ConcoursMustang Forums
Restoring - General discussions that span across many different groups of years and models => Interior & Trunk => Topic started by: 68 S Code on October 04, 2011, 11:50:28 PM
-
As I was putting in the trunk mat into the car i double checked a pic I had of an unrestored 68 Dearborn late May built car i had pics of. I noticed the trunk mat was cut along the gas tank drop below whee the spare tire sits. Is this the way the mats were cut at the factory or was this a past owner modification. it was a fleece backed specled mat which looked original. Also is the jack supposed to go through the J hook? The trunk decal does not show that. The way i read the decal the jack is loose under the tire and in some respects supporting the LH side of the tire. Thanks
-
Yes the jack it open slightly (think total hieght is about 6" at that point) and it sits between the mat (with trunk board below) and the spare tire. The pressure (not the J hook going through it since that's not correct) pf the spare holds it in place
Will have to look at mats - got 5 hours in tonight looking at pictures and my eyes are worn out ;)
-
Trunk mats are cut as the one in your pic and do not go up and over the drop on the passenger side
-
Thanks guys. Does anyone make a nice re-pop speckled trunk mat like the one in the pic with the fleece back. This car in the pics was built a few weeks before mine at Dearborn so I gotta believe the plaid rubber backed one is wrong which I installed temporarily. My J hook seems to short to mount the jack handle/lug wrench on top like the trunk decal shows. I did mount the jack loose with the base against the trunk drop. Thee was mention of a board. What board? I thought there was only a quarter panel drop board on the drivers side. Don't know of any other boards except the trunk divider board on the convert for the top well.
-
The board Jeff mentioned is a small piece of masonite type material, about 6"x12". Sits directly on top of the tank below the sound deadener, I believe. It would be located directly below where the floor jack would lay. Found one from a 67 in a junkyard last week and have it in my possession. Will post pics and dimensions in a day or two. Also refer to previous post where Jeff provided detailed instructions on how to make a great recreation of the original sound deadener. I looked quickly in the processes/techniques and did some word searches but could not come up with it. John
-
I didn't think there was sound deadener pad below trunk mat in a 68? I believe my old 70 Boss 302 had one? Maybe i have the two cars mixed up. Pic of the one you found would be great. Thanks
-
I didn't think there was sound deadener pad below trunk mat in a 68? I believe my old 70 Boss 302 had one? Maybe i have the two cars mixed up. Pic of the one you found would be great. Thanks
It appears that it was there on all later cars (65-66 are still under discussion I believe) though most of the time it fell apart and was tossed at some point. For 67-68 it was only over the tank its self. 69-70 depended on model and body style
-
Just when I thought the trunk was done. Now a sound deadener mat and a Masonite board. WILL IT EVER END? Thanks
-
For the record I have never seen the masonite board in a 68. Bear in mind most of my samplings are NJ cars
-
WILL IT EVER END?
No ;D
-
Here is a picture of the masonite board from a 67 Dearborn built car. One side is smooth, and one was rough. I assume that the rough side was on the tank, based on rust stains. The thickness measures 3/16" but was probably 1/8" originally and is separating due to age and/or water exposure. I have no knowledge or reference data for MY 68. This is simply a single reference point. And we know how dangerous that can be. But for those that need it, the dimensions are 6"x12". I put a square against one of the short sides that looked off, and confirmed it was not square. I could not make out any saw cuts.
-
Tim thanks for the words of encouragement. I plan on driving the car home on sunday from the shop to show the wife that it's done. I now know better the truth of that statement. ;)
-
What about trunk mat stitching? I got to see an original 67 that was built early 67 at Metuchen and i saw that the trunk mat was stitched in the corners. Was this a common practice on all cars or something that was date or plant specific. I dont see to many restored cars with this detail. I do know that the mat I have isn't stitched but I dont know if it is original.
(http://"https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-BP-sZgCF988/TpTV-u6MGfI/AAAAAAAAC8U/NtcbnqyRD64/s800/DSC01699.JPG)
-
What about trunk mat stitching? I got to see an original 67 that was built early 67 at Metuchen and i saw that the trunk mat was stitched in the corners. Was this a common practice on all cars or something that was date or plant specific.
Common only to original mats plaid installed at the plants that year
I dont see to many restored cars with this detail. .............
You will find some out there if your lucky. The reason you don't see more is that no one reproduces one with the stitching (workers complain that the mat off gases too bad for them to do it) so owners and shops have to do it themselves.
