to check the MPC's. Neither the 1949-59, the 1960-64, nor the 1965 MPC's show this Part Number. However, the 1966, 1967, 1960-68 and the 1965-72 MPC'c all do list it. It is listed as Part Number C6AZ-18938-A in all. Interestingly though, the Applications are shown as only being for 1966-70 Full Size Fords with Disc Brakes, and for 1967 Thunderbirds. Of course the nature of the part itself, would not limit this to being used on only those Models noted. As a matter of fact, the 1966, 67 and 68 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manuals all show the Wheel Static Collectors as part of the Radio Suppression components.

In Summary, the Wheel Static Collector Springs were furnished as a part of the Radio Suppression Kit going back to at least 1950. Prior to November of 1954, they were shipped with the cars for Dealer Installation. After that Date, they wer Factory Installed until ?.Initially, other than those being shipped with a car with a radio, they were only available from Bendix or Motorola. In 1966, Ford showed a Part Number for the Wheel Static Collector Spring (C6AZ-18938-A). This is shown in the November 1965 List Price Book for $0.75 each, but jumped to $1.60 each in the November 1966 Price Book. In looking at my OSI books (1966-1979, plus 1981 and 1990, I could not find where Ford made this "Not Replaced" (Obsolete).

So, there you have it ; all I know, and probably more than you wanted to know, about the Wheel Static Collector Springs.

Hope you enjoyed the ride.

Bob
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2018, 05:55:34 PM »
Interesting read. At least I now get the gist of what they were doing with these static collectors.

So, times have changed, car radios have changed too since the late 30's and it took over 30 years for these to no longer appear to be needed. I had trouble reading some of the text of the patent but I did not notice any reference to the tubes in tires, only the tires, the air and other "ideas" with no proof of the exact source of the static.

So, did the advent of transistors change the need? FM radio? Hmmm...tubeless tires? Obviously, we no longer need these in modern cars so I suppose more could be learned if somebody wishes to search but I am pleased that we do not have to all run out and search for a couple of these to add to EVERY car with a radio in it!
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 09:35:46 AM »
Bob, thanks for sharing your research.  I found it interesting that the 67 shop manual has a figure (picture attached) that infers these are used on Mustangs, but like you I see that in the January 1967 MPC the 18938 part is only listed for the full size Ford with Disc Brakes (picture also attached).  You mentioned full size Ford and Thunderbird but I did not see reference to the Thunderbird. ***EDIT*** I found the Thunderbird reference in the 65-72 MPC.
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 11:21:20 AM »
John : The Thunderbird reference I mentioned actually came from the 1960-68 MPC, but you are correct that it is also listed in the 1965-72 MPC.

The Shop Manual References that I referred to, and which you attached an illustration from are one source noting that the Wheel Static Collector Springs were used on Mustangs, but I think more importantly, are the references that I noted of the 1966. 67 and 68 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manuals, where they are shown for each of the years. I do not have a 1965 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manual, which might address the OP's question more directly, so if someone has this, they could possibly confirm that they do show up in the 1965 EAM also. However, my guess is if they do, they would be the "earlier" type (as shown in the first attached picture without the 3 long "tails"), as opposed to the one with the "tails" (as shown in the second picture) as it carries a C6AZ Part Number.

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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 01:29:48 PM »
I do not have a 1965 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manual, which might address the OP's question more directly,
It's there, AM0008 pg61, 6 cylinder and 8 cylinder applications.
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Re: Questions Regarding Static collectors
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2018, 03:08:48 PM »
Jim : Thanks for confirming that. The OP should now feel "comfortable" that his '65 Mustang could have had the Wheel Static Collector Springs.

Now, I have one more question for your 1965 documentation. Does the page you noted that shows both "6 cylinder and 8 cylinder applications", have a detail like the one John Posted from the 1967 Shop Manual ? If so, this gets even more interesting (confusing). My 66 Shop Manual and Electrical Assembly Manual both show the 2 separate details for 6 cylinder and 8 cylinder, yet the 1967 and 68 EAM's only have "one size fits all" detail of the collector with the "tails". The 1966 6 cylinder detail, and the 1967 Shop Manual 6 cylinder detail appear to show it as the older style with no "tails", like on my 57's. Adding to the "confusion" is the fact that the only Ford Part Number for a Wheel Static Collector Spring, C6AZ-18938-A, with no differentiation of 6 cylinder versus 8 cylinder. If the 8 cylinder application for 1965 shows the collector with the "tails", this compounds the question as that carries a C6AZ Part Number. The C6AZ-18938-A does not appear in either the 1965 MPC, or the 1966 MPC. Possibly the collector with the "tails" was used before a Part Number was assigned to it ?

Thanks,

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