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Offline jwc66k

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358352-S - J-Clip -
« on: November 04, 2017, 02:45:14 PM »
Enclosed are pictures and drawings of 358352-S, J-Clip, used on 67-70 Mustangs with air conditioning. The clip is attached to the firewall to retain three vacuum hoses from the valve and vacuum tank. As far as I can determine, there is no Ford drawing available from any current documentation.
I borrowed a Clip and made a sketch, pic 1
- took a picture of my sample, pic 2
- included the installation of the clip, pic 3. from the 67 Mustang Electrical Assembly Manual (E7-8650-2, AM0018 pg 76).
Item 15 is the clip; item 23 is the screw, 42067-S8; item 24 is the washer, 44711-S8; item 29 is the location and hole drilling information as shown on the drawing. The hardware indicated apply to only 67 and 68 Mustangs.
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Offline J_Speegle

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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2017, 10:37:48 PM »
An example from each year










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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 02:06:48 PM »
Enclosed are pictures and drawings of 358352-S, J-Clip, used on 67-70 Mustangs with air conditioning. The clip is attached to the firewall to retain three vacuum hoses from the valve and vacuum tank. As far as I can determine, there is no Ford drawing available from any current documentation.

Jim : I am inclined to agree with you. I have checked my different "Ford Standard and Utility Parts Catalogs from 1954-1983 ; my OSI's from 1965-72, my MPC's, and my December 1966 Parts Price List, and that number does not show up in any of them.
I have seen this occur before on different hardware parts, and there are usually two reasons for it ; either the Part # shown in the Assembly Manual is an Engineering Part #, or, more likely, this was an "Assembly Line Only" part that was not "Serviced".

Interesting "aside" though, is that I found that Part # 358350-S100 appears identical with the exception that the 1/8" inch "step" you show is missing (at least in the generic drawing and description). This part had many applications dating back to at least 1954, so should be fairly easy to come by. Then it would just be a matter of adding the "step". Just a thought.

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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2017, 06:14:59 PM »
Also used for 67 tilt swing away  vacuum lines. Jeff's pics seem to show 3 different fasteners too.
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2017, 07:45:47 PM »
Also used for 67 tilt swing away  vacuum lines.
This is one of those area not well documented, but the 67 and 68 Chassis Assembly manuals (pgs 46, 47 for 67 and 68 for 68) show the hose routed to the right of the installation of 358352-S, thru what appears to be a grommet, 357064-S, in the firewall (description corrected in the spreadsheets, still no documentation) to the steering column area (ref 67 Electrical Assembly manual) where the hose conveniently, does not appear.
Jeff's pics seem to show 3 different fasteners too.
I thought so as well. The clip in the third picture appears to be "thin", like a standard wiring clip. Look closely and just maybe it's - well, it probably worked. The last one is most likely out of focus, or distorted when blown up.
For 69 and 70 only a screw was used, no washer, so those would appear different.
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 08:22:16 PM »

Always hard to see and compare from one angle

For 69 and 70 only a screw was used, no washer, so those would appear different.


Might be better described as one was a hex head screw with intergrated washer and one without the intergrated washer design
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 12:19:37 AM »
Might be better described as one was a hex head screw with intergrated washer and one without the intergrated washer design
The specified screw for 69-70 was 55981-S2, 14-14X1/2HH,REC,FLNG 1/2,3/8HEX,TPG. It had a flange, not a lock or flat washer. For 67 and 68, a separate flat washer was used. That's as specified. As the third picture show a different type of clip, who knows what fell into the outstretched hand of the assembly line worker (before or after lunch) for use.
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 05:08:39 PM »
   Jim, I'v found what I thought was the best explanation in the 67 chassis assembly manual on the max vacuum diagram. I could be wrong but for 67 it seems that hoses except A/C lines were not mounted to the shock tower braces like its more commonly seen on 68 models so routing the tilt vacuum lines to the periphery of the engine bay and on the J clip seemed to work. I tried to leave extra hose for "adjustments".
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2017, 08:50:01 PM »
The specified screw for 69-70 was 55981-S2, 14-14X1/2HH,REC,FLNG 1/2,3/8HEX,TPG. It had a flange, not a lock or flat washer. For 67 and 68, a separate flat washer was used. ..........

Guess that is not what I'm finding on unrestored cars - just reporting. 67 San Jose for example
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2017, 08:54:34 PM »
   Jim, I'v found what I thought was the best explanation in the 67 chassis assembly manual on the max vacuum diagram. I could be wrong but for 67 it seems that hoses except A/C lines were not mounted to the shock tower braces like its more commonly seen on 68 models.............

Think you mean to say 67 AC hard lines were not attached to the shock tower braces since 68  non-AC hard lines weren't run through the firewall clip being discussed either. Or I'm just reading you response incorrectly

Vacuum lines were run across the upper firewall to the clip discussed for thos years
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2017, 10:31:44 PM »
My clip has gone missing during the restoration so wondering if originals are possible to find?
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2017, 10:39:30 PM »
My clip has gone missing during the restoration so wondering if originals are possible to find?

Since they were used on tons of cars yes they should be fairly easy to find if someone thinks enough to save one. Restoration, stripping, recoloring the metal and redipping would follow the same steps as those owners who have restored or even reproduced the AC hard line clamps have successfully done in other threads
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2017, 10:41:49 PM »
Great, thanks Jeff!
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2017, 11:17:04 PM »
Think you mean to say 67 AC hard lines were not attached to the shock tower braces since 68  non-AC hard lines weren't run through the firewall clip being discussed either. Or I'm just reading you response incorrectly

Vacuum lines were run across the upper firewall to the clip discussed for thos years
Thanks Jeff, you got it right.
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Re: 358352-S - J-Clip -
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 01:03:45 AM »
My clip has gone missing during the restoration so wondering if originals are possible to find?
You can easily make one. There is another similar clip (sometimes two) used on 64-68 Mustangs behind the instrument panel to keep the wiring "neat". The part number for this clip is 370805-S100. It is also not documented (I'm working on it).
To make a 358352-S from 370805-S100:
- Strip the rubber off.
- Shorten it from a laid out flat of around 6 inches to about 2 3/8 inches.
- Drill out the hole from 0.225 inch (measured) to 0.343 inch, or a number "S" drill.
- Re-bend to the above drawing.
- Dip in black PlastiCoat, several layers.
Both clips are the same width and thickness.
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