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Title: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 10, 2015, 02:16:50 AM
I recently got my 69 GT350 back from a guy that was supposed to be good with Mustang sheet metal, only to be disappointed with the work. Now I have to do some fixing. Can someone post or email me pictures that shows where the body panels meet at the top corner, middle edge, and bottom corner of the trunk? I need to see the joints where the trunk lid would meet the trunk.  I have photos of what needs to be fixed here (http://redshost.com/gt350/index012.html).

Thanks,

David
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 10, 2015, 02:48:34 AM
I've got some photos on page 1 (http://redshost.com/gt350/index.html) but I can not zoom in and get a clear look, plus the car had been rear ended twice before I got it and thus some of this may not be correct.
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: Brian Conway on May 10, 2015, 10:45:32 PM
Something like this ?
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: J_Speegle on May 10, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
If the shop did that at the visible joints can only guess where the ones inside the trunk, quarter panels or door opening look like

Sorry to see this happen

Here are a few to help plus a couple of "bonus" examples  - hope they help

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214207.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214222.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214252.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214051.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214337.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214422.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214439.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/3/6-100515214449.jpeg)

Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: 69GT350H on May 11, 2015, 10:07:32 AM
Something like this ?
Thats the lower/rear most corner, I'll need that one shortly. I'm working on the filler panel, where it and the fender meet to form the upper corner of the trunk by the trunk hinge. If you have access I will be interested in another view from that general area. I'll post a photo later for you to see.

Thank you for the photo
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: 69GT350H on May 11, 2015, 10:21:03 AM
If the shop did that at the visible joints can only guess where the ones inside the trunk, quarter panels or door opening look like

Sorry to see this happen

Here are a few to help plus a couple of "bonus" examples  - hope they help


Thanks Jeff, these are going to be a lot of help.

Many areas around the wheel opening he burned though the sheet metal, some areas like the the quarter to door striker pillar he did very little welding and in one case did not even weld some spots. The mismatching of the lip around the trunk he is blaming on cheap repro panels. I got them from NPD, and of course they are not going to be perfect. But a decent body man would have worked on them to make them match up. Sadly, it was one of the salesmen at NPD that recommended this bodyman, not that he knew him personally. When I first met him he and his partner had a nice shop, several nice cars in it. Then he and his partner split and he ended up working out of a single bay warehouse in an auto repair district. Thats where it all went down hill.

Jeff, feel free to move this to another board if this is a better fit there.
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: ddonzella on May 11, 2015, 10:15:03 PM
If it makes you feel any better I have a similar problem. Seems some body shop butcher went crazy with a torch and brazing rods and warped the hell out of the left rear trunk floor to frame rail support. Warped the inner wheel well and butchered the internal bumper supports. What an unbelievable amount of work to fix this butchers repairs!!!!
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: Brian Conway on May 11, 2015, 10:27:14 PM
Just to be clear; this is not a GT 350 but is a 9T02R Mach 1.  Brian
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: 69GT350H on May 11, 2015, 10:56:24 PM
Very nice, I can see the overlap of the panels clearly. Looks like mine might have been laid in the wrong order/direction. Thank you Brian
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: 69GT350H on May 11, 2015, 11:01:27 PM
Here is another question, there is a lip on the rear panel that I do not remember being there. HERE (http://redshost.com/photos/trunklip.jpg) is a photo that shows it. Its on the upper edge and sticks forward into the trunk.
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: J_Speegle on May 12, 2015, 03:10:12 AM
Here is another question, there is a lip on the rear panel that I do not remember being there. HERE (http://redshost.com/photos/trunklip.jpg) is a photo that shows it. Its on the upper edge and sticks forward into the trunk.

Looks like a poorly formed reproduction panel

Going to make attaching the trunk latch support panel difficult :(
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: TLea on May 12, 2015, 07:19:03 AM
First of all I am sorry you are going through this. It happens all too often. What I see is a combination of poor fitting panels and bad bodywork/ welding. In a perfect world we would all like to use NOS or donor car panels but sometimes thats just not realistic. Even with that a decent bodyman will know how to make a bad panel fit properly. My concern is also even though panel fit is bad welds look very amatuerish
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: Toploader on May 12, 2015, 04:21:51 PM
welds look very amatuerish

...That is to put it very kindly!
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: 69GT350H on May 12, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
Looks like a poorly formed reproduction panel

Going to make attaching the trunk latch support panel difficult :(

Trunk latch support is already in place as seen HERE (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image259.html). Unfortunately it was not alligned right and he had to bend it to the side a little bit for the trunk lid to close. I'm going to have to cut it off and put a new one on.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150509_221857.jpg)
Title: Re: Rear Body Panel Alignment photo request
Post by: 69GT350H on May 12, 2015, 07:41:03 PM
First of all I am sorry you are going through this. It happens all too often. What I see is a combination of poor fitting panels and bad bodywork/ welding. In a perfect world we would all like to use NOS or donor car panels but sometimes thats just not realistic. Even with that a decent bodyman will know how to make a bad panel fit properly. My concern is also even though panel fit is bad welds look very amatuerish

No worries. I had originally wanted to do the work myself with the guidance of an experienced body man. But, there were none to be found locally that would do it that way so I went with the normal way and paid to have it done. I'm not a pro, but I have the tools and a bit of experience from my previous Mustangs, I'm sure I can make it all right again.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 13, 2015, 10:22:53 AM
Looks like I have more work to do. Comparing a photo from here to my car, I will need to cut some welds and re-position the lower fender to trunk. See the comparison of the finished work. How I got it on the left, fixed on the right.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150515_120300.jpg)(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150515_141835.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on May 13, 2015, 02:21:45 PM
Looks like I have more work to do. Comparing a photo from here to my car, I will need to cut some welds and re-position the lower fender to trunk. See the comparison HERE (https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t35.0-12/11259063_10205734974567967_1127384935_o.jpg?oh=bbbf3547d88b6574571ef172481b7b4b&oe=5555606C). Proper is on the left, mine is on the right.

That filler panel looks like it will have to come out and be reinstalled or at least trimmed up to allow the bottom of the quarter to come up and be fairly flat/level at the bottom.

Glad I threw a few extra pictures in there but expected that you were going to find additional issues :(
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 13, 2015, 04:40:57 PM
That filler panel looks like it will have to come out and be reinstalled or at least trimmed up to allow the bottom of the quarter to come up and be fairly flat/level at the bottom.

Glad I threw a few extra pictures in there but expected that you were going to find additional issues :(

The weld line where the bottom of the quarter meets the trunk is too tall, the rear valence hits it. I knew it was going to have to be trimmed at the very least. Yes, the extra photos helped. Thanks.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 14, 2015, 10:36:22 PM
Passenger side is correctly welded. Really makes me wonder what he was doing. I'll be taking the drivers side apart tomorrow with the air chisel and cutoff wheel. Not sure how far forward I'll have to go, I'm hoping only 6-8".
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on May 14, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
Passenger side is correctly welded. Really makes me wonder what he was doing. I'll be taking the drivers side apart tomorrow with the air chisel and cutoff wheel. Not sure how far forward I'll have to go, I'm hoping only 6-8".

First I'm not a body guy - don't have the experience or pratences - but you might need to separate the whole bottom edge of the quarter to trunk floor to square that bottom edge up
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 14, 2015, 11:22:27 PM
First I'm not a body guy - don't have the experience or pratences - but you might need to separate the whole bottom edge of the quarter to trunk floor to square that bottom edge up
It is a possibility, I'm just hoping not.  :)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 15, 2015, 05:22:08 PM
This small part is done. And I only had to do a small section. You can see the work in my gallery HERE (http://redshost.com/gt350/index014.html). And all you need is a few hand tools you find around your home.   ;)

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150515_130230.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 16, 2015, 02:13:34 PM
Worked on the lip around the top of the trunk. Had to grind the high parts down and build the low parts up with the MIG welder. Takes time, but worth it as you can see HERE (http://redshost.com/gt350/index015.html).

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150515_152615.jpg)(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150515_195555.jpg)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150515_165438.jpg)(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150515_195548.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 18, 2015, 12:13:22 AM
I know I'm jumping around a bit. Should I make different posts for each topic or should this thread be moved to another area for builds?

I documented the bottom of the car today and then started sand blasting the under side of the floor. I should check out some other threads, as I am still not 100% sure of the order of the applications. Looks like black seam sealer brushed on first. But the next is where I am unsure. The  bottom (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image325.html) of #1982 looked rusty, but now I wonder if that is a color that was sprayed on, or is it rust? It cleaned up nicely so I am saying not rust. Then there is a  semi-gloss or flat black (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image326.html). This looks like an undercoating as it has that run and drip appearance in some areas. The  trans tunnel (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image330.html) is very thick, and a pass with the sand blaster only seemed to clean up the surface as opposed to taking it off like the floor pans. That is the  under coating (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image331.html) for sure.

Also, notice the dual under floor pan muffler  hangers (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image332.html). From what I can tell, they are not original. Someone seems to have changed from the factory transverse to duals early in its life.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150517_135112.jpg)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150517_163210.jpg)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150517_135205.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on May 18, 2015, 12:28:45 AM
I know I'm jumping around a bit. Should I make different posts for each topic or should this thread be moved to another area for builds?

To keep things organized we could rename this one something like 69 Shelby #1982 Reconstruction or something like that or different threads for different areas of the car

I documented the bottom of the car today and then started sand blasting the under side of the floor. I should check out some other threads, as I am still not 100% sure of the order of the applications. Looks like black seam sealer brushed on first. But the next is where I am unsure. ................but now I wonder if that is a color that was sprayed on, or is it rust?

