Author Topic: Unrestored 67 San Jose Convertible C Code Thermactor w/AC-Picture Thread  (Read 5899 times)

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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2014, 02:56:19 PM »
i have been going back over unrestored photos for 67's this morning, paying more attention towards S.J. builds, early and it has been a good refresher course. Something in this series of photos caught mey eye that I missed before. The trunk drop off filler. Mine is screwed down and was wondering if that is another ealy/late thing. If so, any idea when that changeover occured?

Yes the "earlier" version is the masonite board like the 65-66's which was changed over to the treated cardboard material.  First version is retained to the car with two fairly large screws and washers while the later version has two "wings" that are designed/cutout in the material that sort of hold it in place.

Think there is a thread that mentions at least the rough change over point between the two. If not I can look that up again


Just one of the hundreds of running changes in 67 and what maked them so much fun ;)
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2014, 01:23:47 PM »
Jeff, what caused the runs on the driver's side outer wheel well?  Thanks, Mark
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2014, 07:50:13 PM »
Jeff, what caused the runs on the driver's side outer wheel well?  Thanks, Mark

Guess your referring to the one in the trunk on the outer wheel well housings

Likely due to a leading of the unibody after paint or primer application - before it was baked or set.

Can't recall if I've ever cut through those particular runs to see if they are primer or paint
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2015, 08:53:41 AM »
Digging up "bones" out of this old thread...

I see an Aluminum AC compressor on theis unrestored San Jose example.

Would AC compressors on small block 67's for Select-Aire cars be "as pictured" from within this thread? A recent thread on S-codes for 67's got me wondering what cars got the aluminum (York style) compressors and which got the Techumseh (cast iron) compressors. This is one item I wouldn't otherwise be able to identify simply by date code alone for lack of complete car repair history.
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2015, 07:01:53 PM »
Would AC compressors on small block 67's for Select-Aire cars be "as pictured" from within this thread? A recent thread on S-codes for 67's got me wondering what cars got the aluminum (York style) compressors and which got the Techumseh (cast iron) compressors. This is one item I wouldn't otherwise be able to identify simply by date code alone for lack of complete car repair history.

Believe the recent S code question was Dearborn S code related

May be another one of those different supplier for different plant sort of thing. Would need to know allot more than we do though with the examples we currently have - mostly info from the AC pump tag that we don't have pictures from.  Have allot of pictures of small block with aluminum pumps from all three plants but little if any detailed info to go with the pictures that might help determine if they were replacements or originals
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2017, 06:41:31 AM »
Not that you are looking for "more threads to restore images" in Jeff...but I am searching older posts for images of unrestored AC compressors and found your images fell victim to the recent photobucket catastrophe. ::)
 Thank you in advance :/  ;)
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2017, 03:38:10 PM »
Not that you are looking for "more threads to restore images" in Jeff...but I am searching older posts for images of unrestored AC compressors and found your images fell victim to the recent photobucket catastrophe. ::)
 Thank you in advance :/  ;)

Working through the pile as I get to it. May expand some of these unrestored threads with more pictures. Right now Photobucket is making it difficult to even log on so I may have to regenerate all the pictures (crop, resize, label and all those steps) or at least a fair number again  >:(  But realize how much these threads help and are important to many out there for study, comparison and discussion
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2017, 06:26:27 PM »
Believe the recent S code question was Dearborn S code related

May be another one of those different supplier for different plant sort of thing. Would need to know allot more than we do though with the examples we currently have - mostly info from the AC pump tag that we don't have pictures from.  Have allot of pictures of small block with aluminum pumps from all three plants but little if any detailed info to go with the pictures that might help determine if they were replacements or originals
+1. There are many examples of the York pumps being predominate at a certain plant during a certain time period. The same goes for the cast iron Tecumseh. My main study are the cars from the plants that produced the cars converted to Shelby's and in that context I have seen a distinct pattern.  Example, 69 Dearborn cars typically used the iron Tecumseh compressor regardless of engine size. 67 SJ Mustangs typically had the aluminum York regardless of engine size. 68 Metuchen Mustangs typically used the York regardless of engine size. Ether pump will work just one more predominate then the other given a particular plant at a particular time. One was just more typical then the other on  the examples given.  The evidence does not support a difference because of engine size on e the assemblyline IMO. Service replacements and aftermarket use the same compressor regardless of engine size for the years in discussion.   
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2017, 09:05:02 PM »
In this pic:


it shows the top dolly screw down area as natural and quite large.

