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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1968 Mustang => Topic started by: bullitt68 on March 01, 2024, 02:25:17 AM

Title: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 01, 2024, 02:25:17 AM
I have couple of questions regarding the correct process for installing Inner Fender Splash Shields. If there are any special notes please let me know

Should there be any seam sealer or dum dum used between the splash shield and the cowl panel or just coverage from the sound deadener

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Are these lower fender brackets mounted correctly?

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Just confirming that the rubber seal follows the contours of the splash shield or do they overlap the ridge

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How far over does the top seal overlap the at the top of the cowl?

Once the fenders are installed I will apply the sound deadener/sealer, based on the photos I have seen on survivor cars
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: ruppstang on March 01, 2024, 02:37:26 PM
Yes, I use 3M strip calk between the Cowel and splash shield.  I use an original shield to locate the new seals. 
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 01, 2024, 03:49:17 PM
Yes, I use 3M strip calk between the Cowel and splash shield.  I use an original shield to locate the new seals. 

Great thanks. My shields are original so I will use the same holes and drill through the new rubbers to install the staples. After that from what I have observed the sound deadener is sprayed in that area
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 01, 2024, 05:44:39 PM
I came across this material that looks identical to the original fender shields. I compared it to some remnants that I had, so I am planning to use the after market pieces I have as a template to cut new shields. Has anyone gone this route before? These have a high thread count compare to the after market that has none, hopefully I have enough material to make all of the shields. Any tips or advice is appreciated. Thanks

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Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 01, 2024, 05:49:04 PM
Yes, I use 3M strip calk between the Cowel and splash shield.  I use an original shield to locate the new seals. 

Thanks, thats what I thought, but did not see any remaining sealer on mine when I removed them. It does look like the rubber is intended to follow the line of the shield. I will try to find some photos
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: jwc66k on March 01, 2024, 06:44:52 PM
Great thanks. My shields are original so I will use the same holes and drill through the new rubbers to install the staples. After that from what I have observed the sound deadener is sprayed in that area
Be advised that the staples supplied in the replacement kit for my 65-66 Mustangs were a larger diameter than the originals and would not fit the holes in the metal. I made my own from safety wire.
Jim
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 01, 2024, 09:02:59 PM
Be advised that the staples supplied in the replacement kit for my 65-66 Mustangs were a larger diameter than the originals and would not fit the holes in the metal. I made my own from safety wire.
Jim

Thanks Jim that is what I always use as well. Works much better imo
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: lightwtjet on March 01, 2024, 10:14:23 PM
Pictures of mine. To my surprise - I was able to reuse the rubber pieces. I found 409 liquid cleaner worked well on the rubber. Restoring these is quite time consuming. I encourage people to view them.
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: J_Speegle on March 01, 2024, 11:01:26 PM
Just a small handful of 68 San Jose examples that were handy

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Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 02, 2024, 12:46:56 AM
Pictures of mine. To my surprise - I was able to reuse the rubber pieces. I found 409 liquid cleaner worked well on the rubber. Restoring these is quite time consuming. I encourage people to view them.

Thanks for the reference photo. Was great to see you at MCACN this year. Your car was my favourite.
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 02, 2024, 12:49:20 AM
Just a small handful of 68 San Jose examples that were handy


Thanks Jeff those are great reference photos
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: warwick on March 02, 2024, 05:52:07 PM
I think the fender bracket at the bottom of the splash shield is located on the other side of the splash shield-between the flexible piece and the metal.

Assy Manual for Cougar has caulk on top of splash shield (under apron) as well as on side.
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 03, 2024, 04:52:44 AM
Well hopefully I've got this right. Next the front headlight bucket splash shields. I used the original holes and just drilled the rubber. The staples I made from wire as the ones in the kit are much thicker than originals

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Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: J_Speegle on March 03, 2024, 03:22:42 PM
Looks like you attached them to the front surface not the back side as shown in the pictures I posted above
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 03, 2024, 03:31:04 PM
Looks like you attached them to the front surface not the back side as shown in the pictures I posted above

Thanks Jeff, glad I asked. Fortunately it is easy to correct as the holes will line up in the same position. How about the fender brackets on the bottom, in a previous post it was suggested that they were in the wrong position. Also should the rubber overlap at the top or should it get trimmed to fit.


