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Restoring - General discussions that span across many different groups of years and models => Parts => Topic started by: Morsel on July 16, 2018, 01:46:14 PM
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Wondering who people are liking better, my windshield in my car was replaced at some point and I need a new windshield with the correct carlite etched logo. I know both PS Auto Glass and ECS do these and will do the proper date coding, but wondering if anyone has tried both and who they like better. I've heard nothing but good things from PS Auto... but also know ECS is doing good glass as well.
Last I'm wondering what you think would be the proper additional info around the Carlite logo for a clear non-tinted windshield for a February 10th 1966 San Jose car. I have all my other original glass in the car so getting date coding won't be a problem, but I know the windshield always had differences from all the other glass, also seen a few variations on the info around the logo.
Anyway, appreciate any info in advance and thanks you as always,
Jason
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Do not waste your time and hard earned $$ with PS Auto Glass. They had an ownership change about a year ago and are producing incorrect size logos. PM me if you'd like to know more details.
ECS costs a bit more, but at least you're guaranteed to get an etching done right.
For a Feb build date car, either December '65 or Jan '66 would be fine. Windshields are made of laminated safety glass, the logo is slightly different than tempered side glass.
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Do not waste your time and hard earned $$ with PS Auto Glass. They had an ownership change about a year ago and are producing incorrect size logos. PM me if you'd like to know more details.
ECS costs a bit more, but at least you're guaranteed to get an etching done right.
For a Feb build date car, either December '65 or Jan '66 would be fine. Windshields are made of laminated safety glass, the logo is slightly different than tempered side glass.
Thank you so much Charles, this is exactly what I wanted to know, I was already thinking about ECS anyway because they are just so legitimate as far as a company and do great work on other things. I also would assume they know which logo should be used cause I do know the windshield glass Carlite logo is different, I'm also looking at all my other glass that's original for a rough date range so it matches in the same rough range...
The only thing I was wondering about and was the "FM-XXX" code for the clear windshield, I noticed from examples I've seen they sometimes are different numbers after the "FM" letters. I think ChrisV was trying to get me a photo of his dads car which is built very close to mine... but he has to wit until the weekend or next week, so if anyone happens to know what this logo looks like are this time I'd love to see one and get this windshield ordered since it's going to take six weeks to make ;)
Thanks again...
Jason
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The ECS folks will know the correct logos, but always good to validate with known examples, especially originals to your car or other cars built close to yours at the same plant.
Additionally, there is some variance on the orientation of the logos, so best to also go by original examples. If no samples can be found, ECS will be able to give you their best guess based on others they have done.
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The ECS folks will know the correct logos, but always good to validate with known examples, especially originals to your car or other cars built close to yours at the same plant.
Additionally, there is some variance on the orientation of the logos, so best to also go by original examples. If no samples can be found, ECS will be able to give you their best guess based on others they have done.
When you say orientation what do you mean, if you mean whether it was etched in the inside and reading from the inside, I’m pretty darn sure mine was, but waiting for Chris to snap a shot for me, his Shelby went down the line right after my K-Code according to our vins.
Jason
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Yes, etching inside or outside and also the placement of the etching.
Wouldn't get too caught up comparing Shelby to Shelby as it's a Ford assembly plant thing. Any San Jose VIN's close to yours, could be a 6 cyl fastback, would be a good reference.
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Yes, etching inside or outside and also the placement of the etching.
Wouldn't get too caught up comparing Shelby to Shelby as it's a Ford assembly plant thing. Any San Jose VIN's close to yours, could be a 6 cyl fastback, would be a good reference.
Yep, that's true for sure, he's just the only person I know with a car close to my vin# from here and Chris offered to do it which was nice...
Thanks Charles...
Jason
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My dad's Shelby and Jason's car are about 10,000 units apart from one another. Don't have the door tag obviously but hopefully it should be close as far as the orientation of the logo
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Looking for direction on etching for my Dec 66 SJ car.
According to the post below, the etching should be (1) on the inside, and (2) facing (readable from) the inside
http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=1512.msg7666#msg7666
1. Can anyone confirm that this is accurate for my car?
2. Can anyone add to the "big picture" perspective as to location, such as bottom center, bottom driver's side, etc?
I have the windshield on order from ECS, and they are asking for this information.
Thanks, John
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Looking for direction on etching for my Dec 66 SJ car.
Will be centered at the bottom of the windshield the question or detail to confirm is (believe so) if its legible from the front (outside the car) or inside.
