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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: Oz390 on June 18, 2015, 05:25:03 PM
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Did 66's with seat belts have retractors on the fronts in hardtops, or just loose webbing? Does standard vs deluxe make any difference in this area?
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Please clarify your question. I don't understand what you're asking.
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Richard.
from my observations (only) 66 standard belts didn't have the option of retractors, but the deluxe seatbelt option did.
And for the record 66 convertibles could not have the retractors!!!!
regards.
PHILL BERESFORD,
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.
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I have a 1966 Fastback with seat belt retractors. I look at them every day.
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I forgot to mention they are standard seat belts not deluxe.
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Question is; Did 66 seat belts come with front retractors? If so, was it dependant on if its a standard or deluxe belt (e.g. standard had no retractor, and deluxe did).
So Phil's answered that deluxe did and standard did not, and Richard's noting his standard do are at odds... can anyone clarify?
(Own a convertible and know retractors don't fit the 65-68's due to larger rocker, thus specifically asking about hardtops)
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Richard: Are yours the clip on style retractors?
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Yes Charles . They say FOMOCO with the FOMOCO oval logo. They also say patent pending.
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I am referring to the plastic housing style, not the clip-ons (which I think were after market items that could be used on convertibles due to the clearance issue Phil noted with standard retractors).
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In your initial posting I didn't see anything about the plastic housing style. I thought you asked about seat belt retractors for 1966. The clip on style retractors was sold by FORD over the counter for Mustangs, Falcons and Fairlanes from 1964-1968. As I stated, the ones on my car say FOMOCO. I don't think FORD considered them aftermarket.
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Thanks, yes, thought there might be some mix-up in the styles being discussed.
Believe the clip-on were a dealer item only, don't recall seeing them on a window sticker. The large floor mounted retractor style were an assembly plant option.
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"Clip on" retractors were shown for factory assembled convertibles only, C6ZB-76610A88, and appear to be for the deluxe belt option only (Ref Osborn 1966 Mustang Interior Assembly manual, page 37). Convertibles had their own seat belt part numbers , Fastbacks and Hardtops used the same belts.
A previous discussion determined that 65-66 deluxe belts also included the seat belt warning light.
An interesting note on this drawing, the FOMOCO label was to be on the underside of all belts.
Jim
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I don't see how the clip on retractors could be used on 1965/66 Mustang convertibles. The convertibles of this time period used a seat belt cover on the out board side of the seat that was approximately 12" long. That only leaves about 6-8 inches to retract. ????????
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I don't see how the clip on retractors could be used on 1965/66 Mustang convertibles. The convertibles of this time period used a seat belt cover on the out board side of the seat that was approximately 12" long. That only leaves about 6-8 inches to retract. ????????
The Assembly Manual specifies the clip-on is installed 10 inches from the tang on a different belt than the standard.
I strongly suggest you get a set of Mustang Assembly Manuals. Much is explained in them.
Jim
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I've just looked into my single year 1965 Ford Car Parts and Accessories Catalog, production date J
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I've just looked at my single year 1965 Ford Parts and Accessories Catalog publication date January 1965 page 612 section 611A06. It shows Retractor Kit- Front Seat Belt part# C4AZ-62611A06-A Rotunda Sales No. R51-AJ consists of 2-Retractors,2 Stops,1 Instruction Sheet No. 1206. for Ford vehicles A=Galaxie ,B=Fairlane Series, X=Falcon, and F=Mustang Series. This information isn't being provided from a aftermarket book. This is Ford's information from 1965.
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OK.... Debates on clip-ons aside...
Did all 66 deluxe belt hardtops use this style of front seatbelt?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/1ZYAAOSw3xJVU~mi/$_12.JPG)
I need to buy belts for a 66 deluxe interior car and have come down to the choice of this:
(http://www.lamustang.com/SQLCart/Images/Large/108843.jpg)
or this:
(http://images.cjponyparts.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/b/sbrpb.jpg)
Which is closer to factory? (and yes, neither is concours correct but the owners budget does not allow restoring OEM, and they would like something "close" to the original look)
If anyone can clarify it would be appreciated.
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All of the 1966 Deluxe seat belts that I've seen appear like the one in your first picture. ( Red belt) Correction the instruction sheet that I have for the clip on rectractors shows that they were used through the 1967 model year not 1968.
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Thanks ....
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Richard,
Yes, A lot of '65/'66 Mustang Convertibles used the FOMOCO, or ROTUNDA marked Clip-On retractors, because they were the ONLY retractors available in use for convertibles at the time...so it was pretty normal to see them.
Oz390,
Your first picture of the Repro Belt is closer to the Original Deluxe Belts. Question: Which vendor are you going with for the belts??
:o)
Tony K.
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Which vendor or which manufacturer? I am only aware of the (gulp) Drake "star button" repros as a budget option for the owner...
NPD does not carry them so looking at CJ Pony if no one locally can provide them at a competitive cost. Some vendors here seem to set prices by looking at US retail, adding air fright, then adding a few more dollars tot he price....
Thanks for the help.
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RICHARD.
COSTING WISE, its closer to the point to say Australian suppliers double the usa catalogue price and then add 10/15%. just incase. hehehe
Hence why more and more Australian buyers are going direct with USA suppliers and not buying from local vendors any more.
its called greed
regards.
PHILL BERESFORD.
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.
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its called greed
Someone has to pay for the "shrimp on the barby".
Jim
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Someone has to pay for the "shrimp on the barby".
Jim
WE don't have Shrimp, we eat prawns!!!!
regards.
PHILL BERESFORD.
MELBOURNE.
AUSTRALIA.
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Someone has to pay for the "shrimp on the barby".
Jim
Jim, something tells me that our american "Outback Steak House" isn't as authentic as actually going "outback"
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Jim, something tells me that our american "Outback Steak House" isn't as authentic as actually going "outback"
The Ozzies were not impressed with 'Outback', lol.
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The Ozzies were not impressed with 'Outback', lol.
something tells me that our american "Outback Steak House" isn't as authentic as actually going "outback"
A bit of irony, there is an Outback Steakhouse at the site of the San Jose Ford assembly plant in Milpitas, CA. Family members took me there for a birthday dinner a few years back. All I can say, it is a steakhouse, with a boomerang or two on the wall. It's probably too "Americanized".
Jim
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... It's probably too "Americanized".
I suppose it would be like asking a Mexican to dinner at Taco Bell. "No quiero Taco Bell"
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Hey, I saw that Summit was selling these pretty cheap. They are Scott Drake. They are the NON-Retractors.... But if you can't get originals....They are pretty close to 1966-1967 Deluxe Ford Belts. They sell a bunch of colors too. Just a "Head's Up".
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sdk-sb-bk-pbsb/overview/
:o)
Tony K.
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Hey, I saw that Summit was selling these pretty cheap. They are Scott Drake. They are the NON-Retractors.... But if you can;t get originals....They are pretty close to 1966-1967 Deluxe Ford Belts. They sell a bunch of colors too. Just a "Head's Up".
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sdk-sb-bk-pbsb/overview/
:o)
Tony K.
I saw those too. I thought about buying a set just to use in my car while I have the originals belts out to be restored. Can't beat those for the price; that's about what most vendors used to charge for those ugly universal belts.