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Offline ChrisV289

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Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« on: January 05, 2018, 01:20:40 PM »
Anyone have a pic of what these look like?  They are not included in the hardware kit from NPD and they were recently added to the 2018 judging rules
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2018, 01:39:36 PM »
Use of a part number (found in the Mustang Electrical Assembly Manuals) would help. It's 34940-S36, and is shown in AMK, but they only sell the -S8 (clear zinc) as a single item.
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2018, 01:49:49 PM »
Hi Jim,

Is that also used on the ground strap as well? I'm on my phone since I am at work and unable to view the spreadsheets efficiently

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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 04:23:32 PM »
There are 3 ground points for 65-66 engine bay harnesses where tooth washers are used... 1 at the voltage regulator, one at the firewall ground and one at the rad support in the corner by the battery.  The original washers had a wide tooth pattern, which are somewhat difficult to find. 

Also, note that the tooth washer goes on the screw last before installation, I see this installed incorrectly on a lot of show cars... although I probably see more show cars completely missing the washers.
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 05:32:34 PM »
Is that also used on the ground strap as well?
There are 3 ground points for 65-66 engine bay harnesses where tooth washers are used... 1 at the voltage regulator, one at the firewall ground and one at the rad support in the corner by the battery.
As stated, yes. All three are 34940-S36 for 65 and 66. The difference for 1964 Mustangs is a -S8 finish. Apparently Ford changed the finish to facilitate conductivity.
The original washers had a wide tooth pattern, which are somewhat difficult to find. 
Quite possible, I have a few of those on the shelf. Typically they referred to as "9 tooth" as used for 64; 65 and up are 12 tooth. The "technician" in me said use a new one and the ones I took off my 65 and 66 cars were the of the 12 tooth variety.
Also, note that the tooth washer goes on the screw last before installation, I see this installed incorrectly on a lot of show cars...
The theory is multiple contact points on grounds, as in between the ring lug and the body. The external toth lock washer is not used to retain the screw.
.. although I probably see more show cars completely missing the washers.
Without a guide or drawing, it is simply forgotten. The Mustang Assembly Manuals do have a use.
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2018, 08:40:38 PM »
There are 3 ground points for 65-66 engine bay harnesses where tooth washers are used... 1 at the voltage regulator, one at the firewall ground and one at the rad support in the corner by the battery.  The original washers had a wide tooth pattern, which are somewhat difficult to find. 

Just to show the style of washer Charles is describing

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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2018, 08:57:13 PM »
Found a few unrestored cars with the arrangement described above. Did find a number of unrestored cars without any washer - maybe there is an explaination


5F07A2706xx Between the voltage regulator and the ground wire




5F08C7275xx  Between the voltage regulator and the ground wire  like 5F07A2706xx





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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2018, 12:29:04 AM »
Keep in mind that the screw holding the regulator to the radiator support was a common grounding point for the LH headlight, LH parking light, the alternator and LH fog lamp (if equipped). The screw on the right side to the radiator support was a common grounding point for the RH headlamp, RH parking lamp and RH fog lamp (if equipped).
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2018, 12:38:48 AM »
Jim,

You mentioned the different number of teeth on the washer. Do you or perhaps Jeff know when the transition was? Or what was used at San Jose
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2018, 01:26:09 AM »
Jim,
You mentioned the different number of teeth on the washer. Do you or perhaps Jeff know when the transition was? Or what was used at San Jose

Sorry got side tracked a little with starting with the Dearborn examples but knew I had some nice examples in that group. Now to specifically your need.

Since I know when your car was built found this example of the car that I've used a number of times to help answer your questions built about the same time as yours.

Hard to see it in the grainy picture (blown up from a more distance one) and because much of the washer is hidden behind the eyelet but you can make out one of the spokes of the squared end star washer - red arrow.

Hope this helps and I got it right this time  ::)

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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2018, 04:39:25 PM »
is the regulator star washer supposed to be yellow cad/zinc or silver zinc?

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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 04:58:09 PM »
By using your forum ID, I assume you have either a 65 or 66 Shelby. The external tooth lock washed is gold zinc plated (I prefer to keep its color requirements simple) as signified by the -S36 designation.
Get into the habit of entering your car's year, plant, VIN (the Shelby VIN is appropriate) when you post a question.
You might look in the forum's library under Mustang Hardware Spreadsheet 64-66 which would cover almost all Shelby wiring.
And you might consider getting a set of Mustang Assembly Manuals for your car's year.
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 06:11:50 PM »
The Shelby number and approximate build date of the car at San Jose is most helpful.  Providing the Ford VIN of a 65-66 Shelby is a bit of a no-no.
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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 12:46:43 AM »
"rad support in the corner by the battery. "

Anyone have any pics of this area...??  I've seen everything under the sun done in this area and I'd like to see some original examples as a guide as I don't think I have any..

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Re: Voltage Regulator Star Washers
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 12:57:43 AM »
"rad support in the corner by the battery. "

Anyone have any pics of this area...??  .....................

Have tons but need to know the context. Where did the quote (reply number?) come from?   So that I can get an idea of what you want to focus on and if there is a particular plant or time period. Especially since were moving away from the voltage regular - the focus of the thread ;)
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