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I heard Auto City glass was very good
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OK high jacking thread to a certain degree
If you have no glass in the car how do you find date codes ??
I need to order the glass as have side window ( pieces I have laying around) but what the best way to find all the correct codes?
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OK high jacking thread to a certain degree
If you have no glass in the car how do you find date codes ??
I need to order the glass as have side window ( pieces I have laying around) but what the best way to find all the correct codes?
Start a thread in the appropriate section of the web site, with plant and build date, and see if you can get some reported original dates from cars built around your cars build period or at least the same plant and you can then figure out what might be a safe guess
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During my research I ran across this older post. I am a bit surprised to read that people are date stamping parts that are not era-specific parts. What do concours guys think about re-date stamping parts?
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During my research I ran across this older post. I am a bit surprised to read that people are date stamping parts that are not era-specific parts. What do concours guys think about re-date stamping parts?
If the part they are dating or modifying differs in other ways from an original they are wasting their time IMHO since the visual other clues will tell the tale.
As far as altering a none original part (to the car) to better fit the car it create a very long and deep discussion that will produce pages of responses. This remind me of the "what does numbers matching mean" what does "restoration" mean...... and so on. This is likely not the best place for that discussion. I invite you to start a new discussion if you wish in the General area of the site or even another thread in this the Parts section :)
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Has anyone used Auto City Classic for date coded glass?
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I looked around for sources for my Tbird. I did not see that one come up. I?m working on ordering from ECS.
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Here is Auto City classic link
https://www.autocityclassic.com/1969-1970-mustang-fastback/1969-ford-mustang-2-door-hardtop-fastback-complete-glass-package-jan-oct-69fbpkg/
ECS and Auto City are the only ones that I could find now that does date coding, others have stopped.
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Is anyone here collecting date codes and other info on factory glass?
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have you checked the library section here??
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There seems to still be many questions on inside or outside etch, size of logo, etc. And that the standard response seems to be check with ECS.
So is Marcus collecting original glass data points from people who still have original glass? Do I send data samples to ECS?
Just trying to send original data samples somewhere rather than having this data sit on my desk.
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There seems to still be many questions on inside or outside etch, size of logo, etc. And that the standard response seems to be check with ECS.
So is Marcus collecting original glass data points from people who still have original glass? Do I send data samples to ECS?
Just trying to send original data samples somewhere rather than having this data sit on my desk.
I'd guess most cars have their original side and rear glass. Windshields are what usually gets replaced.
For any of these, it's not too difficult to narrow down original placement based on cars close in production from the same assembly plants.
A one-size-fits-all approach would be wrong though as we see variances in placement between production years and sometimes within production years.
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Does the ECS front and side glass have that weird polarized banding look?
If you look across the show field some windshields have this odd zinc dichromate/rainbow look to them that original glass does not have.
Also, is this an issue with side glass too?
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It seems a bit worse on the reproduction glass but is also common on original glass too.
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Does the ECS front and side glass have that weird polarized banding look?
If you look across the show field some windshields have this odd zinc dichromate/rainbow look to them that original glass does not have.
Also, is this an issue with side glass too?
I haven't seen them all but all that I have gotten and many that I have seen and confirmed with owners have had the bands. Yes side glass too. If you look at them through polarized sun glass's it can stand out even more. Although some Original glass can have the bands it is way less likely from what I have seen .
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After reading many posts about windshield glass, I assumed that Carlite glass was not available. I have seen an NOS one now and then posted on ebay. During a recent FB discussion, I was informed Carlite was available. I checked myself with a local glass shop and new 64-70 Carlite windshields can be hard in like 2-7 days. Yes they are not date coded to the car production date and they will have the look of a modern windshield. Just wanted to put that out there as it may fit Concours criteria for some.
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The current replacement Carlite glass will likely have a black Carlite block logo and made in Mexico markings. If one could buff that off and etch a correct Carlite logo with proper date code, might be something to consider. If the glass is the same thickness as all the other repro glass, probably not worth the trouble.
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The Library article on 65 Glass goes to a dead link. My windshield has been replaced, I'm looking for information on what the date code and logo would have looked like and their location.
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The Library article on 65 Glass goes to a dead link. My windshield has been replaced, I'm looking for information on what the date code and logo would have looked like and their location.
You may be able to apply the information in the thread below but guess you did a search, found & read it and it didn't help
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8156.msg55498#msg55498 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8156.msg55498#msg55498)
And of course you have the article posted and written by Marcus
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8156.msg55498#msg55498 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=8156.msg55498#msg55498)