It cleaned up nicely so I am saying not rust. Then there is a .............semi-gloss or flat black.  This looks like an undercoating as it has that run and drip appearance in some areas. ....................................

Not sure what seam sealer your describing. There are allot of different application - some applied at different times.

For clarity we try and used Sound deadener to describe what was applied at the factory and Undercoating to describe the products applied at the dealer (mark up) or after delivery

Since your car was a Shelby sound deadener would normally be applied over the undercarriage and oversprays as discussed in other threads. Normally not as thick or heavy as dealer installed under coating but one over the other makes for a fair amount of product. The sound deadener would not normally be applied all the way out to the rockers all the way along the side of the car and was normally three fairly quick passes of the wand stopping before the rear end housing (exhaust not yet in the car)

For the original floor color - try and find a somewhat protected (from the elements and rust) couple of areas - scrap off the sound deadener and clean the surface well - even a little polish/wax can help. Further towards the better as its likely coated less with any possible body color or pinch weld overspray - plus what ever paint jobs this body has seen through the years.

Given when  # 1982 was likely built I would expect you will find a darker batch color as the original floor color



Also, notice the dual under floor pan muffler......... From what I can tell, they are not original. Someone seems to have changed from the factory transverse to duals early in its life.

Not unusual since the 70 up style sounded allot better and thought to flow better by many owners
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 18, 2015, 12:51:31 AM
To keep things organized we could rename this one something like 69 Shelby #1982 Reconstruction or something like that or different threads for different areas of the car

Maybe a thread rename? I like the idea of not having to jump from area to area to follow the build. I know it started out as a photo request, but as you can see there is much more to it than that. But what ever works best for the forum and everyone else.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 18, 2015, 01:03:03 AM
For the original floor color - try and find a somewhat protected (from the elements and rust) couple of areas - scrap off the sound deadener and clean the surface well - even a little polish/wax can help. Further towards the better as its likely coated less with any possible body color or pinch weld overspray - plus what ever paint jobs this body has seen through the years.

Given when  # 1982 was likely built I would expect you will find a darker batch color as the original floor color

Definitely looks like a dark batch color, and it was in at least two rear end accidents before I got it, so I am sure its been painted a couple of times. You can see here outside the frame rail:
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150517_135112.jpg)
the dark color in the 3 "box" areas, the reddish/orange area and the red over spray. All of this was very thin as the blaster took it right off. The sheet metal under it is in very nice condition, so as I mentioned previously, I do not think all that reddish/orange is rust. But I could be wrong. I'll take a closer look at the passenger side before blasting it off.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on May 18, 2015, 03:51:43 PM
Maybe a thread rename? I like the idea of not having to jump from area to area to follow the build............

Renamed it - so we'll see how that goes.   

IF it gets too long we can then start a new one when the subject changes to (for example) painting, reassembly, interior or so on
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 18, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
Renamed it - so we'll see how that goes.   

IF it gets too long we can then start a new one when the subject changes to (for example) painting, reassembly, interior or so on

Thanks Jeff. I'm also following Brant's rebuild of his 66. My end goal is a factory looking driver that performs a little better than factory. A weekend driver that I can take to a show, or the strip. I might even try my hand at a road course. Those that have followed my gallery have an idea whats in store, and hopefully all will be revealed here in the coming months.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: mwizz on May 19, 2015, 10:12:21 AM
Enjoying this thread, thanks
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 19, 2015, 01:12:12 PM
Enjoying this thread, thanks

Glad to hear!  I am a computer technician/Network Administrator by trade, not a professional mechanic or body man at all. All that I am doing I have learned myself from trial and error (or success). I do have to thank my father for letting me hand him tools as he worked on his boat when I was young. I am sure that is what got me started and gave me the confidence that this type of stuff could be done at home.

I have also done a lot of reading, watching videos, and asking questions. This is the 4th Mustang I have worked on, and I have rebuilt engines, transmissions, rear ends, done body work and painted the body myself in the garage. I do not claim to know everything, or much of anything, so if anyone has any questions or comments please feel free to voice them.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 26, 2015, 10:01:00 AM
I took another turn this past weekend and worked on my front suspension. Remembering that I am not going 100% stock, but I am also not doing anything to the car that cant be undone, I bought an upper/lower control arm set off eBay to install the opentrackrracing.com DYI Upper and Lower Roller control arm kits w/roller spring perch. I did not use my control arms as this requires cutting and welding into the pivot points to install the roller bearing's. I only got one upper arm done, but did get some work one the second upper and a little work on one lower. To see all the work done on the one upper and in full size, see my PHOTO GALLERY (http://redshost.com/gt350/index016.html).

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150524_144919.jpg)

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150524_182240.jpg)

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150525_155116.jpg)

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150525_173639.jpg)

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150525_184558.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: ruppstang on May 26, 2015, 02:17:09 PM
Interesting, it would be great if you could size your pictures larger. My old eyes are not that good.
Marty
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 26, 2015, 02:22:23 PM
Interesting, it would be great if you could size your pictures larger. My old eyes are not that good.
Marty

Marty,

Click on this --> PHOTO GALLERY (http://redshost.com/gt350/index016.html) <-- link to see the page of thumbnails (as seen here) and then click on each thumbnail to see the larger pictures. I'd attache the larger ones here but each one takes up the entire screen.

Hope this helps with your eyes.  :-)

David
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 27, 2015, 12:21:37 PM
I have to do a bit of work with the air cut off tool to remove the ball joint from the lower control arm, then use another hole saw to cut a hole to install a sleeve for the screw in ball joint. The other end of the lower control arm has had its bushing pressed out and a sleeve for a  spherical bearing (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image348.html) welded into place. Finally there is some  bracing (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image348.html) that is to be welded on the bottom side to "box" in the lower control arm to keep it from flexing. It will then be dipped to give it a proper appearance. I thing the upper control arm is supposed to be all natural? Leaving it totally bare will allow it to rust so it will need to be coated with something, a flat clear coat or steel color paint? At any rate all this work should smooth out the movement of the front suspension and remove any flex in the control arm area. I am also considering the 1" drop of the upper control arm to improve the geometry of the suspension.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on May 27, 2015, 03:09:44 PM
I read another thread on this forum where there was talk about containers to use to hold the paint when dipping the control arms in. As I will only be dipping two lower arms, I figured I'd use a long thin plastic bag similar to a newspaper wrapper, only something a little thicker.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 02, 2015, 11:41:38 PM
How does this look for possibly being the original batch color? It is a little darker than the Candy Apple Red. It also has a glossy surface, possibly from my cleaning it to get a good picture?

EDIT: The Candy Apple Red is on the left, and the Maroon color batch is on the right.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on June 03, 2015, 01:12:08 AM
How does this look for possibly being the original batch color? It is a little darker than the Candy Apple Red. It also has a glossy surface, possibly from my cleaning it to get a good picture?

Looks closer and IMHO more likely red oxide

Not a finish I've seen used on other cars built around your cars assembly time but there always has to be the first one

I don't recalling if you've ever shared the real completion date for #1982
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 03, 2015, 02:17:20 AM
I know this car has been re painted, but what I am looking at is under other layers. I don't think that in the 70's someone re painted the under carriage. Here is something else, looks like a mark from the line dolly on the front frame rail around the mounting hole.

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 03, 2015, 02:19:41 AM
I don't recalling if you've ever shared the real completion date for #1982

Per the Marti Report, April 14th, 4 days behind schedule.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on June 03, 2015, 02:29:44 AM
I know this car has been re painted, but what I am looking at is under other layers. I don't think that in the 70's someone re painted the under carriage. Here is something else, looks like a mark from the line dolly on the front frame rail around the mounting hole.

Yes undercarriages would have not normally been repainted till late 70's  ::) on some cars.

No but overspray from a tape and spray can find its way all over the place. Might want to look for a nice spot up above where the trans was, maybe it was protected by oil and gunk over the years ;)

Thanks for the date now I can  better compare what you find with other know cars
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on June 03, 2015, 04:24:33 AM
Per the Marti Report, April 14th, 4 days behind schedule.
Red oxide would be very out of the ordinary for a April 69 built Dearborn Mustang/Shelby if that is in fact what you are looking at. I have seen some redish maroon looking batch paint before. You may want to take a lot of pictures because Red oxide  will seem like a tall tale to Boss ,Shelby and Mustang people who are familiar with Dearborn assembly patterns given the build date.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 03, 2015, 09:14:09 AM
Red oxide would be very out of the ordinary for a April 69 built Dearborn Mustang/Shelby if that is in fact what you are looking at. I have seen some redish maroon looking batch paint before. You may want to take a lot of pictures because Red oxide  will seem like a tall tale to Boss ,Shelby and Mustang people who are familiar with Dearborn assembly patterns given the build date.
What I am looking at, and maybe its not as clear in the photos, is something that looks more like a Maroon color. If you look around the top right edge of the picture you can see there is black undercoating/sound deadener on top of it. I'll crawl under the car again this evening and see what I can find in the trans tunnel area. For the most part it is all coated black, so I might have to get some of that off to see what is under it.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: mtinkham on June 03, 2015, 02:05:42 PM
Not sure if the brake drums are still being used to support the car on the safety stands....if so, you might want to move the stands so the drums don't get warped or bent.

Sometimes very rewarding doing your own work...keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 03, 2015, 02:36:10 PM
Not sure if the brake drums are still being used to support the car on the safety stands....if so, you might want to move the stands so the drums don't get warped or bent.

