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C-4 Markings/Daubs
« on: February 21, 2011, 07:09:38 AM »
Hi Folks,

Can anyone provide some insight (hopefully pictures) about the hand-markings or stenciling on the case of a C-4 transmission.

Specifically, my MAR 66 Metuchen C-Code convt.  There was no evidence of paint marks, etc. on the case, tail-cone, or bellhousing.  I have cleaned all 3 pieces and they look brand new, and I want to recreate the markings.

The car's history is very complete and there's no evidence the transmission has ever been replaced.  The tag is date-appropriate.

Thanks,
Bryan
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Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2011, 10:17:02 AM »
Unfortunately not a '66 nor a V8, but here are some nice detail pics of a Jan '65 San Jose C4 from an I6:

http://www.early-mustang.com/charles/65_C4/
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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2011, 10:36:58 AM »
Bryan,

Here are a couple of pictures of my late 65 Dearborn 289 C4.  I know it's not the same as yours, but they may help you in some way. 

I don't have the before pictures on this computer, but I replicated everything I found originally.



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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2011, 12:37:30 PM »
Unfortunately not a '66 nor a V8, but here are some nice detail pics of a Jan '65 San Jose C4 from an I6:

http://www.early-mustang.com/charles/65_C4/

Thanks Charles,
Could you tell what that black rectangle says?  I can't tell in the picture.
And...  I would think these markings were applied at the transmission assembly plant and shipped fully assembled to the three car plants.  Is it reasonable to assume that all plants had similar markings on the transmission assemblies?
66 Metuch Conv
Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2011, 12:43:14 PM »
Bryan,

Here are a couple of pictures of my late 65 Dearborn 289 C4.  I know it's not the same as yours, but they may help you in some way. 

I don't have the before pictures on this computer, but I replicated everything I found originally.

Thanks
66 Metuch Conv
Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 03:59:29 PM »
Thanks Charles,
Could you tell what that black rectangle says?  I can't tell in the picture.
And...  I would think these markings were applied at the transmission assembly plant and shipped fully assembled to the three car plants.  Is it reasonable to assume that all plants had similar markings on the transmission assemblies?


The challenge I've found with markings on Automatics is that the vast majority of them have been rebuilt and either stripped of marks (during cleaning of the case) swapped for another at the rebuilder (so 68-up check for the VIN) or painted with paint at the rebuilders

I would agree that most (not all) of the marks would be similar (inspector and assembler marks would vary of course) between the different plant if you compare trans from similar periods of time
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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 06:39:40 PM »
Bryan, I posted below the pictures of the markings I found on my May 66 C4 w/200. I only found 3 marks. On the tail piece I found a shot of orange spray paint. I found an "OK" stamp in a dark blue. And I found a sequence of 4 numbers in dark red. I could only make the last two digits out and they were ??15. I noticed on Charles pictures his has a number stamped "4615" so maybe the same.
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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 07:34:35 PM »
Thanks Dave,

You guys are great!
66 Metuch Conv
Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2011, 07:53:15 PM »
The black mark is a reverse 'OK'  I actually have one of the original stamps, given to me by a retired worker from the Sharonville C4 plant.
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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2011, 07:59:14 PM »
The black mark is a reverse 'OK'  I actually have one of the original stamps, given to me by a retired worker from the Sharonville C4 plant.

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Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2011, 08:01:04 PM »
It's just a regular rubber stamp, nothing fancy.
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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2011, 08:50:57 PM »
How big is the rectangle and how big is the OK?
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Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2011, 09:08:55 PM »
Probably about 1 1/2" high.  It's the same type of stamp used on top of that 6 cyl. trans I shared pics of.
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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2011, 09:19:59 PM »
I guessed that, but I just didn't have a good reference in that picture.  It looked a lot larger that 1-1/2"

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66 Metuch Conv
Nightmist, Std Blu Int
6T08C223904    76A       K         22       15c     21      6        6
                      BODY  COLOR   TRIM    DATE   DSO   AXLE  XMSN
   C/O  785                                   (rotation #)
   16    C14   6T08C223904        (weld bay 16, bucked MAR 14)

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Re: C-4 Markings/Daubs
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2011, 09:42:03 PM »
The black OK isn't unique to 66 Dearborn. From 68 NJ,

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