Author Topic: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing  (Read 2090 times)

Offline J_Speegle

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Just another suggested running change survey. So show us what you've found and documented. Still starting out with San Jose only examples.

This time its the routing of the brake lines from the distribution block to the center of the firewall. Two routes have been documented.

One with both lines routed above the steering column (at firewall) location as shown below.




The second with both lines routed below the steering column location as shown below. Yes there is a non-factory wire existing the hole for the throttle for some reason  ::)





Have some examples samples but can always use more - your may be in the change over gap that always seems to come up. Real build/finish dates are important and at least a partial (for spread sheet ordering) is important.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++12/26/2019 Update +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Using the information submitted and my data base its pretty clear IMHO. I tracked which examples appeared to have been altered, restored, modified or upgraded (new brake lines) ignored them if they were orphans - single examples months from other similar findings. Have a handful of cars built just before April 28th that were unrestored with the over the steering column routing and about a half a dozen completed on May 1st with the under the steering column routing. Have a couple of under style around the same time period but don't have real dates for those. Have one example with a VIN that might be from between those two dates or no and since I don't have a real date on that example it was not considered but think only a four day window is pretty good given the amount of time that has past.

The routing is not IMHO related to any other feature or change. Findings were consistent with 6 cylinders as they were with all V8's. Solid or "rag joint" column configurations did not change the pattern either. Hope this helps others




« Last Edit: April 21, 2021, 05:12:03 PM by J_Speegle »
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2019, 06:58:42 PM »
I wonder if it is related to the rag joint box vs long shaft box given the examples or maybe just a coincidence. The box type may be relevant in reporting and then again maybe not but I don't think it hurts to include that info also.
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2019, 07:02:52 PM »
I wonder if it is related to the rag joint box vs long shaft box given the examples or maybe just a coincidence. The box type may be relevant in reporting and then again maybe not but I don't think it hurts to include that info also.

No they don't line up that way for small blocks and 6 cylinders.  If so then the big blocks and tilt cars would be found with one routing and others a different routing. Will change the picture so that we have two solid examples since it might be a distraction.

The whole rag joint/solid thing is a different discussion and may not turn out as expected/thought.
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2019, 09:46:50 PM »
My signature car  (power disc) is over.
My parts car -- 7R01C189340 door tag 06C (drum, no power) is over as well.
The MPC usually states February as the brake [sic] point, but that's not right.

Here is a pic of the parts car.

Corrected VIN in blue above.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2019, 01:23:20 AM by Bossbill »
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2019, 09:53:23 PM »
My signature car  (power disc) is over.
My parts car -- 7R01C189310 door tag 06C (drum, no power) is over as well.
The MPC usually states February as the brake [sic] point, but that's not right.

Thanks Bill as always and for your other efforts supporting the site ;)
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2019, 10:51:33 PM »
Trying to pay it back for all the help I get here!

I went through my original pics prior to teardown and found this very detailed pic of the signature car. The shiny item on the firewall is where underdash a/c was added while it resided in Alabama.
This was a previous owner's temporary plug after they removed the a/c.
Any and all holes for the a/c have since been properly metal filled.

Both this car and the parts car are really late for over-steering brake lines and I'll be interested to see any cars later than March 6.

Add a better pic on edit.
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2019, 11:24:31 PM »
Here is our SJ 11-04-66 C code tilt column with over the top brake lines.

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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2019, 07:48:55 AM »
signature car; over the top
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2019, 08:00:05 AM »
7R02A143684 built 12/5/66 is over.
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2019, 02:23:43 AM »
Hello,
My car is also over the top.
Kind regards,
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2019, 10:58:05 PM »
My signature car has the brake lines routed over the steering column...
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2019, 12:17:36 AM »
Late 67, #217438, lines go under. V8, ac, auto.
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2019, 02:26:08 PM »
Does the routing have anything to do with the location of the disc brake proportioning valve at the rear axle for disc brake cars?
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2019, 05:54:53 PM »
Does the routing have anything to do with the location of the disc brake proportioning valve at the rear axle for disc brake cars?
Jim

No = pattern is found on even 6 cylinders
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Re: 67 SJ Running Change Survey - Engine Compartment Brake Line Routing
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2019, 07:37:26 PM »
19 June SJ signature car, PS, Drum Brakes: both lines under
67 Coupe Sports Sprint 289 2V, 3 Speed, 7R01C2234XX
19 June 67 San Jose build, Maroon Met exterior, Red interior
PS, Select-Aire A/C, AM Radio, Full Console, 211K+ miles, still driven occasionally, work in progress!