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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: 66RavenGTCoupe on April 05, 2013, 01:59:32 AM
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I have these PAINT OK stamps on my early December 1965 Metuchen build, 1966 GT.
I'd love to know what the two names on the fenders are as the fender seems to read KBROWN and the inner fender clearly reads REECE. The cowl is VENTRIGLIA. Any other info here would be great.
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I have these PAINT OK stamps on my early December 1965 Metuchen build, 1966 GT.
I'd love to know what the two names on the fenders are as the fender seems to read KBROWN and the inner fender clearly readds REECE....
Thanks for sharing the pictures - tried but they wouldn't open for me. Do you have your album locked ?
Unfortunately the poster was looking fro 68 versions ;)
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Hi Jeff,
I'm so glad to be able to discuss this with you as you are obviously the No.1 man on this subject and I am but a humble apprentice that is keen and eager to learn. ;D I have a fairly original and untouched car and am very interested in all of the date stampings and castings and Paint ok stamps etc. I actually have a document that I am constantly adding to with photos and code breakdowns and I'd love to know all about the paint ok stamps and radiator support markings. I've actually sent you a PM on the VMF site but no pics so I'll attach them now. No rad support pics yet but I'll get them to you soon if you'd like.
(http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u677/66RavenGTCoupe/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20Michael%20Prendergasts%20iMac/Our%20GT/Photos/Tags/PaintOKCowlVENTRIGLIA3_zps0e67416c.jpg)
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...................... I'd love to know all about the paint ok stamps and radiator support markings. I've actually sent you a PM on the VMF site but no pics so I'll attach them now. No rad support pics yet but I'll get them to you soon if you'd like.
OF course many of us would want to know everything - but we'll have to work on it a little at a time :) Might be no more exciting than understanding how a person signs their name ;) Remember this was a hum drum thing that took place hundred times a day at a dozen or more plants around the country ever day.
Thanks for sharing
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OF course many of us would want to know everything - but we'll have to work on it a little at a time :) Might be no more exciting than understanding how a person signs their name ;) Remember this was a hum drum thing that took place hundred times a day at a dozen or more plants around the country ever day.
Thanks for sharing
I have what seems to be PAINT OK KEEFE on the inner PS fender and PAINT OK KBROWN on the outer fender. Can you confirm if these are indeed the correct names especially the KBROWN as this is quite faded and almost illegible. Any Help here would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Daniel.
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Moved this section of that thread since it was getting off the 67-68 subject and focusing on 66 ;)
Looked at what I've got and my collection of clear NJ paint inspector stamps in th eearly year is limited. I did find a Kxxxx used in early 67 but could not make out anything for sure after the K other than the number of letters that followed it were about the same sorry
Maybe some of the other members from that part of the country will have something to add
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All I have is are a couple poor quality (camera phone) pictures taken of a 15k mile Metuchen car at the Dearborn swap meet in 2010 or 2011. It is not very common to find NJ cars here in southeast MI. The pass fender does indeed look like a "K.BROWN" stamp. The cowl can't really be interpreted IMO. I also recall seeing on on the bottom of the hood, but have no pics of that.
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All I have is are a couple poor quality (camera phone) pictures taken of a 15k mile Metuchen car at the Dearborn swap meet in 2010 or 2011...............
68 (picture label) with a washer bag ???? :)
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Sure, one of those ultra rare ones that also has a VIN with a prefix of 7 instead of 8. Thanks for the catch, I had misfiled the pics associated with this car. Still a Metuchen car though. And a Mustang...
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To add to your "names" of inspectors, I located one stamp on my Oct '65 Metuchen GT in the same position as yours on the right inner fender. It was in the same format (and appears to be the same font), "Paint OK Conger", and in yellow. I have seen one other location than those you've outlined, the underside of the hood. It was another '66 Metuchen car that belonged to a friend. It was on the underhood bracing in the center and in white. It's been MANY years and it was either "Paint OK Martin" or "Martini". I haven't located any other inspection stamps on mine yet.
