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Title: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: rodster on January 07, 2017, 01:27:22 AM
In case anyone is going to Scottsdale here is a potential original car to view.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1965-FORD-MUSTANG-CONVERTIBLE-200866
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: ChrisV289 on January 07, 2017, 01:28:59 AM
Going on Thursday and will take a look at it...
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: DKutz on January 07, 2017, 01:31:17 AM
Hard for me believe that is an untouched survivor.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: rrenz on January 07, 2017, 10:04:27 AM
It does look like the engine bay was possibly repainted. Some of the hardware appears to of been painted over. Left fender has what looks to be a little bit of black on the edge.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: mmsnyr8120 on January 07, 2017, 10:46:43 AM
i see quite a few things wrong.  boot, hose and overflow tank, tires?
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: Hipo giddyup on January 07, 2017, 02:09:24 PM
+1 to the engine bay being at least "touched up", looks like tape lines around the shock tower sticker and bolts being painted over, overspray on the horn wiring, etc.. yet it states all original? Seeing is believing in this case, still a nice example. I hear there will be a bunch of VERY low mile fox bodies, some with under 50 miles and no dealer prep... quite impressive though a bit off topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrjkuntmkSc
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: mmsnyr8120 on January 07, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
Been to B-J in Scottsdale and Russo & Steele when Charles was selling his convert.  Also been to Las Vegas B-J twice.  Most of the time the pictures look good but the cars don't.  I am only talking early cars.  Some of the cars get sold and then on to the next auction. 
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: rodster on January 07, 2017, 11:42:43 PM
+1 to the engine bay being at least "touched up", looks like tape lines around the shock tower sticker and bolts being painted over, overspray on the horn wiring, etc.. yet it states all original? Seeing is believing in this case, still a nice example. I hear there will be a bunch of VERY low mile fox bodies, some with under 50 miles and no dealer prep... quite impressive though a bit off topic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrjkuntmkSc

I'll take the SVO.   Pretty sure that's an original car!  ;)   Not so sure about the '65.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 08, 2017, 11:38:57 AM
Hard to say what has been touched up without seeing in person.  I would have removed the aftermarket overflow. 
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: rodster on January 18, 2017, 12:49:54 AM
$82,500  :o
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: ChrisV289 on January 18, 2017, 09:43:08 AM
That's nuts. Will post some pics of the car tomorrow evening.  Any requests on certain areas?
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: 67gtasanjose on January 18, 2017, 10:18:29 AM
That's nuts. Will post some pics of the car tomorrow evening.  Any requests on certain areas?

Start with list:

1.) everything you can see
2.) everything you cannot see ;)
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: Building 3 on January 18, 2017, 01:22:56 PM
It looks to me like the "Battery OK" sticker has black spray paint on it. Also where are the unique convertible braces in the engine compartment? This is a 65 not a 64.5 car.  Weren't the braces factory installed by then?  The VIN starts with 330xxx. 
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 18, 2017, 03:38:05 PM
Also where are the unique convertible braces in the engine compartment? This is a 65 not a 64.5 car.  Weren't the braces factory installed by then?  The VIN starts with 330xxx.

The braces were added around November '64.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: J_Speegle on January 18, 2017, 11:06:48 PM
The braces were added around November '64.

+1

http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=2250.msg11509#msg11509 (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=2250.msg11509#msg11509)

Just one of a handful of threads
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 19, 2017, 12:07:51 AM
Definitely some touch-up in that engine bay.  See lots of bolts painted black that should be phosphate.

Body lines are really nice, hood/headlight area has great fit. 

Mike M. might have to consider selling his cars now!
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: rodster on January 19, 2017, 12:34:27 AM
I'll take the SVO.   Pretty sure that's an original car!  ;)   Not so sure about the '65.

$63,800 for an SVO?  :o :o   Barrett Jackson VooDoo
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: ChrisV289 on January 20, 2017, 01:20:09 AM
As promised here are some pics of the car.  The car was locked so I was unable to get any dataplate information on it.  Also the trunk was closed...There was a lot of undercoating on the car...
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 20, 2017, 01:32:16 AM
Thanks for sharing.  Undercarriage is a bit shocking, even leaf springs replaced. 
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2017, 01:49:06 AM
Thanks for sharing.  Undercarriage is a bit shocking, even leaf springs replaced.
I was expecting this but not quite to the extent it turned out to be.  Just another example of the originality being over hyped on a auction car.  I wonder if the buyer who paid the 82K did so thinking it was untouched underneath and under the hood? 
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: markb0729 on January 20, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
The seller must be on cloud nine!  You would think they would have cleaned it up a little better.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 20, 2017, 10:41:23 AM
The seller must be on cloud nine!  You would think they would have cleaned it up a little better.