Sometimes very rewarding doing your own work...keep up the good work.
The Jack Stand was only there as a backup to the 2ton floor jack that was actually holding the car up. When I'm under the car, I like redundancy! 
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 03, 2015, 02:43:28 PM
As far as holding the car up, I am going to build a cradle that uses the 4 wheel dollies to roll around on, and have the car supported by the assembly line points.  This way I can remove the suspension to work on it, and finish up stripping and re-painting/coating the undercarriage.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 1970shelbyguy on June 04, 2015, 04:33:35 AM
if you remove the clip that holds the upper end of the rear axle vent tube to floor it'll show some kind of primer or batch paint sealer. mine was like battleship grey.  june gt500
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 04, 2015, 10:21:31 PM
if you remove the clip that holds the upper end of the rear axle vent tube to floor it'll show some kind of primer or batch paint sealer. mine was like battleship grey.  june gt500

Pulled the clip off, and here is what I found. I see very dark, close to black if not black, I see red, and I see maroon. What do you see?

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on June 04, 2015, 10:25:57 PM
.....What do you see?

We've got batch!!!  :) As expected

With exterior overspray it looks like that when viewed through the overspray on a dark grey background might look maroon or purple.  WOuld expect (not always) that you'll find red oxide color at the front frame rails in front of the firewall

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 04, 2015, 11:07:03 PM
I figured it was batch, but I'm still trying to determine the color (yes, its a mixture), so I can do my best to reproduce it.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on June 05, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
As mentioned in other threads I started with a early 2000's VW exterior color and tinted it to match what we found for the April 2nd Shelby I did.

Pictures in that thread of the resulting floor color
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 05, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
This is a little confusing, right by the bolt hole you can see a lighter red color that was under the bracket. Then there is a patch of a very dark color with a dark maroon color around the edge of that. Then its all surface rust.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on June 05, 2015, 08:05:33 PM
This is a little confusing, right by the bolt hole you can see a lighter red color that was under the bracket. Then there is a patch of a very dark color with a dark maroon color around the edge of that. Then its all surface rust.

Think what your seeing is typical its just that you've not had allot of experience with these details. If the overspray is over the gray batch then as you clean the overspray is removed, leaving the area cleaned the batch color and the area around the well cleaned area will be the overspray that hasn't been cleaned through and outside of that the uncleaned (less cleaned) area/surface


What I normally do, since I often have to share/convince other of what I'm seeing at the moment. Is to take a series of pictures as I clean through the layers. that way others can see layer 1 being removed, to expose layer 2, then expose layer 3..... and so on.

Will see if I have one of those examples available

Guess I can just share a floor section (have a collection in a bag) when I've cleaned the layers though that will not show the progression.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 05, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
My first pictures were of the area cleaned with Mineral Spirits. The second I hit it with 1000 grit. No, I do not have any experience looking for color on the bottom of the car. When I was starting all this I was ready to paint it with the Red Oxide color as I was seeing in other photos of restored cars. It looks nicer than batch, but it would be wrong for those trying to restore it back to factory as it came off the line.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 08, 2015, 11:06:04 AM
Built a cradle to hold the car so I can take the suspension off. Still need to add two more casters to the middle to keep it from sagging (Its holding the weight, but causing a change in angle on the existing casters), using the tire dollies for now. Pressure cleaned the front end to get the dirt and loose seam sealer off. In these photos you can see the Red Oxide primer between the shock tower and front radiator support along with the factory "D" mark on the passenger side. The radiator support is painted black on both sides and from the cowl area the body color fades to the shock towers where it is... well, rusty for now. Drivers side shows about the same but w/o any factory markings except for the yellow stripe on the front coil springs.

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 67gtasanjose on June 08, 2015, 12:33:09 PM
Looks dangerous to me...be careful. IMHO, I would rethink this cradle. Bump into a crack in the pavement and a collapse looks imminent.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on June 08, 2015, 01:26:52 PM
It has been tested and its very stable. It was originally a crate to ship outboard motors (250HP) in. I had two crates and it took me about 1/2 hour just to tear one apart for the materials to supplement the one I used. I used pegs in the holes in the frame rails to keep the car from moving on the posts.  Its main purpose is to move the car from the garage to the driveway where I work on it. Luckily there are no bumps or cracks for it to roll over, just a slight incline for liquids to run out of the garage and down the driveway.

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on July 24, 2015, 11:28:58 PM
Took the dash out and hit it with 55 psi fine sand to clean the paint and rust off the front. Going to need to do a little more on the back side.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150724_210517.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image476.html)

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150724_210528.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image477.html)

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on July 25, 2015, 03:56:15 PM
Have the firewall mostly stripped. Cleaning it up getting it ready to seal it back up and paint it. If anyone needs any photos of anything specific let me know.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150725_112211.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image487.html)

Also, here is my original firewall pad. What ever that was above it totally fell apart and is useless.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150725_112231.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image488.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 05, 2015, 10:50:30 PM
I've been busy, here is some interior work

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150809_190432.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image562.html)
Took care of all the rust and primered the interior

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150828_171755.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image567.html)
Followed by a coat of Red

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150825_213136.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image565.html)
Took care of all the rust, replaced the glove box door and painted the metal dash
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 05, 2015, 11:12:43 PM
Started taking the front suspension apart between all the thunder storms down here

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150904_153240.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image586.html)
Rented a spring compressor from AutoZone. I think the instructions say to put the hooks at the top and hex head at the bottom but that will not work. Accessing the hex head from the upper shock opening and compressing the spring allowed it to drop right out.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150904_153702.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image588.html)
Examining the spring for marks only shows the yellow stripe, along with some yellow in other areas. The rubber bushing at the top is hard and brittle.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150905_133351.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image601.html)
Suspension is out on the drivers side. The red behind the shock tower was from a repaint back in 1992, the rest is original

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150905_133429.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image603.html)
Numbers from the factory on the front frame, looks to be 715. Might be something before that to the left of the wire clip

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150905_184106.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image609.html)
Drivers side spindle, "KkX" "2413" "SET" but the "S" is reversed. Big Suspension?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 06, 2015, 10:28:11 AM
With the Big Suspension, when I am looking for replacement parts (Tie Rod), do I order parts for the 1969 B9 section? Did they use the same brake assemblies or was there a difference in that area as well?

Was just looking at RockAuto, they are selling the same (Moog) parts for both the 69 351W and B9 Mustangs. Looks like I might have to buy from NPD as they differentiate the pre and post April Shelby parts.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 08, 2015, 12:18:40 AM
Any thoughts on the tie rod components that I'll need to replace mine?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 09, 2015, 12:33:37 AM
From Mustang 360 (http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-0312-1970-shelby-gt500-convertible/#ixzz3lCzD4LcX):

At the middle of the '69 model year, there were three different Mustang suspension combinations (according to size of spindles, rotors, tie-rod ends, and drag links). There was the regular Mustang suspension, the Boss 429 suspension (which collectors call the KKX suspension), and the Boss 302 suspension for the new F60x15 wide oval tires. For 1970, Ford beefed up the suspension on all Mustangs, so the spindles, rotors, tie-rod ends, and drag links were the same size.

Shelbys began receiving the big suspension, called "extra heavy duty," on April 15, 1969.


#1982 was scheduled for build 4/10/69, and actually built on 4/14/69, and has the KKX spindles, one day before the Big Suspension change over?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 09, 2015, 12:38:14 AM
From Mustang 360 (http://www.mustangandfords.com/featured-vehicles/mump-0312-1970-shelby-gt500-convertible/#ixzz3lCzD4LcX):

At the middle of the '69 model year, there were three different Mustang suspension combinations (according to size of spindles, rotors, tie-rod ends, and drag links). There was the regular Mustang suspension, the Boss 429 suspension (which collectors call the KKX suspension), and the Boss 302 suspension for the new F60x15 wide oval tires. For 1970, Ford beefed up the suspension on all Mustangs, so the spindles, rotors, tie-rod ends, and drag links were the same size.

Shelbys began receiving the big suspension, called "extra heavy duty," on April 15, 1969.


#1982 was scheduled for build 4/10/69, and actually built on 4/14/69, and has the KKX spindles, one day before the Big Suspension change over?
The April 15th date was approximate. If you have the KKX spindles it is the big suspension.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on September 09, 2015, 02:04:37 AM
The April 15th date was approximate. .........

+1 And not a good one either ;) 

Have a April 2nd car with the large suspension. Believe it is one of the earlier ones to receive it.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on September 09, 2015, 02:06:44 AM
Numbers from the factory on the front frame, looks to be 715. Might be something before that to the left of the wire clip

715 was likely the cars second rotation number

To the left was possibly an "F" as discussed before. Sometimes all that is found is a sloppy "X" an  F without the top cross bar
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 09, 2015, 02:23:44 AM
Closer inspection does have it looking like there is an "X" as the first character.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 09, 2015, 02:29:41 AM
The April 15th date was approximate. If you have the KKX spindles it is the big suspension.
Yes, as shown in the photo's. Is there anything that documents what parts were used so that I may rebuild the front steering? B9 parts possibly?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 09, 2015, 02:43:04 AM
Any thoughts on the tie rod components that I'll need to replace mine?
They are the large suspension tie rod ends like 1970 Mustangs used .
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 09, 2015, 11:03:15 AM
So here I am thinking that there was a limited run where they used 69 B9 (or similar) specific parts, when the Big Suspension is just what they changed to in the mid 69 year. So with the KKX spindles, to get the parts I just need to ask for, or shop using a 70's steering system. 
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on September 09, 2015, 07:05:58 PM
IMHO just forget the Boss 429 connection and focus on the big suspension since Boss 429 use some different parts that the Shelby and Boss 302's didn't use. It was not as much a "limited" run but instead a running change for cars that were to be equipped with the new wider tires Ford wanted to use on some cars (yes there a very limited number of cars leased to Hertz that got the big suspension but didn't get the wider tires)

You can substitute 70 parts for some of the items to make things work but many were 69 only parts (like the spindles) since even the KKX were not used on all 69's with big suspension as they started to transition to D0 parts before the model year changed on a number of parts. Yes it can get confusing

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 15, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
They are the large suspension tie rod ends like 1970 Mustangs used .
Called NPD and asked about the tie rod parts. They consulted an MCA Concourse Judge there who said all the parts are the same as all other 69 Mustangs except the Spindles and rotors.