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lots of names and number sequences (likely to identify the same guys or others) used (for our purposes) through the yeears at NJ - just have to also figure out which ones were used (working in that spot) which years. I got many names through the years from others (closer to that plant) then Tim L went through my stamp box and threw away all the "wrong" ones.
A couple of really busy guys that were working that spot for a long time was ADAM and MARTZ in later years
65 & 68 (at least a couple of stamps) used a slightly different format where the top line was BODY PAINT but need to stay on the 65-66 line for this discussion ;)
For 66 I see the name BIDDLE used also
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Jeff ya brought back a portion of my memory. The name on the other car was Martz, not Martin or Martini!
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Moved this section of that thread since it was getting off the 67-68 subject and focusing on 66 ;)
Looked at what I've got and my collection of clear NJ paint inspector stamps in th eearly year is limited. I did find a Kxxxx used in early 67 but could not make out anything for sure after the K other than the number of letters that followed it were about the same sorry
Maybe some of the other members from that part of the country will have something to add
Good idea to move and restart the thread Jeff. Sorry again if I hijacked. ;)
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All I have is are a couple poor quality (camera phone) pictures taken of a 15k mile Metuchen car at the Dearborn swap meet in 2010 or 2011. It is not very common to find NJ cars here in southeast MI. The pass fender does indeed look like a "K.BROWN" stamp. The cowl can't really be interpreted IMO. I also recall seeing on on the bottom of the hood, but have no pics of that.
So that, thank you so very much, is the first part of my puzzle. I am so glad that you are able to match/confirm that it is KBROWN as I was starting to think I was losing my marbles or seeing things or something as my stamp is quite light and faded! You know that feeling when you know something but you just don't know exactly whats happening?? You would'nt know the vin serial number, door tag date, buck tag date and/or sheet metal date of the fender by any chance? (Long shot I know but I had to ask)
The second part of the puzzle is that the stamp on the PS inner rear fender is stamped "PAINT OK KEEFE" and from what I have read so far, I believe that both inner and outer fenders should have been stamped by the same guy. Are there any other cases where these fenders are stamped by different people at Metuchen or anywhere else for that matter?
I have a clear "PAINT OK KEEFE" photo at home and I will put it up tonight.
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lots of names and number sequences (likely to identify the same guys or others) used (for our purposes) through the yeears at NJ - just have to also figure out which ones were used (working in that spot) which years. I got many names through the years from others (closer to that plant) then Tim L went through my stamp box and threw away all the "wrong" ones.
A couple of really busy guys that were working that spot for a long time was ADAM and MARTZ in later years
65 & 68 (at least a couple of stamps) used a slightly different format where the top line was BODY PAINT but need to stay on the 65-66 line for this discussion ;)
For 66 I see the name BIDDLE used also
Thanks Jeff, I have seen posts with pics of "ADAM" and "MARTZ" and have read two references to VENTRIGLIA that seem to confirm the authenticity of my cowl stamp. The KBROWN stamp that I have seems to have appeared on a 67 in NJ as per the above post. I have not come across a cross reference to the "KEEFE" stamp as yet. Have you or anyone else ever heard of it or have pictures of it?
If you are interested, I would be more than happy to supply you with photos of vin, buck and sheet metal dates to roughly varify the date that the PAINT OK stamps were actually stamped for your files. I also have the complete build sheet if this helps at all. Car is unrestored and has 68k miles and had been sitting in a garage in NC for the last 10+ years.
Thanks for all of your help so far!
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Looks like our cars were pretty close together; 6T09A142***. BTW, I bought mine near Florence, SC right near the SC/NC border. Is yours a Charlotte DSO also?
p.s. Sorry to get a little O/T
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Here are a few pictures from 6T07C177122 in a salvage yard I go to.
