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Offline priceless

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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 12:34:50 PM »
Compared to my 66 this is a clean one owner. The 66 was my learning car. Learned way more than I really wanted too but I found out I really love welding.
Just like I said, have fun, enjoy the experience. Will be a beautiful Mustang when your done. Hmmm, maybe a white rag top instead of black?? ;)

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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 12:46:13 PM »
You said mostly complete. That includes the born-with complete 390-4V engine, C-6 transmission, rear axle, etc? You scored!
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2017, 09:50:41 PM »
You said mostly complete. That includes the born-with complete 390-4V engine, C-6 transmission, rear axle, etc? You scored!

Thats what he says. The engine, trans, and rear end is at a different location. Haven't verified that part yet.

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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2017, 09:51:33 PM »
LOLOL. I knew you'd come back and say something to my post.....LOL, never fails!!! 
He said in his OP, other than a few patches in floor and needing quarters, just surface rust. I'm sure the man is smart enough to see rot in the main chassis and frame railing and assume he would've mentioned it. Just going by what he said.  Carguytroy seems to have been in this situation before and i'm sure he knows what he's up against. He seems to be a pretty smart guy ;)
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Not sure how smart I am. But the car seems pretty solid really. Any 50+ year old car that has been out in the elements(not garaged and pampered) in this area is going to have a fair amount of rust issues. Even my sons 2003 Escape that I got him a year ago with 93000 miles had rust in the rear over the wheel wells. And newer cars have much more rust protection than these old ones did. I had never done any rust repair till I bought the 66 and found out real quick Iíd better learn or get ready to spend a bunch of money at the Body shop.

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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2017, 10:38:05 PM »
Good luck on getting a clear title and finding the hidden drivetrain, keep us posted.  8)
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2017, 11:27:14 AM »
More pics. Kind of exited. I'm probably weird getting exited about a car that's all torn apart. Looks like the floor has been partially cut out. Would you go full floor, long pans, or short pans? And TIG or MIG weld if you do the partials? I have both.

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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2017, 07:22:25 PM »
Looks like its going to need a cowl also given the lower cowl panel located under the car.  Read allot about replacement panels, methods and such before you start thinking about buying or having someone replace the panels if you don't flip the car before that
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2017, 11:13:29 PM »
Looks like its going to need a cowl also given the lower cowl panel located under the car.  Read allot about replacement panels, methods and such before you start thinking about buying or having someone replace the panels if you don't flip the car before that

Not planning on flipping it. I think this one is a keeper. Thatís why Iím on here. Looking for any and all pointers to put it back the way it was originally. With the help of you folks on here, a bit of luck on parts, and a whole lot of time and effort I should be able to do so. Thanks to all of you in advance for the help. Iím gonna need it

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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2017, 11:16:08 PM »
Not planning on flipping it. I think this one is a keeper. Thatís why Iím on here. Looking for any and all pointers to put it back the way it was originally. With the help of you folks on here, a bit of luck on parts, and a whole lot of time and effort I should be able to do so. Thanks to all of you in advance for the help. Iím gonna need it

Great and good luck.

Remember when asking questions remind us when and where the car was built. Might even consider adding it to your signature in your profile.   Again - welcome
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2017, 11:21:21 AM »
...Going to need to learn or find someone that know how to replace panels so they look like they have never been touched. In ways its unfortunate that the prior owner cut out the old panels - guessing they were not included with the car for at least their dates. Depending on just how much you got with the car (parts) you might consider looking for a late 67 San Jose coupe as a parts car...

I would STRONGLY suggest this approach if you intend to "restore" this example to anything beyond the typical "rust-belt" full-floor, cowl and quarter panel rebuild job. Certainly, a person could section in the whole floor pans with reproduction parts and many people are quite capable of making it look good enough for the local Hamburger/Malt Shop car shows. Perhaps, this is the compromise you are willing to accept on your project and if so, just keep in mind that some (judges) might easily detect this at a more stringent venue.  Getting the unibody "right" isn't very easy for even the most skilled auto body persons because it is nearly impossible to duplicate (or simulate) the factory welds.

There are threads discussing how to section in panels and re-using the original welds (by re-using the larger portions of the original panels where they are still good) but your pictures, showing they have been cut out and presumably already thrown out, limit your options on this detail.

A "Donor" California or Arizona Coupe could supply you with enough "original panels" to save you a whole lot of grief. Most of the "convertible only" panels are likely intact on your car and those parts could be grafted into a better job with that coupe body. Jeff's advise is very good on this detail.
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2017, 01:38:17 PM »
I would STRONGLY suggest this approach if you intend to "restore" this example to anything beyond the typical "rust-belt" full-floor, cowl and quarter panel rebuild job. Certainly, a person could section in the whole floor pans with reproduction parts and many people are quite capable of making it look good enough for the local Hamburger/Malt Shop car shows. Perhaps, this is the compromise you are willing to accept on your project and if so, just keep in mind that some (judges) might easily detect this at a more stringent venue.  Getting the unibody "right" isn't very easy for even the most skilled auto body persons because it is nearly impossible to duplicate (or simulate) the factory welds.

Not only judges and the like but when it comes to resale ...... which always happens at some point.  It can and likely will affect the cars value. Especially the rarer and more expensive the car is
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2017, 08:06:24 PM »
I would like to do this as close to original as possible. Is there any threads you can point me in the direction of? Iíve searched a bit on here and I may be wording things wrong. Not coming up with what I want. Can reproduction panels be used in a concourse type restoration?
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2017, 10:10:35 PM »
..................Not coming up with what I want. Can reproduction panels be used in a concourse type restoration?


Depends

- on the reproduction panels - they are not all created the same or like originals

- and what level of restoration your aiming for. In many cases (especially given your cars situation) they may be the best choice if you can purchase good reproductions though others will choose saving the originals, repairing smaller sections saving the date stamps and other details or purchase panels from a donor car. Not always easy for convertible specific panels though many of the panels are the same no matter what body style.

On many exterior panels you will find people that have gone through the effort of restoring a car, aiming you towards either good used or NOS rather than reproductions that may require many hours of work to get them to fit or look original

Suggest you start a new thread in the Member Restorations/Builds section of the site. Or start a new thread in a more appropriate section.   ;)
« Last Edit: October 28, 2017, 10:16:35 PM by J_Speegle »
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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2017, 03:10:17 PM »
Not coming up with what I want. Can reproduction panels be used in a concourse type restoration?
The answer to your simple question...yes

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Re: Worth the $$$?
« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2017, 10:33:16 PM »
Any tips on how to move the car without screwing it up? With the floors cut up and the quarters gone Iím nervous.  I have bolt in door braces that attach to the pillars and two bars that bolt to the trans tunnel I bought for my 66 when I did the floors. Will those work for the 67? Any help/ideas are greatly appreciated.