I look up the Moog ES364RL inner tie rod I've happened to have since the 80's with several vendors. Summit states it will fit my 69 GT350, and a lot of other Mustangs. Amazon states it will not. Jegs just states 67-69.

I'm beginning to think I'm just going to have to take mine and a pair of calipers to the local parts store and buy them there as long as all the measurements match.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on September 16, 2015, 01:23:12 AM
Called NPD and asked about the tie rod parts. They consulted an MCA Concourse Judge there who said all the parts are the same as all other 69 Mustangs except the Spindles and rotors. ....

Hmm wonder who they contacted. Will mention (help) Scott when I respond to a current request for info on another detail.

Wonder if it was a Shelby or Mustang judge.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on September 16, 2015, 02:04:01 AM
Called NPD and asked about the tie rod parts. They consulted an MCA Concourse Judge there who said all the parts are the same as all other 69 Mustangs except the Spindles and rotors.

I look up the Moog ES364RL inner tie rod I've happened to have since the 80's with several vendors. Summit states it will fit my 69 GT350, and a lot of other Mustangs. Amazon states it will not. Jegs just states 67-69.

I'm beginning to think I'm just going to have to take mine and a pair of calipers to the local parts store and buy them there as long as all the measurements match.
You ether got a uninformed telephone order taker or they had a uninformed concourse(concours) judge as a reference or both. I can't believe any informed concours judge would not know the difference . Page 111 of NPD catalog shows 70-73 tie rod ends (big suspension) as we have indicated to get .There is a listing for 69 Boss which uses the same numbers (big suspension) for the inners and the outers. The tie rods are the same regardless if manual or power steering unlike 65/66.I hope this puts a end to the debate .
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 16, 2015, 12:04:49 PM
I called the Ocala NPD Location and asked if there was anyone who was more of a Shelby expert. I was told no, that everyone handled everything. So I posed the question of the 69 mid year (April) change over to the big suspension and he had no idea, so he went to ask the MCA Judge. He did not offer any names and I guess I made the mistake of not asking for any. I am not denying any information given here, just expressing the frustration in trying to acquire the proper parts.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on September 16, 2015, 05:43:35 PM
Though it would be nice - IMHO can't really expect the suppliers to get/focus into subjects as we can here for each and every year.

Its been my experience that with any supplier (Grand Auto, local parts store or national Mustang parts house) you often need to tell them what you need or will work rather than always leave it to them to fill that gap.

Just me - sure we can discuss the challenges for a long long time  ::)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 03, 2015, 06:03:07 PM
I ordered a lot of parts from NPD including the tie rod ends and adjusting sleeves. Honestly, I am disappointing at what I got for the steering components. They are McQuay-Norris parts, some consider them to be the low end or economy parts. The adjusting sleeves do not have the proper "bulge" between the clamps. I ended up going to my local Auto Zone and picked up the tie rod ends and sleeves (Duralast) there. The ends look about the same, but the adjuster sleeves look a lot more original, and it all cost me a lot less than what I got from NPD.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 03, 2015, 06:13:47 PM
I've cleaned up the front end, got it all primered, then sprayed again in a flat enamel that has the same color as the red oxide primer.
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20150927_185616.jpg)
I am going to use what I found on the car as how I am going to paint it again. Note there is a lot of red oxide color on the outside in front of the shock towers. You can see where the black was sprayed through the holes in the upper areas.
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20150607_181248.jpg)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20150607_181302.jpg)
I know this car has been apart/re-painted before, but I can find no evidence that the black was ever re-sprayed creating this pattern on the outside.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on October 03, 2015, 07:49:03 PM
I ordered a lot of parts from NPD including the tie rod ends and adjusting sleeves. Honestly, I am disappointing at what I got for the steering components. They are McQuay-Norris parts, some consider them to be the low end or economy parts. The adjusting sleeves do not have the proper "bulge" between the clamps. I ended up going to my local Auto Zone and picked up the tie rod ends and sleeves (Duralast) there. The ends look about the same, but the adjuster sleeves look a lot more original, and it all cost me a lot less than what I got from NPD.
There is not supposed to be a bulge between the clamps. That is a sign of a service replacement part or after market part. The assemblyline  sleeves had the same diameter along their length.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 03, 2015, 07:54:53 PM
There is not supposed to be a bulge between the clamps. That is a sign of a service replacement part or after market part. The assemblyline  sleeves had the same diameter along their length.

Ahhh! I saw those someplace and did not get them. Looks like mine have been replaced at some point then.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 04, 2015, 06:15:11 PM
Ahhh! I saw those someplace and did not get them. Looks like mine have been replaced at some point then.
And now I have to correct myself. I pulled my steering linkage off and set it aside knowing I would have to clean up the center link later as that was going to be re-used. Now I go back and look at the tie rods and adjusting sleeves, and they are mostly flat. I must have been thinking one one of my other cars. So it is possible, and more than likely with the low millage of this car that what was on it were the original. But, the upper control arm ball joint had 4 bolts instead of rivets, so it looks like they (both sides) were replaced for some reason. There was also damage to the passenger shock tower where grease fittings were made to fit. Drivers side had grease fittings as well but no damage to the shock tower.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 04, 2015, 06:36:06 PM
Depending on how the car was exposed to the elements the black can "wear" off quickly. So what we see now may be different from 50 years ago. Looks like there is black at the leading edge of the shock tower pocket

Interesting that the 8 slash isn't visible.

Is your car a red car originally?

Yes, Candy Apple Red. Here is the drivers side before any resto work.
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20150907_171928.jpg)(Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20150907_171928.jpg))
Same as the passenger side but you can see a black patch where the washer bottle area is. There is also black around where the fuel line goes through, and again, some over spray from the holes at the top of the apron from spraying the top side. When were the bumper arms added, before or after the black was sprayed? You can see where my arms were removed and it is red oxy underneath. There is a black area in the lower corner and across the bottom of the shock tower (sealant?), the rest of the darkness is shadows from the photography. So in an effort to try to return the car to the way I have found it, do I paint it how it is, or do it look at others and do it that way?

And here is my re-paint
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151004_001337.jpg) (Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image674.html))
I can always spray on more black.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on October 04, 2015, 08:43:02 PM
When were the bumper arms added, before or after the black was sprayed?

Well after (second half o f the assembly process) the painting was all through

You can see where my arms were removed and it is red oxy underneath. There is a black area in the lower corner and across the bottom of the shock tower (sealant?), the rest of the darkness is shadows from the photography. So in an effort to try to return the car to the way I have found it, do I paint it how it is, or do it look at others and do it that way?

There was often sealant by the worker that applied the sealant to the firewall to inner fender and frame (at the rear of the wheel well) into that lower pocket. You can see the application at the front and rear of the opening as well as just a little of the frame lip there in front of the pocket.

This would have been painted over like the rearward application though through age, wear and damage much of the upper layer can get worn off
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 04, 2015, 09:01:45 PM
This car may have the age, but the wear is very little. It's been sitting (not driven) since the mid 70's with an exception of 2 years of limited driving when I purchased it, from 1982 through 1983.

Jeff, Not that I'm trying to argue, ok just a little, your recommendation is to finish it off black from the towers forward, with some spray in the towers as normally seen despite what I have documented?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on October 04, 2015, 09:24:06 PM
This car may have the age, but the wear is very little. It's been sitting (not driven) since the mid 70's with an exception of 2 years of limited driving when I purchased it, from 1982 through 1983.

Jeff, Not that I'm trying to argue, ok just a little, your recommendation is to finish it off black from the towers forward, with some spray in the towers as normally seen despite what I have documented?

Please understand we have to balance our responses to specific question about specific cars in a public forum carefully since if we mentions or discuss a particular process that was different from the "norm" them people/owners watching will almost automatically copy that detail onto their car rather than discuss the subject so we end up with allot more "restored cars" with a detail than might have been originally produced. Plenty of examples of this over the last 30 plus years :(

That was the first purpose for mentioning that we're looking at old/worn panels - I know that I've cleaned off allot of inner panels and in doing so likely removed 50-70% of the overspray with the cleaning. Also if exposed to the sun, black paint applied to the engine compartment or wheel wells can pretty much vanish over time. Again - not specifically aimed at your car but for others that may be or will read the thread in the future.

If your comfortable with what your finding and determining - its your car and your responsibility.


As for the lack of black on the forward inner panels I would think that some has to be a result of cleaning or age since its fairly impossible to paint the face of the radiator support and the top edge (fender lip) of the inners without getting some small amount of direct application of black or at least overspray.

Like any other process it can be between a little or allot depending on the worker and I have seen cars similar to yous built in 69 at Dearborn with very little. Your original was answered with how things were typically done and the only thing I can go on since I had not seen pictures of your car at that point.