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Looks like our cars were pretty close together; 6T09A142***. BTW, I bought mine near Florence, SC right near the SC/NC border. Is yours a Charlotte DSO also?
p.s. Sorry to get a little O/T
Hey JK,
Yep DSO 22. Do you have any paint ok stampings? Would also love to know if you have any decals on your cowl ("P" for example) Pics would be awesome. Keep in touch.
Dan.
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.......... Would also love to know if you have any decals on your cowl ("P" for example) Pics would be awesome. Keep in touch.
The P (and other letters) would be a Dearborn thing though I've seen allot of San Jose and NJ cars "restored " in the mid us with the stickers since owners often copy what they see the most of and in that part of the country its Dearborn cars ;)
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Hey JK,
Yep DSO 22. Do you have any paint ok stampings? Would also love to know if you have any decals on your cowl ("P" for example) Pics would be awesome. Keep in touch.
Dan.
The only paint ok stamping I've located was on the right side inner fender "Paint OK Conger". I don't have a pic, but may be able to shoot one. I haven't stripped anywhere else yet. The radiator support had some markings on the front side of it. No pics, but I wrote the info down. There was a backwards "Y" (instead of the "V" portion of the "Y" being symmetrical as it's typed here, it was written on a slant and done backwards. No other way I can think to describe it), and a "22". "Y" being the exterior color code (Silver Blue), and "22" for the interior (standard blue). IIRC there was a "GT" on it also, though don't quote me on. I'd have to dig up my notes. I was also fortunate enough to locate a build sheet for it also.
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Hey JK,
I also have my complete build sheet. It was given to me with the car and had the bottom left corner missing and I found it under the drivers seat when detailing. Is there a reference to all of the info on them? I could send you a PM of mine if you'd like.
Thanks for the info on the radiator support markings. I know I have them but did not ever look at them closely because I had no reference to what they were but guess what I am about to do as soon as I finish this post???? I thought they were just scribble actually so thank you so much for the education mate! I am trying to build up a bit of a reference network for owners with cars around my build date. I would love it if you could PM me your email address so I can add you to it for us all to help each other out. Basically what I am looking to do is be able to email specific questions to the group and try to get collective feed back. Would love you to join us.
Dan.
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The P (and other letters) would be a Dearborn thing though I've seen allot of San Jose and NJ cars "restored " in the mid us with the stickers since owners often copy what they see the most of and in that part of the country its Dearborn cars
+1!!
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The P (and other letters) would be a Dearborn thing though I've seen allot of San Jose and NJ cars "restored " in the mid us with the stickers since owners often copy what they see the most of and in that part of the country its Dearborn cars ;)
Thanks for that Jeff. I did not realise. Learning, learning...... ;D
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Here is that KEEFE stamp
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66RavenGTCoupe thanks for the original post. Finally makes it clear what was under Paint OK on my car....looks like a Ventriglia?
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Thanks to this thread I have also found my fourth stamp on the hood in exactly the same location that was mentioned earlier. It is stamped KERWIN which is the same as the right outer fender. I have since learnt that fenders, hoods and trunk lids as well as other bolt on body painted parts were all painted in the same part of the plant (See start of video clip for "MARTHA REEVES & THE VANDELLAS - Nowhere To Run" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17yfqxoSTFM)
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I am trying to build up a bit of a reference network for owners with cars around my build date.
I would love to be a part of this data base. My VIN IS 6T07T1941XX. January 20 buck date. Although, my car had a bad "restoration" in the 1980's and a lot of this info was lost. :(. I found no build sheet or paint Ok markings. I am in the process of restoring the car and will be happy to share anything I find. I am very interested in researching my car and helping others do the same. I find it to be one of the more exciting parts of the hobby.
Tom
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66RavenGTCoupe thanks for the original post. Finally makes it clear what was under Paint OK on my car....looks like a Ventriglia?
