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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1969 Mustang => Topic started by: scj4dad on October 24, 2013, 04:44:56 PM
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I have just bought my second 69 CJ car. I was reading about the reflective stripes on the trunk lid. The early Mach 1's the word Mach 1 was not in the stripe. My car was a Dearborn built car 12/3/68. Should it have the word Mach 1 in the stripe or not? Would appreciate any information. Thanks
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.....Should it have the word Mach 1 in the stripe or not?.......
Ours 69 mach1 does. 2/24/69, Metuchen built.
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Thanks for the info.
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Now on some of the factory release photos, the rear "mach1" is missing. The photo that comes to mind is the guy standing there with a racing suit on with the, what appears to be lime gold in color, 69 mach1.
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On the CJ Registry a fellow, from the upper Midwest, saying he was the original owner stated that his car had no 'MACH 1' in the rear stripe. He also stated that he was the original owner of this early Dearborn SCJ. This conversation occurred within the last year. You might try that site for more info. Brian
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Mine from San Jose 11/19/68 had Mach 1 in the trunk stripe.
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Not enough original paint cars with original stripes to get a hard date IMHO of when the change took place. Found evidence of NJ cars receiving non- lettered trunk stripes into mid December
Do have a Dearborn Mach (vin 9F02x142xxx) with the Mach I in the stripe
Other Dearborn examples without the Mach I (136xxx and later) were both non- factory since pictures suggest that the trunk lid was repaired and repainted since the MUSTANG were deleted - likely filled with bondo :(
Sorry can't be specific but this has been a long discussed topic here and on other sites over the years.
An interesting side note is that the early stripes were not reflective (sorry never wrote down the date when it changed) since 3M was having problems with the reflective tape production. Way before you car was built though ;)
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For a data point, my May 19, 1969 Metuchan build, unrestored, original paint, 69 Mach 1 did have the Mach 1 on the trunk lid.
Sold the car last summer.
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Hello, First post / new member
Just finding this thread now.
My 12/68 NJ. built, has no MACH 1 on the stripe.
Lucky enough to have found the original owner and got some pictures from him.
Great site here. Hope to meet some new people and get my Mach 1 back into excellent shape.
Steve
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One more picture. Truck view.
Are these Mach 1 delete decals still available?
Steve
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For further reference, 69390 date was 12/68 "no mach1" in stripe
app01 5/19/69, has "mach1" in stripe. Both Metuchen built.
Our 2/24/69 Metuchen built, has "mach1" in the stripe.
So, now that narrows it down to a 2 month window.
See if we can get more to respond. With Dearborn and San Jose also.
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One more picture. Truck view.
Are these Mach 1 delete decals still available?
Steve
69390, what is the color of the mach1 in the photo?
And also, I can't really tell, but is there not "mach1" in the fender stripe either?
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The color is Meadow lark Yellow.
I'm very lucky to have found the complete ownership history of this Mach 1.
I bought it from N.C. The seller said it was only a 3 owner car.
I contacted the N.C. DMV and they did a title history search. 15 Bucks!
I received-- (Copies)-The certificate of origin from Ford dated 12/27/68 assigning the VIN.
The original title (paperwork)to the selling dealership and titles from every owner from day 1 to today.
It stayed in about a 60 mile radius for over 40 years until I brought it to Ma. in 2012. And there were actually 5 owners. Talking to the 3rd owner, he bought it with a 70 Boss 302 and a 70 boss 351, so its been in good
company and not a daily driver for someone.
The odometer reads 54,000 miles--the titles all have the mileage readings and dates on the back when the car was sold and perfectly match up to the next title with no gaps.
Pretty lucky.
There are a couple factory stamps still visible (hard to read) on the body panels. Date tags/stamps, body buck tag.
It was hit in 74 and needed a full drivers side quarter and the whole car was repainted the same color according to the first and third owner. The only people I have talked too.
and looks untouched today from that date.
but its been worked on.
I would like at some point to have it checked out by an MCA judge just to see how original it is. Good and bad points. Anyone in the MA.Area?
I'll e-mail the original owner to see it the side stripes had the MACH 1 in them.
He has the original grill emblem and rear seat belts. I need to get them:)
Steve
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I know this is an older thread, but I found these pics in Donald Farr's "Mustang Fifty Years" book that I got for Christmas.
This is the photo that I was referring to in my second post on this thread.
The guy with the white racing suit on in an apparent factory release photo of the 69 Mach1.