Hope this explains the process, concerns and how we got to this point ;)

While we're on the pictures - (sorry can't recall if its been mentioned) is there a reason the back end of the wheel wells were painted at some point?   Notice that the hood hinge bolts have paint on them. Not that its important since your redoing it all but didn't want others to see the pictures and assume that they were all original
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 04, 2015, 09:36:02 PM
While we're on the pictures - (sorry can't recall if its been mentioned) is there a reason the back end of the wheel wells were painted at some point?   Notice that the hood hinge bolts have paint on them. Not that its important since your redoing it all but didn't want others to see the pictures and assume that they were all original
Back in 1991-1992, I had painted the car from the rear splash guards back (making sure I got the air boxes) with the hood hinges in place (but not inside the engine bay). So that area is incorrect and will be corrected. Unfortunately, that area was not documented before I sprayed.     :-(
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 04, 2015, 09:52:16 PM
I have to admit, I never thought I'd be taking this car apart as much as I have, done as much work to it as I have, and still have so much to do to it. Yes, I am making minor modifications to it, as I want to show it, drive it, race it (exhibition style). But I do want it to look right, to be right.

That is where I do have the people here to thank. Jeff and Bob mostly for all your input. I know it may not be how you would do it if it were yours, but that's just it, its mine and I have a different goal in mind. I've had a rough life (but that's another story) and this is my high school dream car that even though I owned it, was denied to me for so long. As of two years ago (2013), all the restrictions are off and I am moving on with the project, and enjoying every minute of it.    :D
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 12, 2015, 11:33:55 AM
Finally got around to dropping the rear axle and springs out of the car. Removing the U bolts on the drivers side to separate the spring from the axle I noted the axle mounting pad was dented next to the alignment hold for spring. Seems when they attached the axle to the spring, it was a little off but they torqued the U bolts down anyway. So the rear end has been a little out of alignment all these years.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151010_162621.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image671.html)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151010_162705.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image673.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 12, 2015, 11:44:08 AM
Cleaning of the carrier/pumpkin and noting the factory markings.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151011_154211.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image674.html)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151011_154222.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image675.html)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151011_155625.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image678.html)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151011_155641.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image679.html)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151011_162205.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image680.html)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151011_162221.jpg) Click here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image681.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 19, 2015, 02:23:01 AM
Spent Sunday afternoon with the sand blaster.
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151018_165844.jpg) Click Here for full size (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image717.html)

Going to get it ready for some paint next.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 20, 2015, 04:39:02 PM
I had recently seen some photos of a 69-70 fast back, possibly a Mach I that showed a lot of details of the rear axle/differential. But now that I have mine ready to finish up, I cant find it. Not sure if it was here, on-line someplace or even Mustang Monthly (though I have looked through the last couple if issues and not seen it). Can someone point me in the right direction? I could use a reference. Thanks.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on October 20, 2015, 05:03:29 PM
I had recently seen some photos of a 69-70 fast back, possibly a Mach I that showed a lot of details of the rear axle/differential. But now that I have mine ready to finish up, I cant find it. ............

Are you looking for it to copy paint marks and such to your car  or some other details (paint and machined areas) ???

Just because one car had markings does not mean your car had the same - some are plant applied/specific while others are from the rear end plant

Hate to see your car with codes and marks from a 1970 3.91 rear end (for example) as this will only (possibly) lead others that view your car astray if they choose to copy someone elses in the same way


Looking at your pictures you seemed to have found and documented a fair number of the originals
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 20, 2015, 05:15:17 PM
Jeff, I thought you might ask me that.    ;D     I documented mine so I can put MY marks back on. But as you can see from my photos, mine was in very bad shape from the elements. I just wanted something done right for reference. Getting parts the proper color, etc. I know its fairly simple, but I'd like to see another one.

Thanks.

ps, sure wish someone had not broken the tag off   :-\
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on October 20, 2015, 05:49:56 PM
Rearend housing is all black except for the face where the third member and the backing plates attached. In the picture the studs for the third member were darkened after the picture was taken. Pictures are from that GT350 built about 100 cars before yours (sequential numbers) April 14th verses April 2nd real build dates - so about 2 weeks before yours.

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-201015154312-4700540.jpeg)



Backing plates to rearend housing are a dark natural finish (unpainted) The wheel cylinder is natural cast iron and those retaining bolts are unpainted

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-201015154314-4701781.jpeg)



Third member showing most of the machined surfaces and finishes. Snubber not installed at the moment so that the upper machined surfaces could be seen

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-201015154311-46992196.jpeg)



Faces of the brake drums were blacked - out

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-201015154309-4692499.jpeg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 20, 2015, 06:29:40 PM
Thanks Jeff. I did not see any yellow on the end of my pinion shaft, or a color on the  yolk flange (http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2002/02/nineinch/diagram.gif). I did have the yellow mark on the side of the yolk. I am not going to remove my carrier, everything seems tight, no leaks, the clutch pack seems very tight. I am going to replace all the copper washers and nuts on the housing to carrier. All new brake lines on the axle (well, the entire car), new wheel cylinders in the rear. Looks like I am going to have to replace the e-brake cables as the rubber tubing has been cracking and falling off that section near the axle. So is the axle black gloss, or semi/satin? And what is that light yellow where the axle tubes meet the brake backing plate?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on October 20, 2015, 08:44:45 PM
........So is the axle black gloss, or semi/satin?


Semi- gloss but IMHO glossier than engine compartment and things like pulleys. Backing plates slightly more gloss. Possibly due to the paint used and how it was applied. Backing plates can have a heavy coat - even possibly dipped

And what is that light yellow where the axle tubes meet the brake backing plate?

Its brighter out of car (seen up to school bus yellow on some examples)  It may have identified a specific  housing for the workers. and (the tube marking) is something I've not found on other years and applications (other than Mustangs) Have examples (9")  from 69 Boss 302's and CJ's also. May be only during specific time period my end of April Boss 302 didn't have it.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on October 20, 2015, 09:17:42 PM
Ok, so flatten the black twice and add hardener once. I did not see any signs of the yellow on the axle housing ends on mine, but that could be due to the extreme rusting mine suffered. Either way, I'll leave it off mine as I did not document it being there and per your comment it may not have been on all axle housings.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 07, 2015, 08:19:01 PM
So I was looking around and found this photo on the 1969stang.com forum.

http://1969stang.com/forum/index.php?/topic/40793-correct-coil-spring-markings/   <-- page on the forum

http://photos.mustangsbymike.com/albums/Mach-1-Candy-Apple-Red/P1005207.jpg   <-- photo gallery

I know nothing of this car and do not claim it to be correct, just that the outside aprons are painted in the same fashion as I have mine.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 07, 2015, 08:26:39 PM
Blasted and painted my front springs today. As per my previous photos, I could not determine what other color might have been as the 2nd stripe (no build sheet), so for now there is only the yellow. (ignore the red reflection)

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151107_183247.jpg)  click here for the full size image (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image746.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 07, 2015, 08:31:41 PM
I also finally found the original three stripes on my drive shaft. Looks to be black, white, and ??

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151106_140802.jpg) click here for full size image (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image733.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 07, 2015, 10:54:51 PM
I know nothing of this car and do not claim it to be correct, just that the outside aprons are painted in the same fashion as I have mine.

Doesn't way anything about when or where that car was built - and no pictures to show if they repainted them the same as they found them or copied someone else's "restoration".  Not sure if they apply to anything your doing - just an observation

Did found time to go through and grab some of the pictures you posted the link to related to the disassembly of your car and found that the early pictures, before the red oxide applied over the rear section of the front wheel well shows body color as I would have expected and provided earlier in our discussion not like you finished them and not matching the car in the link you provided on the other site.  Looks like body color almost (if not to) the back edge of the shock tower area.

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-071115210230.jpeg)



Maybe the assembly is at a point where you could still correct this so it will match the original pattern found on your car.  Hope so

Blasted and painted my front springs today. As per my previous photos, I could not determine what other color might have been as the 2nd stripe (no build sheet), so for now there is only the yellow. (ignore the red reflection)

If you could find the time - could you again post what trans the car came with (already can figure its a PS, AC, sportroof  ;) It may be somewhere int he thread but its getting long and there bye a bit harder to search all the replies ( just reached #101 of them)  Guessing that since its  Hertz  rental its a automatic

Looking at other cars built around the same time and equipped (minus trans info)  we find that there were two springs

For Automatics - Markings where Yellow and Tan just like was applied to the Hertz automatic car I restored within a few cars of yours ;)



I also finally found the original three stripes on my drive shaft. Looks to be black, white, and ??

Not unusual for drvielines to be swapped over the years - Is it a tube in tube?  Tapered?

Markings don't match any factory documentation for a car built that year with your cares options or drivetrain

Buildsheet lists - CHLAWT


Hope this helps fill in some blanks for you and your project
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 07, 2015, 11:25:23 PM
Doesn't way anything about when or where that car was built - and no pictures to show if they repainted them the same as they found them or copied someone else's "restoration".  Not sure if they apply to anything your doing - just an observation
Exactly, just an observation, a coincidence?   ::)

If you could find the time - could you again post what trans the car came with (already can figure its a PS, AC, sportroof  ;) It may be somewhere int he thread but its getting long and there bye a bit harder to search all the replies ( just reached #101 of them)  Guessing that since its  Hertz  rental its a automatic
Spot on! FMX

Looking at other cars built around the same time and equipped (minus trans info)  we find that there were two springs

For Automatics - Markings where Yellow and Tan just like was applied to the Hertz automatic car I restored within a few cars of yours ;)
I was thinking I'd do tan, but as I have no documentation, as you say, better to leave it off as it could always be added later. Thanks, I'll go out and add that now so it will be dry in the morning.

Not unusual for drvielines to be swapped over the years - Is it a tube in tube?  Tapered?