Can you provide when (we know where ;) your car was built? Helps when comparign details like this
Thanks
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Can you provide when (we know where ;) your car was built? Helps when comparign details like this
Thanks
Yeah Sure Jeff,
It's all in my signature but it was Scheduled for Dec 2 65 and bucked on Dec 7 65.
Dan.
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I would love to be a part of this data base. My VIN IS 6T07T1941XX. January 20 buck date. Although, my car had a bad "restoration" in the 1980's and a lot of this info was lost. :(. I found no build sheet or paint Ok markings. I am in the process of restoring the car and will be happy to share anything I find. I am very interested in researching my car and helping others do the same. I find it to be one of the more exciting parts of the hobby.
Tom
Just yell out and I'm sure we will do our best to help.
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Yeah Sure Jeff,
It's all in my signature but it was Scheduled for Dec 2 65 and bucked on Dec 7 65.
Dan.
Sorry Dan - responded and quoted Sgibbs post :). Even though I have his cars VIN thought it would be important to the tread over time
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Sorry Dan - responded and quoted Sgibbs post :). Even though I have his cars VIN thought it would be important to the tread over time
Ahh! So you did. Sorry Jeff. ;D
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Jeff,
My car is bucked K13 and build sheet 14K
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Jeff,
My car is bucked K13 and build sheet 14K
Any Paint Ok stamps Jeff?
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Any Paint Ok stamps Jeff?
Not sure what I can add to what you have already collected since it appears that all of your original ones are there. What I've seen so far from your car was
Hood
Cowl
Drivers side fender
Drivers side inner fender
Only one that might be missing would be the passenger side fender which normally matches the stamp on the drivers side fender
If I'm missing something just let me know
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My April 15, 66 built NJ car has Martz on both fenders and hood. The cowl has Sasway.
Then I have this one on the drivers side that is sadly not readable anymore.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z128/fst05/1966%20Fastback/20140826_153845_zpscmsdvukk.jpg) (http://s188.photobucket.com/user/fst05/media/1966%20Fastback/20140826_153845_zpscmsdvukk.jpg.html)
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My April 15, 66 built NJ car has Martz on both fenders and hood. The cowl has Sasway.
For paint inspector what you report would follow the typical pattern we see- One inspector for the unibody - one for the panels shot off the car but located in another section of the plant
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Meant to post this last year when I was in Switzerland and checking out the Swiss Mustang collection. Car is 6T09A229*** and an example of KRRWIN stamp on hood.
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...And a few more to add to the group......from a '66 Metuchen Sprint 200 car...
From VIN# 6T08T214087
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...And a few more to add to the group......from a '66 Metuchen Sprint 200 car...
Do you happen to have about when it was built or a VIN to go with it?
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Just Posted... You had beat me to the punch...before I fully completed the post... ;o)
Tony K.
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That can happen when we edit when we realize that we missed something or could have written something is a clearer way.
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Meant to post this last year when I was in Switzerland and checking out the Swiss Mustang collection. Car is 6T09A229*** and an example of Irwin stamp on hood.
I can't for the life of me recognize what this panel is...can anyone help me out?
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look again at his text.....it says hood. the pic is turned sideways. hinge in upper corner.
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look again at his text.....it says hood. the pic is turned sideways. hinge in upper corner.
It's obvious now that you pointed that out! Thanks.
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For paint inspector what you report would follow the typical pattern we see- One inspector for the unibody - one for the panels shot off the car but located in another section of the plant
So I have some input to this thread as well. I just picked up a matched pair of fenders off of an early 66' built car, (maybe around late Oct./ early Nov. 65), pretty sure from NJ (has the Martz stamp). The funny thing is the driver's side fender is stamped "MARTZ" where as the passenger side fender is stamped "KRRWIN" or "KERWIN" (it really looks like two R's)?????? Does this mean one inspector was on one side, the another inspector on the other? :o Or maybe someone left in mid stream to take lunch and the other filled in?? LoL
Could it be possible for two different stamps on each of the fenders??
