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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #75 on: December 11, 2017, 11:27:37 PM »
Also I think the most reasonable explanation for the wide spread vin separation is that Ford knew which Shelby VIN was going to be assigned to what Ford vin chassis prior to going to Smith and or completed at Ford.

I'm thinking Ford had no idea what the Shelby unit number was going to be as illustrated in my example above.  I don't see why they would need to know or even care?  From a Ford perspective, they just build cars as orders received, what difference would it make that a car was going to be a Shelby?  Other than they were built differently than a regular Mustang.
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2017, 11:32:38 PM »
I'm thinking Ford had no idea what the Shelby unit number was going to be as illustrated in my example above.  I don't see why they would need to know or even care?  From a Ford perspective, they just build cars as orders received, what difference would it make that a car was going to be a Shelby? Other than they were built differently than a regular Mustang.
From my point of view I think that is exactly the reason why they knew and cared.
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #77 on: December 11, 2017, 11:35:03 PM »
I guess for now, im sticking with the Ford records, photographic evidence and Shelby memo.

At least until some evidence to the contrary appears.
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #78 on: December 12, 2017, 12:08:52 AM »
I guess for now, im sticking with the Ford records, photographic evidence and Shelby memo.

At least until some evidence to the contrary appears.
So I take it by not being specific on what Ford records a check of Ford build dates of other 68 Shelby's compared to the five has not been done?
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2017, 12:19:37 AM »
 :o Yes, it has been done!

All Mustangs built by Ford for Shelby were built in November 1967 or later. That is a fact in Marti’s Mustang and Cougar tag book book.

Do you disagree with that information?

The exception is the five cars mentioned.
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2017, 10:16:56 AM »
If this threatens someones ideas then I am sorry about that but I can't think of another way.
That actually is hysterically funny. I’m not gonna speak for everyone but I think some of us are not threatened when someone disagrees with us  or challenges so many are
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2017, 10:17:52 AM »
:o Yes, it has been done!

All Mustangs built by Ford for Shelby were built in November 1967 or later. That is a fact in Marti’s Mustang and Cougar tag book book.

Do you disagree with that information?

The exception is the five cars mentioned.
Hard to argue with that
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #82 on: December 12, 2017, 12:55:39 PM »
For the benefit of those who don't have the "Ford record"



The underline shows the highest serial number series before the strike. In other words the highest possible number Mustang built was 8T0xx113999. If the Ford number is higher, it could not have been present at AOSmith, before the strike.

The circled number shows where post strike production started (November 1967)

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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #83 on: December 12, 2017, 01:14:37 PM »
This chart would be for 'Serialization' dates based on the unit numbers and not necessarily when the cars were scheduled to be or actually built.
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #84 on: December 12, 2017, 07:53:42 PM »
Okay, I will go that. So a car could be built before it was serialized?

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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2017, 08:07:54 PM »
This chart would be for 'Serialization' dates based on the unit numbers and not necessarily when the cars were scheduled to be or actually built.

I read it as a list of VINs (example cars within 100400-125200) that were assembled during November 1967, looking backwards.

Looks like it shows when cars were actually built and not scheduled since that is normally fairly sequential compared to the car's (in this case) Ford VIN.

Don't think it works for projected date since Dearborn and San Jose list cars with VINs under 10  (first ten cars assigned a VIN)  possibly being assembled four months after production started and if it was projected date its hard to believe that they would have skipped over/reserved VINs in the first 10 (for this example) for use four months later.

If it does represent real build dates then it shows the wide range of, at least a limited number of VINs, being not assembled during when Ford projected. Kind of supporting what we've accept for a while.

Just my take on the page & information presented on that page
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #86 on: December 12, 2017, 09:57:08 PM »
Yes, it could be when they were built or scheduled to be built since the numbers overlap month to month.  I didn't catch that the first time around.

My car has a 192448 unit number, serialized on 3/22, scheduled for build 4/3, but not actually built until 4/22

According the the chart, the car would fall into March/April or May.
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #87 on: December 13, 2017, 11:18:00 AM »
So can we now agree that 115xxx series cars were not available to AOSmith in October 1967?


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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #88 on: December 13, 2017, 10:25:51 PM »
According the the chart, the car would fall into March/April or May.

Or at least cars within your cars VIN range were built during those time periods.

So can we now agree that 115xxx series cars were not available to AOSmith in October 1967?

I've got nothing to prove otherwise
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Re: 68 Shelby Vin and Completion Date Discussion
« Reply #89 on: December 13, 2017, 10:44:46 PM »
Or at least cars within your cars VIN range were built during those time periods.

I've got nothing to prove otherwise
I am on board with that
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