Was thinking (need to make one for a 67 Shelby I'm helping with) making a template of the stitching. Hold to tape it to the mat, place the stitching through the pattern then remove the paper.
Worth a try ;)
-
Does the trunk sound deadener mat have square corners or radiuses corners in a 68 application. The unusual thing I found with the car I attached a pic of is a shot showing the gas tank sprayed with a yellow adhesive as well as the same glue on the fleece side of the mat. I wouldn't have thought that the sound deadener if installed would have been glued down.
-
Does the trunk sound deadener mat have square corners or radiuses corners in a 68 application.
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/67-8%20Mustang%20Pics/68trunkunderlayyment.jpg)
The unusual thing I found with the car I attached a pic of is a shot showing the gas tank sprayed with a yellow adhesive as well as the same glue on the fleece side of the mat. I wouldn't have thought that the sound deadener if installed would have been glued down.
If your seeing "fleece" then that might be a clue that things have been played with since only the reproduction mats have a felt or fleece backing (they do not stay in place well so they are often glued in place - if not they ball up in the corner)
That being said we have seen some evidence of some being glued in spots and IMHO can't be certain that all the standard non deluxe cars got the underlayment since evidence is very spotty after all these years. But would not deduct for one if there. Believe its the safe bet at this point
-
My 68 coupe did not have a masonite board under the spare tire area.
-
Jeff are you saying that fleece is repop and rubber is original equipment? This 68 coupe I have pics of definitely didn't look restored. Repainted the original gold in spots but no resto.
-
Jeff are you saying that fleece is repop and rubber is original equipment? This 68 coupe I have pics of definitely didn't look restored. Repainted the original gold in spots but no resto.
Nope not what I'm suggesting
Let me try this way
Originally (not sure about Dearborn specifically 68 looks to have used a bunch (4-5) of different trunk mats during the year.
Most were rubber coating over jute but there were an all felt type and a felt with reinforcement style also that has turned up in a couple of cars. The reproductions (read cheap ones that have been around since at least the early 80's) had a fleece backing and none of the originals used with on the back side of the mat. Fleece (until it gets dirty) is pretty much white - jute is a brown with single threads that are multi-colored thrown in.
The trunk can be unrestored but a past own can with ease add a repro mat if the original is missing or has disintegrated over the years. Better than nothing for some owners - but not really
-
So the pics of the mat I've attached look to be of a reproduction? Would have never guessed it. This car had not been restored from what i could tell. Odd that someone would have cut it below the spare tire like factory install. So the glue on the gas tank was done to keep the cheap repop in place most likely? The filler board looked definately original. Thanks as I almost traded the guy for this mat.
-
So the pics of the mat I've attached look to be of a reproduction?
First thanks for posting pictures since words do not always get all the info across. First the mat in you pictures appears to have a rubber top - not a vinyl one. If so then its not the cheap repo that has been around for a long time (looks that ways considering how it doesn't bunch and wrinkle in your pictures)
No the backing you have referred to as "felt" could it be jute. I notice the intermixing of a number of red and maybe green fibers on the back side in your last picture with the jack. If so this suggest to me that its an original though the cheap felt ones (which it does not look like) can pick up and hold all kinds of stuff picked up from the trunk floor
Here are a few examples of jute backings. a couple of them are from newer good reproductions while a couple are originals
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/Indiviual%20Parts/JuteTrunkmattexture3b.jpg)
.......... So the glue on the gas tank was done to keep the cheap repop in place most likely? The filler board looked definately original. Thanks as I almost traded the guy for this mat.
We've seen stuff done to keep the repo mats in place and stuff that appears to have been done at the plant on some cars. Guess determining which is which would come down to looking at the pattern and product used. But this is not something we see on all 68's so far.
For example - this one looks like it had some originally and an owner added to it at some point. I see a courser product and a lighter one that might be from a rattle can of spray adhesive
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/67%20Mustang/7T01C145182trnk.jpg)
To contrast look at the heavier application here - IMHO likely an original application. Now could this be two different workers or two different tools for application? Maybe but we may never know - just trying to help make the best choice based on what we have to work with. Plenty more pictures (as usual) of adhesive patterns but they tend to fall into these two camps
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/67-8%20Mustang%20Pics/8R01C126732trnkboard.jpg)
Hope this better explains this time
-
68 S Code,
Everything I see in your photos is 100% consistent with original/unrestored 1968 Mustangs.
The mat is original. The jack is original. The J-bolt is original. And the glue is typical of what I see on untouched cars.
Scott
-
Everything I see in your photos is 100% consistent with original/unrestored 1968 Mustangs.