Dr. side "MARTZ" stamping 10 23 D2
Pass. side "KRRWIN" stamping 10 27 3
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............... Could it be possible for two different stamps on each of the fenders??
NJ inspection stamping practices were different from both he other plants both, it appears, in style and when they were placed on the car/body. Did you get a good look at the top section of the stamp for both names as they may have been different stamps (purpose) from one another sort of similar in practice to early Dearborn stamps from 64-65 where they were for other things other than just the paint
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So I have some input to this thread as well. I just picked up a matched pair of fenders off of an early 66' built car, (maybe around late Oct./ early Nov. 65), pretty sure from NJ (has the Martz stamp). The funny thing is the driver's side fender is stamped "MARTZ" where as the passenger side fender is stamped "KRRWIN" or "KERWIN" (it really looks like two R's)?????? Does this mean one inspector was on one side, the another inspector on the other? :o Or maybe someone left in mid stream to take lunch and the other filled in?? LoL
Could it be possible for two different stamps on each of the fenders??
Dr. side "MARTZ" stamping 10 23 D2
Pass. side "KRRWIN" stamping 10 27 3
Went back to post #37 and corrected it to say KRRWIN who stamped the drivers side hood in that example so we can probably conclude he wasn’t stuck on the passenger side only
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If I am understanding correctly Jeff, I'm guessing you are referring to a "Body" OK, etc.? For the final assembly? Unfortunately i cannot make out what is above the KRRWIN stamp.
sgllbs: Thanks for the response. So you believe it does say KRRWIN as well?? I thought it might have also been a smearring of the stamp?
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sgllbs: Thanks for the response. So you believe it does say KRRWIN as well?? I thought it might have also been a smearing of the stamp?
Yes looks like KRRWIN to me. Also look at reply #2 in thread, Looks to be a KRRWIN on the same date stamped fender
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Just something that should be mentioned - not to suggest that the ones being discussed here are not legible
There were two inspectors who's stamped name started with "K" in 66. Clearly looks like that name includes two or three "E"s in it
Amy even be an possibility that its the same inspector but the first version wasn't correct or to his likely so it was remade and used later in the year. Might be a stretch - just looking at the possibilities. Example below is from 6T16xxxxx
So on stamps that are not in the greatest condition the two can be confused
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-200318171752.jpeg)
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Just something that should be mentioned - not to suggest that the ones being discussed here are not legible
There were two inspectors who's stamped name started with "K" in 66. Clearly looks like that name includes two or three "E"s in it
Amy even be an possibility that its the same inspector but the first version wasn't correct or to his likely so it was remade and used later in the year. Might be a stretch - just looking at the possibilities. Example below is from 6T16xxxxx
So on stamps that are not in the greatest condition the two can be confused
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/10/6-200318171752.jpeg)
Reply 2 is from car 1612xx and clearly ends with the letter N. Reply 37 is from car 229xxx and is clearly K_RWIN so switching to KEEFE later in the year is unlikely.
Hard to tell if the stamps are worn or clogged with paint or if they loaded it with paint and stamped 2 or 3 places before reloading.
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Reply 2 is from car 1612xx and clearly ends with the letter N. Reply 37 is from car 229xxx and is clearly K_RWIN so switching to KEEFE later in the year is unlikely.
Given those findings I agree. Just looking for possibilities but obviously that one failed
Hard to tell if the stamps are worn or clogged with paint or if they loaded it with paint and stamped 2 or 3 places before reloading.
May be an issue some times but at least in the clear stampings where the letter made full contact it appears that we have two inspectors at NJ in 65-6 that started with the letter "K"
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Found some more good ones in my files....Last number on VIN# withheld....to protect the innocent...since they are Sprint 200 registry members. The last one is very interesting... #157 Painted on the Upper Hood (Metuchen Plant Quality Control??). These are all from Original unrestored cars.
:o)
Tony K.