No doubt

As far as cleaning, it's hard to tell where the black spray bomb paint starts and the dealer undercoating starts.  Doing any cleaning would most likely open a can of worms.  I would have at least expected factory leaf springs, doesn't make any sense why they would be replaced on a 14k mile car.  I bet the originals were fine, probably just rusty. 
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: rodster on January 20, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
Thanks for sharing.  Undercarriage is a bit shocking, even leaf springs replaced.

Yea.......  whaaaat ?   :o
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: midlife on January 20, 2017, 07:09:01 PM
What in the world is that galvanized piece between the gas tank and the rear axle?  It looks so out of place to me...
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: drummingrocks on January 20, 2017, 07:19:18 PM
What in the world is that galvanized piece between the gas tank and the rear axle?  It looks so out of place to me...

The muffler?
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: DKutz on January 20, 2017, 08:23:24 PM
Wow, there is a lot of black spray paint on that thing!
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: midlife on January 20, 2017, 08:57:57 PM
I guess it is the muffler.  In one shot, it extends all the way to the driver's side leaf spring. (maybe it is the angle of the photo)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15104.0;attach=35197;image)

I'm not that familiar with a single pipe system; I always had an A-code with dual exhausts.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: markb0729 on January 20, 2017, 11:18:12 PM
Yup, muffler.  I believe it should be at about an 11 degree angle like this one.

Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: Bob Gaines on January 20, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
I guess it is the muffler.  In one shot, it extends all the way to the driver's side leaf spring. (maybe it is the angle of the photo)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=15104.0;attach=35197;image)

I'm not that familiar with a single pipe system; I always had an A-code with dual exhausts.
What do you want to bet the muffler has been replaced too.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: markb0729 on January 20, 2017, 11:39:35 PM
+1
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 20, 2017, 11:57:07 PM
What do you want to bet the muffler has been replaced too.

No betting required, lol

Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: rrenz on January 21, 2017, 09:28:52 PM
Thats some good marketing. These pictures compared to the Auction pictures makes it look like another car found on eBay. That muffler looks like something that should be attached to my furnace. It has that perfect Uhaul Galvanized look. My new muffler leans like that. I always thought there was something wrong with it. Was that to allow for drainage? I don't recall seeing any drain holes.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: CharlesTurner on January 22, 2017, 01:02:11 PM
That looks like the replacement Ford muffler, which was shorter than OEM and included 2 short pipe extensions.

There is no drain in the muffler.  I don't think they were cocked over at an angle much when original.  There are very few 65-66 cars that have original rear mufflers on them these days, they are extremely rare to find NOS.
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: Building 3 on January 22, 2017, 02:02:58 PM
To: ChrisV289, What was your opinion of the paint, glass, sheet metal and top?  Did those seem like original and appropriate to a 14,000 mile, 50+ year old car or was the description exaggerated on those areas too?
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: ChrisV289 on January 22, 2017, 05:56:33 PM
The paint seemed ok.  I really did not see any flaws that stood out.  I did not check out the date codes on the glass and I didn't look at the top all that much to give an opinion. 
Title: Re: 65 Mustang 14,633 original miles - Barrett Jackson Scottsdale
Post by: workhorse on February 02, 2017, 12:38:23 PM
Having seen this BJ car in person I can advise that  the "originality" claim was liberal. 50 year old original cars when compared to a restored version, even to the untrained eye appear dull and worn. This is no secret. If you could have the Perkins car and the Florida Hipo seen here with similar mileage alongside the BJ car the differences would jump out.

(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee444/henford64/2016sDSC01855_zpsb9v9dtcr.jpg)

Having seen all three the BJ car looked to be an older, maybe mid eighties partial restoration the utilized new and old materials which would have been more plentiful during that time period to bring this car back to it's current condition.

Just my .02

Workhorse