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65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« on: May 18, 2017, 01:49:56 AM »
So I spoke to a representative from ECS Automotive Concepts and they are going to make a correct orange tag for the -K harness for me in case mine gets destroyed down the line.  I don't know if this is a one off thing or if they are going to offer it on their website but glad someone took the time to make a correct part
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2017, 06:11:00 PM »
Looks like ECS does not want to reproduce the tag right now since mine is the only example and they are basing there product on only one unrestored car. I told them they need have a range as there were three plants and running changes. So I said I would find more and send an example in. So if you have a coupe or fastback with backup lights and an orange tag. Post a picture
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2017, 06:07:46 PM »
These first two posts were split from an earlier post so that we could focus on the subject of label color by doing a survey of all body styles and plants during the first year of Mustangs construction.. If you have an original loom and or car please take the time to look at it to see if the label still remains. Respond with the 

- Projected build date
- Body type
- Plant
- Label color
- With back up lights or without

Pictures always are welcomed :) . We hope that we can provide some help and guidance for some better/ more correct labels if that is the finding

Also remember that there came be two labels at the end (passenger side rear taillight housing) of the loom. One the identification label with the part/engineering number and the second colored label that identified the supplier or assembler. Normally a color and number.

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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2017, 06:44:54 PM »
First submission - 65 San Jose without Shelby


Jul 27, 64 - Coupe - San Jose - White label - Without back up lights  5R07F10268x




Sep 16, 64 - Coupe - San Jose - Appears to be blue label with no visible printing may be supplier/assembler label - With back up lights 5R07T13800x





Sep 24, 64 - Coupe - San Jose - Can't be certain (may be green or blue) but is far enough back from there the end was to be a supplier/assembler label IMHO - With back up lights 5R07T14050x





Oct 24, 64 - Fastback - San Jose - Orange label - With back up lights 5R09C15089x





Nov 6, 64 - Fastback - San Jose - Red label - Without back up lights 5R09T15468x





Jan 29, 65 - Fastback - San Jose - Red label - Without back up lights 5R09C18005x





Feb 4, 65 - Convertible - San Jose - Bright green label - With back up lights 5R08C18178x





Feb 18, 65 - Convertible - San Jose - White label - With back up lights  5R08C18837x





Feb 16, 65 - Coupe - San Jose - White label - Without back up lights 5R07T18740x





May 28, 65 - Convertible - San Jose - White label/Blue assembly label - With back up lights 5R08T2262x



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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2017, 07:39:56 PM »
Here is my info

Oct 29, 64 - Fastback - San Jose - Orange label - With back up lights  5R09A152XXX
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2017, 08:01:30 PM »
Here is a friend's car

Nov 1964 - Coupe - San Jose - Green label - with back up lights - 5R07A161XXX
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2017, 11:59:41 PM »
April 19, 65 - Coupe - Dearborn - Bright green label - With back up lights 5F07A69734x
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 12:52:03 AM »
As I previously entered: 5R09A2198xx, San Jose, Fastback, 11S scheduled date, GT (no backup lights), red label that is falling apart so I stopped.
Other things noted in the pictures:
5R07F10268x - Harness uses bullet connectors to a hardwired socket pigtail. I was under the impression that this type of harness was a later service replacement, and the hardwired socket was an aftermarket reproduction. The weld may indicate body damage.
5R07T14050x - The visible nut that retain the rear extension appears to be not painted, contrary to the "loose" attachment of the extension for painting.
5R09C15089x - The two visible nuts that retain the rear extension are not painted.
5R09C18005x - As above but with one visible nut not painted. Missing wedge spacer on outer stud.
5R08C18178x - Interesting nut in the upper left hand corner.
5R07T18740x - Also an unpainted extension nut.
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 02:01:25 PM »
Here is a picture of the label on my 65 GT 350. Pat White III here in Dallas, TX restored my original harness 25+ years ago
and I don't know if he reused the original label or not. Car is an early May 65 San Jose car being a Shelby has no back up lights, 5R09K217XXX
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2017, 06:12:15 PM »
Other things noted in the pictures:
5R07F10268x - Harness uses bullet connectors to a hardwired socket pigtail. I was under the impression that this type of harness was a later service replacement, and the hardwired socket was an aftermarket reproduction. The weld may indicate body damage.
5R07T14050x - The visible nut that retain the rear extension appears to be not painted, contrary to the "loose" attachment of the extension for painting.
5R09C15089x - The two visible nuts that retain the rear extension are not painted.
5R09C18005x - As above but with one visible nut not painted. Missing wedge spacer on outer stud.
5R08C18178x - Interesting nut in the upper left hand corner.
5R07T18740x - Also an unpainted extension nut.
Jim

Sort of off the subject  but common understanding is that not all of the nuts were installed so not all would have evidence or overspray of trunk color
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2017, 07:32:40 PM »
So was looking at some pictures I had and here is a shot of Mike's unrestored honey gold convertible that has back up lights.  I don't know his scheduled build date and I forget if it is a Dearborn car but I'm sure he can chime in. 
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2017, 07:47:47 PM »
So was looking at some pictures I had and here is a shot of Mike's unrestored honey gold convertible that has back up lights.  I don't know his scheduled build date .......

VIn is 5F08C72755x which would place it 6 months off of your time period. In this example likley May 65
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2017, 08:01:43 PM »
VIn is 5F08C72755x which would place it 6 months off of your time period. In this example likley May 65

According to ECS or NPD it should be blue for convertibles with back up lights. So another example to show they are incorrect to assume they all had blue
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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2017, 08:09:11 PM »
Sorry for the delay - just figured out I had not posted my Dearborn pictures


April 17, 64 - Coupe - Dearborn - Green ID Label/White assembler label - With back up lights  5F07F11761x



Jul 7, 64 - Coupe - Dearborn - Looks like only White assembler label remains - With back up lights 5F07F19094x



Aug 22, 64 - Coupe - Dearborn - Green ID label - With back up lights  5F07A27068x



Aug 27, 64 - Conv - Dearborn - White ? label - Without back up lights  5F08C27266x



Jan 7, 65 - Fastback - Dearborn - Red ID label - Without back up lights  5F09C389xxx



May 14?, 64 - Conv - Dearborn - Green ID Label/Light Blue assembler label- With back up lights  5F08A72755x



Jul 1, 65 - Conv - Dearborn - Green ID Label/White assembler label - With back up lights  5F08A77684x




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Re: 65 Taillight Wire Loom Label - Survey
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2017, 08:10:22 PM »
According to ECS or NPD it should be blue for convertibles with back up lights. So another example to show they are incorrect to assume they all had blue

Pretty sure (typical practice) that NPD is simply parroting what their supplier (ECS) is telling them is the application

And it appears they are right in a way but only for certain assembly periods
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