Guess that is the short way to put it ;) Thanks Scott for cutting though all the other stuff
-
I'm a man of few (typed) words.
Scott
-
I believe I have a good pic of the glue application on gas tank but 400 miles away from it because fishing this weekend w son. Cold in northern WI and not one bite today.
The glue on the tank would probably mean no sound deadener mat. This is just a plain coupe. Did have black underlayment mat forward of tank towards rear seat bulkhead. I'll post pics Monday after I thaw out.
-
Here is a close up of the glue application at the trunk mat. Heavier than some of the pics jeff posted. This application was on a June built Dearborn car. Since it was a base model 6 cyl coupe it had no evidence of a sound deadener mat over the gas tank. Notice the sound deadener forward of the tank to the rear seat bulkhead. Vin num 2039xx, sched build date 07F off the door tag.
-
As I read this post I don't know if you are referring to the repro trunkmat when you use the term "fleece' or the original which is typically referred to in some other way. By now you know the difference between white fleece materials on the repros and the thick pad like material on the 68/69 originals that appears to be made out of a multitude of different color fibers. Jeff showed some good examples. They almost like like the remnants of some kind of fabric making process pressed together to form this mat . It is similar looking to a old style carpet padding or for lack of a better example dryer lint :o . Shortly after Katrina the red cross was handing out "Hurricane blankets" to victims that looked like the exact same material. Bob
-
Bob, I refered to the one which turned out to be jute backed as fleece originally because I didn't know better. Still not sure if I could tell the difference since I havent really seen a repop fleece backed mat in person. The one I have is rubber from what I can tell. Anyways both scott and jeff seem to think concure that the speckled mat i posted pics of is an original with jute back. At this point I am sharing some pics of the adhesive application to the top of the gas tank to keep the mat secured. It appears that near the end of production or at least on this example there was no sound deadener mat. It was as stated earlier a base 6 cyl coupe. I am torn whether to provide the sound mat or whether to spray the gas tank with adhesive. It was mentioned that there are high quality mats out on the market with the jute backing similar to originals. Where do I find this product and what do i ask for? There seems to have been up to 6 different mats used throughout 68 so i wonder what i should be looking for. Plaid, speckled, jute back, rubber backed???? Currently i have a plaid rubber but this car I photographed was built 5 weeks prior to mine at Dearborn. Should I use it as a guide? Speckled with jute.
-
Bob, I refered to the one which turned out to be jute backed as fleece originally because I didn't know better. Still not sure if I could tell the difference since I havent really seen a repop fleece backed mat in person. The one I have is rubber from what I can tell. Anyways both scott and jeff seem to think concure that the speckled mat i posted pics of is an original with jute back. At this point I am sharing some pics of the adhesive application to the top of the gas tank to keep the mat secured. It appears that near the end of production or at least on this example there was no sound deadener mat. It was as stated earlier a base 6 cyl coupe. I am torn whether to provide the sound mat or whether to spray the gas tank with adhesive. It was mentioned that there are high quality mats out on the market with the jute backing similar to originals. Where do I find this product and what do i ask for? There seems to have been up to 6 different mats used throughout 68 so i wonder what i should be looking for. Plaid, speckled, jute back, rubber backed???? Currently i have a plaid rubber but this car I photographed was built 5 weeks prior to mine at Dearborn. Should I use it as a guide? Speckled with jute.
I think maybe Virginia Mustang or NPD has one they refer to as a concours mat it is 60-100.00 compared to the 19-29.00 thin white fleece backed cheesy repros . It has a thicker jute type pad backing. I have seen very early 68's use a plaid jute backed mat with corners sewed like used in 67 but most typically see the specked mat. There was also a solid gray that was sometimes seen. The speckled pattern (68/69 recommendation) is not perfectly the same shade but much better then the alternative. I hope this helps. Bob
-
Bob currently I have a plaid rubber mat from I believe Harris mustang. It lays nice and flat and doesn't bunch up. It has no jute backing. I presume this would be incorrect since speckled with jute seems to be the way to go?
-
Bob currently I have a plaid rubber mat from I believe Harris mustang. It lays nice and flat and doesn't bunch up. It has no jute backing. I presume this would be incorrect since speckled with jute seems to be the way to go?
You presume correctly ;) . Bob
-
You presume correctly ;) . Bob
+1 Best choice since they don't make any of the odd ball ones and the speckled is the one we see the most of from that plant and year I believe
-
I'm going to try to trade the guy with the gold coupe for his original one first