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Offline Drakesnake

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Oil filter concours driven class
« on: September 22, 2009, 11:07:36 PM »
I had my 1997 Cobra convertible judged at Van nuys and had 1 point taken off for a non embossed oil filter. My question is does one exist for that car if so I have never seen one. The car had the ford filter from the dealership that is white with red ford lettering and part numbers and is all that I
have seen except for the ford racing filter. Is the deduction correct or not? I am a gold card in 4th
generation cars and thought I knew Cobra's pretty well and I have never had points taken off for that style of filter. Please let me know if the part is out there.
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 11:19:28 PM »
I am not versed on the late models but had a 93 SVT Cobra new and it had the gray painted filter from the factory and a 96 SVT Cobra that also had the gray filter with the embossed Motorcraft bottom. My concours tendencies had me save them . I still had them long after I had sold the cars. In a weak moment I threw them away a year or two ago.Just a few observations that may or may not be pertinent.  Bob
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 04:52:34 PM »
94 to present Fords use the same Motorcraft filters that you can get at most any parts store. They did not have raised Motorcraft letters on the bottom of them after 93.

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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 05:47:07 PM »
Like I said I am not versed in the later model details. I had two of the same kind of assemblyline gray filter's one off the 93 I bought new and just assumed one of them came off of the 96 I had bought new. The one must not have had the embossed lettering on it if you say so and I just didn't pay attention. I know one of them did. They are both gone now . Just trying to help. Bob
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2009, 11:33:51 PM »
I have not seen an embossed filter on any 1996 to 1998 cobra's and I  have not taken points off
any car that I have judged to date in 4th generation cars. I just want to see consistency in the judging so we all get the same style of judging. I am certified in  4th and a gold car in that class
as well.
Thanks for the input guys I will continue to research if a filter is embossed on a 1997 cobra.
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2009, 09:33:58 AM »
Once you find out what is correct, let's get it in the rulebook!
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 01:27:51 AM »
Hi Charles,
I have looked at all the books that I have and checked on the net and I can not find anything that supports the fact that 1994 to 2000 Mustang GT or Cobra's have an embossed oil filter. I would suggest that unless someone can find it that the 1994 to 2000 concours driven and trailered sheets be changed to only ask for motorcraft and not embossed on that sheet. Charles could you bring this up at the judges meeting next week end. Chuck Wiltens judged my car at Van Nuys MCA show. I am on the judge team for Mustangsnorthwest and want to make sure that the Grand National goes smooth up here.
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2009, 06:13:25 PM »
As I have stated in a previous post, 93 was the last Motorcraft filter installed at the factory on a Mustang with Motorcraft embossed on the bottom of the filter. Beginning in 94 the filters were smooth on the bottom with no lettering. It was around that time I noticed the parts store I got my Motorcraft oil filters from was beginning to get filters in that were not embossed on the bottom. Needless to say I went through what they had and bought what I could that were embossed. Having had the opportunity to examine a private collection of unrestored original low mileage 3rd generation cars with a few 4th generation cars thrown in the mix, I can say without a doubt that 1993 was the last Mustang to have an embossed Motorcraft oil filter installed at the factory. And all of the modular engined Mustangs have the FL820S oil filter whereas the 5.0L have the FL1A. The only eception would be 86-93 SSP cars which could have FL820s or FL300 with the oil cooler.

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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2009, 06:58:30 PM »
Any other visual clues that would help identify a break-in or factory oil filter? Crimps, height, .....
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2009, 08:48:25 PM »
Hi all! As a 33+ year Ford dealer tech, I can add that for the last several years (exactly how many I'm not sure) FoMoCo has used a standard FL-1A in assembly with an approximately 1/4" black square stamped near the logo. That way if you've negelected to change the oil for about 20K and things go bad inside, the marked filter will rat you out.   Al
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2009, 09:16:51 PM »
Thanks guys for all the input, I think I will email Joe Odine to see about changing the judge sheets for 1994 to 2000 MCA Concours to remove the embossed listing for the oil filter for 4th generation.
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2009, 01:04:14 AM »
I still have the original oil filter for a '02 GT we once owned and as mentioned it was not embossed.  The top of it has some red numbers on it that appear to be a date code.
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2010, 01:10:56 AM »
Hi all! As a 33+ year Ford dealer tech, I can add that for the last several years (exactly how many I'm not sure) FoMoCo has used a standard FL-1A in assembly with an approximately 1/4" black square stamped near the logo. That way if you've negelected to change the oil for about 20K and things go bad inside, the marked filter will rat you out.   Al

Agreed.  I still have the factory filter to '96 Cobra #3096 and it indeed has a black block on it.  If pictures are needed, I'll gladly take some.
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Re: Oil filter concours driven class
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2010, 03:04:49 PM »
I have a factory filter off of my 2003 Mach 1, it is the grey one like Bob mentions. 
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