I dug around the trunk of my March 2 SJ car (still in red oxide and not done) and looked at the witness marks made by the dolly:



It's really evident where the screw down contacts the body. The screw was really cranked down as the area is recessed at least 1/4".

A washer that fits into the witness marks really well is shown here:



and is quite a bit smaller than the referenced picture at 1.18".

Were there more than one style of dolly screw downs used?

[on edit -- (yes, again) I used some really hot reducer to clean up this area. It takes a while to go through the primer. Any concentric rings outside of the clean metal areas are solvent rings.]
« Last Edit: October 20, 2017, 01:03:05 PM by Bossbill »
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2017, 02:53:10 PM »
Were there more than one style of dolly screw downs used?

It appears (from evidence and examples) that there was likely one original standard size but the fixtures broke or were damaged so maintenance workers would repair and replace the washers and hold down at times producing some variations though somewhat rare.  Do have one (other plant and year) example where the washer separated with the hold down and it was left embedded in the trunk floor. We assume that that was repaired with another washer and reused on later cars.

The washers in the hold downs may have cupped through use during a production year and that may also lead to what you found. Diameter still being the original size but cupped after tens of thousands of use.
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2017, 05:26:59 PM »
I was originally thinking a two step might have been used (small washer, larger top) but your idea has merit.

I think I'll create "dolly top" that has the pictured washer contacting the floor and a larger washer (like your original pic) on top of that. That should give me a shadow mist around large washer and a crisper one at the small washer.
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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2017, 01:04:46 PM »
Don't have photo bucket and missing a lot of photos. But still cool stuff from what photos I can see.

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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2017, 05:17:04 PM »
Don't have photo bucket and missing a lot of photos. But still cool stuff from what photos I can see.

Yep - more PhotoBucket boxes of dead link. All better now. Added some some new pictures, clarified some wording and will add some new selections from this nice example. This was from an inspection I did - what I refer to as a "Feel Good" inspection. Owner had a few cars and was going through the process of deciding what cars to keep, restorer or get rid of so he asked for some facts to work help him in his choices.

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Re: Unrestored March 67 San Jose Convertible Pictures
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2017, 05:49:42 PM »
So since I'm here fixing things here are some additional pictures that help illustrate what we have discussed in other threads

Ext 1- Passenger front pinch weld under front fender



Ext 2- Pinch weld black-out on rear quarter on passenger side. At the rear on this one the pinch weld black goes right to the rear valance edge not sure if  any over spray has been removed over the year, it had none, it just stopped there or it went under



Ext 3- Pinch weld black-out on rear quarter. On this side the painter or jet was adjusted higher than usual/typical since some gets on the outwardly facing surface. Got so close that it almost looks brushed on but its not as we've seen this along the rocker before with spraying. On this side you can make out possibly just a little black on the edge of the rear valance
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Ext 4- Appears (possibly since its a later car) that the worker assigned to at least one shift moved the started to move the location of the rear second rotation number to this location rather than placing it where it had been typically, earlier in the year.



Int 1- Just a shot of the inside rear view mirror



Under 1- Shot forward of the front wheel well showing the dirty but original back sides of the front panels, wiring and other details



Under 2- Just one of the dolly locations to show diameter and location



Under 3- Considering this car was just used and driven its always nice to find the bare surfaces (in this case the edge of the pinion retainer) still fairly rust free after all these years. Possibly covered and protected from the elements with grease and grime



Under 4- And lastly (for now) it was interesting to see at least the remains of the rear axle identification label still in place



As always I hope these examples help others and expand our knowledge, promote discussion as well as the understanding of how our cars were originally built
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Re: Unrestored 67 San Jose Convertible C Code Thermactor w/AC-Picture Thread
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2017, 06:31:11 PM »
Thank you Jeff! Happy the pictures are back. This one has great detail of the Thermactor system with AC, most of which is the same for C-code and A-code cars (a few differences, for example an A-code does not have the vent in the PCV hose ;)

It will be very useful as I get along further on those engine bay details...Thanks again :)
« Last Edit: October 21, 2017, 07:29:35 PM by J_Speegle »
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