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Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: J_Speegle on March 03, 2024, 04:06:56 PM
How about the fender brackets on the bottom, in a previous post it was suggested that they were in the wrong position.

L shaped bracket was sandwiched between the unibody and the splash shield so that it is not visible (except for the bend below the splash shield) under the splash shield or retaining screw

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Also should the rubber overlap at the top or should it get trimmed to fit.

Over lapped

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Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 03, 2024, 06:58:18 PM
L shaped bracket was sandwiched between the unibody and the splash shield so that it is not visible (except for the bend below the splash shield) under the splash shield or retaining screw

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Over lapped

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Great thank Jeff. Looks like my fender bracket is installed correctly.

FYI Roger also just posted a couple of great reference photos of his original paint survivor car. Observed on his car the top shield/flap is on the front side of the metal shield and the long vertical rubber shield is on the back side .
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: J_Speegle on March 03, 2024, 07:27:53 PM
FYI Roger also just posted a couple of great reference photos of his original paint survivor car. Observed on his car the top shield/flap is on the front side of the metal shield and the long vertical rubber shield is on the back side .

Yes saw that and they are different from San Jose installed one for 68 that is why I separated that post to a new Dearborn focused thread so not to cause confusion in this San Jose thread
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 03, 2024, 09:32:04 PM
Yes saw that and they are different from San Jose installed one for 68 that is why I separated that post to a new Dearborn focused thread so not to cause confusion in this San Jose thread

OK great thanks. I will just install all the rubber on the same side. Roger's car is a nice example indeed
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: J_Speegle on March 03, 2024, 09:35:03 PM
OK great thanks. I will just install all the rubber on the same side. Roger's car is a nice example indeed

"Same Side"   As in reply #8 I hope  :)
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 03, 2024, 10:16:21 PM
"Same Side"   As in reply #8 I hope  :)

Great thanks Jeff
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 04, 2024, 02:10:03 AM
Hopefully 3rd time is the charm.

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Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 04, 2024, 02:12:53 AM
"Same Side"   As in reply #8 I hope  :)

While we are on the subject did you notice that Rogers car has no primer showing on the inner fenders or undercoating. Was the a plant thing? As far as I know my inner should be red oxide and there show be undercoating/sound deadener applied on top off that. Hopefully this is not too off topic
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: J_Speegle on March 04, 2024, 01:48:14 PM
While we are on the subject did you notice that Rogers car has no primer showing on the inner fenders or undercoating. Was the a plant thing? As far as I know my inner should be red oxide and there show be undercoating/sound deadener applied on top off that. Hopefully this is not too off topic

How the front wheel wells were finished was a "plant thing" but also remember his was not a regular production vehicle but one of the 135 cars. If we want to discuss those you can either allot of threads on the 428CJ forum and site or we can start a different thread since its different plant and as mentioned very different cars in some areas of the build
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 04, 2024, 08:00:29 PM
How the front wheel wells were finished was a "plant thing" but also remember his was not a regular production vehicle but one of the 135 cars. If we want to discuss those you can either allot of threads on the 428CJ forum and site or we can start a different thread since its different plant and as mentioned very different cars in some areas of the build

Thanks Jeff that makes sense. More than likely special cars like that were exceptions to some of the regular procedures for various reasons.
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: J_Speegle on March 04, 2024, 08:05:28 PM
Thanks Jeff that makes sense. More than likely special cars like that were exceptions to some of the regular procedures for various reasons.

Yes the 135 cars were identified as race cars prior to when they were build so things like any extra weight  would have been a consideration
Title: Re: 68 San Jose Inner Fender Splash Shields
Post by: bullitt68 on March 04, 2024, 08:11:08 PM
Yes the 135 cars were identified as race cars prior to when they were build so things like any extra weight  would have been a consideration

Good point Jeff. Roger asked a question on the Dearborn thread regarding when the dust shields were installed, before or after the fenders are installed.