Markings don't match any factory documentation for a car built that year with your cares options or drivetrain

Buildsheet lists - CHLAWT
Straight, single tube no taper. Both U-joints have been changed as they both had grease fittings. Image here. (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image727.html) If this is incorrect, it looks like it has been changed then.

Hope this helps fill in some blanks for you and your project
It has, thank you Jeff.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 07, 2015, 11:30:37 PM
I was thinking I'd do tan, but as I have no documentation, as you say, better to leave it off as it could always be added later. Thanks, I'll go out and add that now so it will be dry in the morning.

I think buildsheets and documented observations from other cars from he same period and with in a few days of when your car was built would be enough for this marking - one of the standard consistent ones - much different IMHO than (for example) radiator scribes or worker notes to others written on the interior ;)

But your car your choice


Straight, single tube no taper. Both U-joints have been changed as they both had grease fittings.If this is incorrect, it looks like it has been changed then.

It's incorrect for the application. Yours would look like the one I refinished for the How to restore your driveline article in the Library
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 07, 2015, 11:33:09 PM
Did found time to go through and grab some of the pictures you posted the link to related to the disassembly of your car and found that the early pictures, before the red oxide applied over the rear section of the front wheel well shows body color as I would have expected and provided earlier in our discussion not like you finished them and not matching the car in the link you provided on the other site.  Looks like body color almost (if not to) the back edge of the shock tower area.

Here (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image014.html) is a photo before I painted the car in the late 80's, before I knew what I was covering up.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 12, 2015, 10:52:56 PM
Pictured is the tail light panel I got from NPD. I do not remember the lip sticking out into the trunk like that. Shouldn't it be bent under, cut off, something? Anyone have a photo of a correct one?

(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20151112_184009.jpg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 12, 2015, 11:07:31 PM
Your correct - on originals that lip is bent back towards the taillight panel and isn't that wide

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-121115210643-47861300.jpeg)


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-121115210641-47851212.jpeg)


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-121115210639-47831286.jpeg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 14, 2015, 07:22:51 PM
What do you think about these light blue marks on the spindles (bottom of photo)? Factory marking or did someone drive over a light blue parking block?   :o

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 14, 2015, 07:33:24 PM
What do you think about these light blue marks on the spindles (bottom of photo)? Factory marking or did someone drive over a light blue parking block?   :o

Those - especially the one on the left - appear to be more of a teal color IMHO which would match the mark expected to be found on the "big" or heavy duty suspension. A match for the spindle markings you showed earlier and the same as on the Hertz car I did built just prior to your cars date

Nice find and confirmation :)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 14, 2015, 07:38:48 PM
Those - especially the one on the left - appear to be more of a teal color IMHO which would match the mark expected to be found on the "big" or heavy duty suspension. A match for the spindle markings you showed earlier and the same as on the Hertz car I did built just prior to your cars date

Nice find and confirmation :)
It's the "BIG" suspension, the car's build date is 4/14/69.

Thanks again Jeff.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 14, 2015, 10:35:59 PM
It's the "BIG" suspension, the car's build date is 4/14/69.

Looks like your only missing the identification wire wrap around the upper (to the upper ball joint) arm that was used to identify that particular spindle to the line workers. Have no idea of why they did that unless it was to make it really stand out (rather than just using the color coding like normally done) due to the earlier mess up of putting the wrong spindles on the wrong cars for a while on the line that required a "fix", publishing a few documents that were sent out to dealers and service managers and likely someone getting in trouble for all the cost associated to the mess up


The information is covered in a listing in the 69 Mustang section of the Library under - 69 Disc Brake Spindle and/or Hub and Rotor Mismatch
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 15, 2015, 03:32:27 PM
Looks like your only missing the identification wire wrap around the upper (to the upper ball joint) arm that was used to identify that particular spindle to the line workers. Have no idea of why they did that unless it was to make it really stand out (rather than just using the color coding like normally done) due to the earlier mess up of putting the wrong spindles on the wrong cars for a while on the line that required a "fix", publishing a few documents that were sent out to dealers and service managers and likely someone getting in trouble for all the cost associated to the mess up


The information is covered in a listing in the 69 Mustang section of the Library under - 69 Disc Brake Spindle and/or Hub and Rotor Mismatch

Per the Hub and Rotor mismatch issue, the BIG suspension spindle should have the 2" Blue stripe. Is this the Teal strip you mentioned before, the color that I see on my spindles? I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say the "wire wrap". I did remove the safety wire from the spindles when I took them off. I'm guessing this is not what you are talking about?

Also, my strut rods look to be painted black. Is this proper or should they be natural?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 15, 2015, 04:55:16 PM
Per the Hub and Rotor mismatch issue, the BIG suspension spindle should have the 2" Blue stripe. Is this the Teal strip you mentioned before, the color that I see on my spindles? I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say the "wire wrap". I did remove the safety wire from the spindles when I took them off. I'm guessing this is not what you are talking about?

Guess what they were planning or referring to as blue turned out teal by the time the guys making them marked them - ones found marked can sometimes be more blue some more greenish.


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-151115145239-4817442.jpeg)

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-151115145238-48161179.jpeg)


Same type (steel) and size wire as used on the caliper mounts. Wrapped around the spindle twice (normally) and had twisted - typically three turns


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-151115145240-48181909.jpeg)


My Boss - original finishes and marks
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/4/6-151115145236-48141594.jpeg)



Also, my strut rods look to be painted black. Is this proper or should they be natural?

Dark heat treated steel much the same color of the spindles and tire rod main body
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 15, 2015, 11:12:03 PM
One of my strut rods has a red mark on in (the upper one), once I got past the first layer of grime and dirt.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151115_163014.jpg) Click here for full size image (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image760.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 15, 2015, 11:30:51 PM
One of my strut rods has a red mark on in (the upper one), once I got past the first layer of grime and dirt.

More body color or red primer overspray?

Haven't seen any marking of that part like that - very large and only along one edge.  :o
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 15, 2015, 11:35:29 PM
Here is another view. Looks like it might be under the black. If you look it seems to be rectangular in shape. Its very red, not red oxy primer. Possibly over spray, but not from me, I did not paint that far forward with red. The red on the lower one is rust.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20151115_163020.jpg)  click here for full size image (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image761.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 24, 2015, 10:51:43 PM
The below photo shows on the left, the original spring clamps with round holes, 2 on each spring on in front, one behind the axle. On the right is the replacement from NPD with square holes.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 24, 2015, 11:41:25 PM
On the right is the replacement from NPD with square holes.
I'm guessing the set from NPD are going to be totally wrong. Its a set of 6, 2 of each size. The 4 originals are all the same size. Round hole vs Square?

The Shelby has a different lower leaf that did not get a clamp on it, so they only used 2 of the same clamps instead of the 3 (per side) some other Stangs got.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on November 25, 2015, 12:55:33 AM
I'm guessing the set from NPD are going to be totally wrong. Its a set of 6, 2 of each size. The 4 originals are all the same size. Round hole vs Square?

The Shelby has a different lower leaf that did not get a clamp on it, so they only used 2 of the same clamps instead of the 3 (per side) some other Stangs got.
Shelby Parts and Restoration sells the clamp set with the round hole that is specifically for 69/70 Shelby.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 25, 2015, 02:52:21 AM
Shelby Parts and Restoration sells the clamp set with the round hole that is specifically for 69/70 Shelby.

Contact info


http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12451.0 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=12451.0)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: specialed on November 25, 2015, 09:46:23 AM
david the 69 big suspension strut rods are unique & same as 69 b9 & b2 & they had a color code but not red from what I seen  more pea green &  do you remember taking the wire off the unique spindes as I did years ago then when I seen the 2 twist wire AGAIN then I researched it more & found that ford started doing this on early big suspension shelbys by shortening b9 kkx spindles until the doza-b spindles made it into production  are your spindles kkx & what id on rear springs s9ms or c9zx?
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 25, 2015, 08:31:57 PM
david the 69 big suspension strut rods are unique & same as 69 b9 & b2 & they had a color code but not red from what I seen  more pea green &  do you remember taking the wire off the unique spindes as I did years ago then when I seen the 2 twist wire AGAIN then I researched it more & found that ford started doing this on early big suspension shelbys by shortening b9 kkx spindles until the doza-b spindles made it into production  are your spindles kkx & what id on rear springs s9ms or c9zx?
I'm thinking my strut rod must have gotten some paint on it after one of its accidents (prior to my purchase, I was told the car was rear ended twice, evidence showed possibly 3 impacts). The spindles did not have the wire wrapped around the spindle, but as my ball joints had been replaced (again before I purchased) I'm guessing someone must have removed that. My spindles are KKX 2413 SET1 (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image609.html) (the S is backwards). I'll have to get back to you on the id of the rear leaf springs. I do know the lowest spring is thicker and a little wider than the upper springs, looks like it does not belong. Only two straps per spring were present, one in front and one behind the axle. My springs had a pretty nasty coat of rust on them, but I do remember seeing some numbers when cleaning them up.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 13, 2015, 09:43:15 PM
The Autolite shocks that came off my car. One rear shock is very rusty as it went through Hurricane Andrew and its aftermath. The other three were put in storage.

Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 13, 2015, 10:31:01 PM
The Autolite shocks that came off my car. One rear shock is very rusty as it went through Hurricane Andrew and its aftermath. The other three were put in storage.
They can be restored.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 13, 2015, 10:42:34 PM
They can be restored.
Yes they can. My odometer has less then 4k miles on it, so there is not a lot of wear on them. Do you think there is a breakdown of the oil and seals used inside? There is no sign of leakage.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 13, 2015, 11:57:00 PM
Yes they can. My odometer has less then 4k miles on it, so there is not a lot of wear on them. Do you think there is a breakdown of the oil and seals used inside? There is no sign of leakage.
No break down of oil seals typically. You need to have the bushings replaced and hopefully the shafts are not rust pitted. They are very durable . The same goes for the rear , durable and most likely good to go once the outside is restorred.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: specialed on December 14, 2015, 12:13:55 PM
David are your rear shocks a - b  or -c   & you got  4speed or auto
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 14, 2015, 12:28:53 PM
Bob:  Good, so a simple strip and re-paint, apply decal for restoration and they are good to go back on the car.

David are your rear shocks a - b  or -c   & you got  4speed or auto

Not sure where this is at, do not have them in front of me at the moment, but its an auto.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 15, 2015, 12:52:21 AM
Bob:  Good, so a simple strip and re-paint, apply decal for restoration and they are good to go back on the car.

Not sure where this is at, do not have them in front of me at the moment, but its an auto.
Should be good ,especially with that low of mileage .
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 15, 2015, 04:20:21 PM
Should be good ,especially with that low of mileage .
Vinnie (sp?) tells me it has more per the Ford service records. Somewhere closer to 8k per its last service visit. Add a few for the few years it was on the road after that, before it got beat up and retired by the PO.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 16, 2015, 01:22:12 AM
Vinnie (sp?) tells me it has more per the Ford service records. Somewhere closer to 8k per its last service visit. Add a few for the few years it was on the road after that, before it got beat up and retired by the PO.
If they came off of a 80,000.0 mile car I would feel the same way. Not that they couldn't be bad but have seen MANY high mileage and very rusty rear versions that still had good action. If they get a little soft feeling then crank it up a notch  ;) . If the shaft is not pitted . A pitted shaft allows hydraulic fluid past the seals. What do you have to lose anyway.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: specialed on December 16, 2015, 01:51:03 AM
Cant tell by pic of rear shock but c9zx # will end in c or b  depending on which trans  & 4-speed has a color code.  You can send shocks to DSD resto to have restored as looks like fronts need bushings & hope you have the shafts
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 17, 2015, 07:21:44 AM
From my FMX auto trans GT350

    AUTOLITE
MADE IN CANADA
C9ZX 18080 C
      T9BD

Shafts are all clean and yes, I have all the hardware. Makes it easy for me to do the restoration.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on February 13, 2016, 11:43:15 PM
Havent posted here in a while. Back in early December one of my neighbors decides that they do not like me working on my car at my house and calls the county on me. I am informed that I am not allowed to do work on a car that lasts more then 72 hours and also that I am not allowed to keep a non drive-able car on my property, not even inside my garage. I get a proper notification of violation and had 2 weeks to remove the car. So, very quickly I assemble the front and rear suspension so I can load the car on the trailer and take it away. I have it stored at my fathers house very close but in another city. I can not do any major work with it there, so things have slowed down a bit. I am spending this weekend making the rear 1/4 extensions mate up with the rear 1/4's.

Before (http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20160124_180837.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image865.html)
After (http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20160213_162933.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image887.html)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: tobkob on February 14, 2016, 12:15:40 AM
 The inside of my house and garage is MY house and garage. You can bring it to N GA and work on it any time you like. ;D

TOB
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on February 14, 2016, 01:24:58 AM
Havent posted here in a while. Back in early December one of my neighbors decides that they do not like me working on my car at my house and calls the county on me. I am informed that I am not allowed to do work on a car that lasts more then 72 hours and also that I am not allowed to keep a non drive-able car on my property, not even inside my garage. I get a proper notification of violation and had 2 weeks to remove the car. So, very quickly I assemble the front and rear suspension so I can load the car on the trailer and take it away. I have it stored at my fathers house very close but in another city. I can not do any major work with it there, so things have slowed down a bit. I am spending this weekend making the rear 1/4 extensions mate up with the rear 1/4's.

I have heard of certain cities with strict rules like that but not whole counties.Where is that exactly(county and state)? That sucks big time.Keep the faith brother.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on February 14, 2016, 11:07:10 AM
No engine, no transmission, Miami-Dade county considers it a "Junk" car, and junk cars are not allowed in residential neighborhoods. Auto Repairs that take over 72 hours are not allowed at a residence. The problem really comes down to, one of my neighbors was making constant calls to Zoning compliance. So I cant even just put up a fence to hide it from the road, as it is not just the road they are looking from.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on February 14, 2016, 07:03:44 PM
No engine, no transmission, Miami-Dade county considers it a "Junk" car, and junk cars are not allowed in residential neighborhoods. Auto Repairs that take over 72 hours are not allowed at a residence. The problem really comes down to, one of my neighbors was making constant calls to Zoning compliance. ........

Yes unfortunately know some placed locally where I've seen this - and then there are the Home Owners Associations :(   New one guy that ended you cutting some of his cars in half and putting up the little garden shields over each half. To hide them from the neighbors and the aircraft fly byes
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on July 31, 2016, 11:01:27 PM
Can someone post a picture of the gap/seam in the rear 1/4 and the 1/4 extension for the 69 Shelby please? I am working on fitting mine as below but would like to see how the gap/seam is supposed to look. Want to see how rounded or square the part edges are.

Blue tape is between the 1/4 and the extension.
This photo is looking out from the trunk
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20160731_111511.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image1039.html)

This photo is looking at the drivers 1/4, the rear side marker hole is at the bottom left
(http://redshost.com/gt350/thumbs/tn_20160731_111409.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/imgpages/image1038.html)

Thank you.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on August 01, 2016, 05:57:49 PM
Hope these can help

(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-010816165647-6062668.jpeg)


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-010816165646-6061837.jpeg)


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-010816165648-60631745.jpeg)


(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-010816165645-60601104.jpeg)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on August 01, 2016, 09:09:38 PM
Thank you Jeff.

The red car looks like it has some of my problems, the parts do not line up perfectly, or even very well. I have to slowly tighten the 3 nuts as I nudge the extensions into place. I see the 1/4 sheet metal has a thin pencil lead like curve to it in some areas, but looks sharper in others where it meets the extension (where it wraps around to the back of the car). The extension looks to have a sharper edge. In the 2nd photo, I see a reflection of the picture taker is doubled, meaning the parts do not mate to make a straight line, but bow in a little at the seam.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on August 01, 2016, 09:34:55 PM
In the 2nd photo, I see a reflection of the picture taker is doubled, meaning the parts do not mate to make a straight line, but bow in a little at the seam.

Not like the plastic end cap was formed so that the outer surface flat- It seems to me that it has a slightly curve in the area that I believe your referring. Of course body shops "skin" and cut the outer surface of the body during body work and a repaint loose this

Believe if you look at the Mustang end caps you'll find a similar feature. In both cases is minor and slight
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on September 22, 2016, 07:06:31 PM
Still working on getting the Dynacorn rear quarters and the end caps to have the same curve, not trying to get them to match perfectly.

(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20160921_152139.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/index045.html#thumbnail1113)
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20160921_152145.jpg) (http://redshost.com/gt350/index045.html#thumbnail1113)
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 04, 2016, 09:04:41 PM
I've been busy


Primered the glass
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20161024_161550.jpg) (http://"http://redshost.com/gt350/index078.html#td_thumbnail_1190")

New bumper brackets made the bumper fit poorly...
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20161030_143042.jpg) (http://"http://redshost.com/gt350/index078.html#td_thumbnail_1198")

...so I cut a wedge out of each bracket and the bumper fits much better.
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20161030_214047.jpg) (http://"http://redshost.com/gt350/index079.html#td_thumbnail_1212")

Got the car in Red 2k primer.
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20161104_170435.jpg) (http://"http://redshost.com/gt350/index080.html#td_thumbnail_1216")

and a little more.
(http://redshost.com/gt350/images/20161104_170504.jpg) (http://"http://redshost.com/gt350/index080.html#td_thumbnail_1216")

Still a bit more to go.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on November 05, 2016, 04:51:56 PM
Making progress. Please- please put something (like a small sheet of plywood or something slightly larger and flat, below those jack stands.. Seen them sink into the ground way too many times.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 67gtasanjose on November 05, 2016, 05:06:17 PM
Making progress. Please- please put something (like a small sheet of plywood or something slightly larger and flat, below those jack stands.. Seen them sink into the ground way too many times.

+1

I've even seen them press into asphalt on hot days. Jackstands are very unstable if NOT on concrete. The way you have them, you are asking for trouble.  Sad if you hurt the car, yes...but it could be much worse than that.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on November 05, 2016, 06:14:23 PM
Thanks for worrying. There are two jack stands under the body and a 2 ton floor jack under the differential. All this is sitting on a crushed rock bed where a 42 foot motor coach usually parks. The rock bed was put down so its leveling jacks would not sink into the ground after it had parked. Everything and everyone was very safe.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 14, 2016, 10:23:20 PM
I was looking at this 69 GT350H #1894 http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-ford-shelby-gt350/ and noted that it does not have the transverse muffler. Any idea if this is correct as I was going to put the resonators and transverse muffler on mine. When I got mine it had the 2 under floor mufflers and though I do not remember who, was told that was incorrect.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 14, 2016, 10:28:33 PM
I was looking at this 69 GT350H #1894 http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-ford-shelby-gt350/ and noted that it does not have the transverse muffler. Any idea if this is correct as I was going to put the resonators and transverse muffler on mine. When I got mine it had the 2 under floor mufflers and though I do not remember who, was told that was incorrect.
It should have a transverse muffler besides the two intermediate resonators. Check this out. http://www.scottfullerreproductions.com/1969ShelbyGT350.html
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on December 14, 2016, 10:29:00 PM
I was looking at this 69 GT350H #1894 http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-ford-shelby-gt350/ and noted that it does not have the transverse muffler. Any idea if this is correct as I was going to put the resonators and transverse muffler on mine. ...

Not even close to being like original. Don't let claims of "low original mileage" or similar words sway or mislead you
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 14, 2016, 10:50:32 PM
Good to hear. I know my memory is going, but I thought I had checked and the correct system was the Transverse with resonators. And that is what I purchased. It just threw me when I saw those photos. But as I look them over, I see other mistakes as well. One that sticks out to me is that the front lower valance is supposed to have painted (body color) carriage bolts.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 14, 2016, 11:03:10 PM
#1982 was almost ready to go into the paint shop while I was fixing a small rust hole on the drivers door. As I worked on it,  more holes, rust was found on the bottom edge of the door, both inner and outer shells. When the trail finally ran up from the bottom inner shell up the lower door hinge area. The painter and I decided it just was not worth it, it was going to need an entire lower outer skin and lower shell. Time to replace the door. At this time, with the exception of the roof and floor, all the outer sheet metal has been replaced along with the trunk floor/dropoffs and the passenger door. No rust or rot. We were worried that with all the rust on the drivers door, even with the repairs that we could do, all the patching that has been done, that something might pop up at a later date. Luckily NPD has a repro door that is more of a match for the 69 Mustang, in that it does not have the provisions for the 70 Mach panels. This is what is already on the passenger side as it did have a 70 Mach door on it due to a previous accident. The door arrives tomorrow.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 16, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
I almost forgot, I need to make my antenna hole before painting. The 69 Shelby antenna's were shipped to the dealer in the trunk of the car to be installed by the dealer. Was the hole in the rear quarter already there or did the dealer have to make it? Can someone give me the location for this? How far from the back of the quarter (not counting the extension) and how far from the edge of the quarter? And lastly, what size is the hole for the original antenna?

TIA.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 16, 2016, 11:44:21 PM
I almost forgot, I need to make my antenna hole before painting. The 69 Shelby antenna's were shipped to the dealer in the trunk of the car to be installed by the dealer. Was the hole in the rear quarter already there or did the dealer have to make it? Can someone give me the location for this? How far from the back of the quarter (not counting the extension) and how far from the edge of the quarter? And lastly, what size is the hole for the original antenna?

TIA.
They were dealer installed including the hole . The location on the rear quarter varied from car to car. 
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 17, 2016, 11:55:55 AM
They were dealer installed including the hole . The location on the rear quarter varied from car to car.

I was afraid I might be told that. They really let someone at the dealer (all those different dealers) take a drill to the rear fender of a new Shelby!!!
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 17, 2016, 12:53:59 PM
For me one of the more entertaining things to look at when attending a large gathering of Shelby's at a show etc. is to look down the row of lined up parked together 69/70's and see the variety of antenna location variation in the rear.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on December 17, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
Yes, and for Shelby's and the majority of most of the new cars at the time. Shipping with the antenna in place (and other parts) invited damage and extra cost
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: tobkob on December 17, 2016, 11:44:20 PM
When I worked at a Lincoln-Mercury dealer in early 70's we drilled antenna holes in every new car except the ones with power antennas which came installed from the factory.

TOB
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: jwc66k on December 18, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
When I worked at a Lincoln-Mercury dealer in early 70's we drilled antenna holes in every new car except the ones with power antennas which came installed from the factory.
I ordered a 73 Torino without a radio. I asked the dealer to punch a hole in the fender for my aftermarket radio's antenna. He did, no charge.
Jim
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 18, 2016, 04:21:11 PM
Were there any templates or guidelines as to where to put the holes? Or is it like Bob said, you look down the line of cars (the same type) and the antennas don't always line up? I imagine if one person (like TOB) did all of them he might have been good at hitting the same spot every time.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: J_Speegle on December 18, 2016, 05:16:25 PM
Were there any templates or guidelines as to where to put the holes? Or is it like Bob said, you look down the line of cars (the same type) and the antennas don't always line up? I imagine if one person (like TOB) did all of them he might have been good at hitting the same spot every time.

I've never seen nor head of a template like we see for the Mustangs and other Ford models for a 69-70 antenna location
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: tobkob on December 19, 2016, 09:52:49 PM
I don't know about the pm300 antennas but all the Ford antennas that I installed had a paper template inside the paper bag with the antenna. We just used an awl to punch 5 holes and a hole saw to drill the center out. It didn't take many installs until you knew how hard to hit the awl so the mounting screws fit perfectly. It took about 3 minutes to mount and wire an antenna.

TOB
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 19, 2016, 11:16:08 PM
I don't know about the pm300 antennas but all the Ford antennas that I installed had a paper template inside the paper bag with the antenna. We just used an awl to punch 5 holes and a hole saw to drill the center out. It didn't take many installs until you knew how hard to hit the awl so the mounting screws fit perfectly. It took about 3 minutes to mount and wire an antenna.

TOB
I have never seen or heard of a template for the pm300 antenna on a 69/70 Shelby. The variety of different mounting locations supports that observation. 
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: tobkob on December 22, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
I was on ebay a while ago and stumbled across this. I don't know if this is a correct template or not but maybe Mr Perkins can answer this question.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1969-Shelby-Mustang-Antenna-assembly-line-unit-teardrop-mast-very-rare-/252568379901?hash=item3ace3fa1fd:g:gzYAAOSwNRdX8pPI&vxp=mtr

TOB
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: Bob Gaines on December 23, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
I was on ebay a while ago and stumbled across this. I don't know if this is a correct template or not but maybe Mr Perkins can answer this question.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1969-Shelby-Mustang-Antenna-assembly-line-unit-teardrop-mast-very-rare-/252568379901?hash=item3ace3fa1fd:g:gzYAAOSwNRdX8pPI&vxp=mtr

TOB
I have not seen that template before. Unfortunately for me the template is marked for model 63 fastback. I only have convertibles to compare it to.  I blew the picture up to the size of the 1.12 hole and measured approximately 13 inches from the center of the hole and the edge of the rear quarter where it mates to the end cap. I measured from the center of the hole approximately 2 3/4 to the edge or body line crown.  I have 4 convertibles here to compare and the measurements do not match the template IMO by a large margin. . By the same token they do not match each other ether but only by a smaller margin . They are all slightly different side to side and long ways . They are however substantially closer to each other then to the template. Those with original rear quarter GT500/350 fastbacks should be able to measure the mounting on their car and report back on how close or off it is on their car . Regardless of if a different template for convertible vs fastback it doesn't appear that a template was used  from all of the examples I have seen . The front mount antenna was typically very close if not spot on the front fender with the template supplied in the radio and antenna kits. We have heard stories of installers using them.  The circumstantial evidence seems to indicate that the template was ether not included with the Shelby antenna in the trunk when it arrived at the dealership or simply ignored if it was included . This theory is given weight by the many different positions observed. FYI the antenna in the picture is too long by about 1 1/2 inches to fit upright in the trunk. If they are too long then you have to angle them tilting backward .  Tilted may be a personal preference but it is NOT the way they were designed to look . You can make a too long antenna tube stand straight up but then you have to cut a hole in the trunk board for it to hang down . Also if too long of tube the antenna will collapse down farther which I think is a good thing but different then the majority in looks none the less.  It is so much easier to just cut off the extra length of tube and re crimp it if you find one too long. If anyone needs more information on that aspect they can PM me.  FYI there are other Shelby antennas being offered for sale from time to time that are made up of various antenna  parts to look correct by a antenna dealer for typically a lot more money but the kicker is that those "put together " look a like antennas are for looks only and don't have internal connections to make them work as intended for radio reception. I have the highest confidence that the antenna in the posted auction will work as intended reception wise because the seller would not handle a repro.   
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: tobkob on December 24, 2016, 12:12:16 AM
Maybe there was only one template in the multi-pac box?

TOB
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: specialed on December 25, 2016, 09:49:26 AM
I have a 69shelby antenna template for both fastback & convertible  & they are different.
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: tobkob on December 26, 2016, 01:22:34 PM
Quote
I have not seen that template before. Unfortunately for me the template is marked for model 63 fastback. I only have convertibles to compare it to.  I blew the picture up to the size of the 1.12 hole and measured approximately 13 inches from the center of the hole and the edge of the rear quarter where it mates to the end cap. I measured from the center of the hole approximately 2 3/4 to the edge or body line crown.

I just had a chance to measure 2060 ( model 63 fastback) and mine is 12.5 inches from rear and 3 inches from the the body edge crown. I guess not bad if the installer was guessing ;) I'm curious what some of the others measure since like you stated I have observed a lot of different examples covering a pretty broad area.

TOB
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on December 28, 2016, 12:50:50 PM
If anyone would like to post measurements, from the rear of the quarter (not including end cap) and how far in from the edge of the fender (they don't have to be precise) that would be a great help for me to get a better idea for me as to where to put my hole saw down on my new rear fender. The car looks really clean without the antenna at all, but I know it will be more correct with the antenna in place.

TIA
Title: Re: Spring 69 Shelby #1982 - Disassembly and repair thread
Post by: 69GT350H on March 01, 2017, 11:10:50 PM
Got out my quarter window glass last night and while cleaning them up I noticed the passenger side is a non factory replacement . Side by side you can see its not tinted and the clear one does not have the Carlite logo. I'm looking at replacements on ebay and see some do not have the rod in the lower pivot point of the frame. Is this part of the frame or does it come out? I tried a little persuasion on my clear one but did not want to break anything if not.