Not only does it not have "mach 1" in the rear deck stripe, it doesn't have a stripe at all.
Thought this would be interesting to see.
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Lots of pictures of most of the preproduction cars have some non production details that are different. One of the general reasons advertising and brochure pictures are often poor research material when doing restorations.
Have seen a number of Mach I's without the lettering in the side stripes - was long ago so no VINs to track and no way to tell if the stripes were original or early replacements
Also never saw any documentation with a reference to the no name stripes though have seen documents that discussed the non-reflective early stripes (a 3M supply problem/issue) for the first production 69 Mach's
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Lots of pictures of most of the preproduction cars have some non production details that are different. One of the general reasons advertising and brochure pictures are often poor research material when doing restorations............
Had no intentions of posting this photo for someone to use as "research material"......Read my last sentence.
Happy New Year !!!
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I know this is an older thread, but some say that the early mach 1's did not have the words "mach 1" in the trunk stripe. I was under the impression that only the early mach 1's used for the press release photos were the only mach's with the mach 1 delete in stripe, then sometime in the early build of the mach 1's, that the mach 1 name was in the stripe from then on at all 3 plants.
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I know this is an older thread, but some say that the early mach 1's did not have the words "mach 1" in the trunk stripe. I was under the impression that only the early mach 1's used for the press release photos were the only mach's with the mach 1 delete in stripe, then sometime in the early build of the mach 1's, that the mach 1 name was in the stripe from then on at all 3 plants.
Guess your referring to the lack of MACH I lettering on the trunk lid stripe and not the side stripes
Ford had some problems (or maybe we should say 3M) with producing the stripes as designed. There was an issue with the reflective material that created a delay of stripes that reflected as designed and then there was the MACH I lettering your referring to. This is something that took place during the early part of the production year for Mach I's and not just the ad cars. One example is shown in the Unrestored Picture Thread - Under the Jan 69 San Jose H Code Mach I heading.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-130218200715.jpeg)
Here is another example - this time a NJ Mach I with a projected build date from Nov 1968 with no rear Mach I. Looks like there is a good possibility that that style rear stripe was installed to the end of 1968 or slightly beyond
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/13/6-311219192902.jpeg)
Don't recall ever doing a survey as to how late in the year the earlier versions of the stripes were used on the line (the non-reflective one would be tough to figure out in pictures). Not sure if the instructions were to use up the earlier versions or if it was a hard change over. Never seen any reference to them in documents except for the non-reflective issue/problem from 3M
Hope this helps
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Yes, trunk stripe. I mentioned that in my first sentence.
Thanks for the reply.
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I am restoring a 69 Mach 1 built in San Jose on Dec 30 1968 and the stripe kit I bought has the MACH 1 in the trunk stripe. If I install this would it still be concourse trailered correct? If not does anyone know if anyone makes the stripe kit without the MACH 1 in the trunk stripe?
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I am restoring a 69 Mach 1 built in San Jose on Dec 30 1968 and the stripe kit I bought has the MACH 1 in the trunk stripe. If I install this would it still be concourse trailered correct? If not does anyone know if anyone makes the stripe kit without the MACH 1 in the trunk stripe?
Depends on how you look at it. Would it be correct? Likely no based on other examples from same production period and plant
If you show the car with the Mach I in the rear stripe you may or may not be deducted for it just depends on the experience and knowledge of the judges.
So you have to ask yourself, it is your car, how correct or original you want your car and how you will answer when someone asks at a show how come your car has the Mach I cut out in the rear stripe.
Restorations are always about choices. Make a plan from the beginning and stick to it. Changing course later or veering off the path means more work, extra expense often and other issues. Many of us have seen or done this and we want to keep others from repeating the process
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Yeah, I agree Jeff, anything worth doing is worth doing concourse I just have to find the correct stripe Maybe after Marti opens in 2 weeks .....
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Yeah, I agree Jeff, anything worth doing is worth doing concourse I just have to find the correct stripe Maybe after Marti opens in 2 weeks .....
Well in this case I would thing Anything worth doing is worth doing correctly or as originally done.
When you find them please post that way it will go to help others and reward whomever makes them with increased sales then in turn reinforcing their efforts for producing correct products for those that need these product that are different
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As someone who used to make custom vinyl stripes/numbers for race cars, replicating that stripe is very easy -- if the 3M (Oracal or other vendor) color name and vinyl type are known. The back of the stripe kit may have the Vendor name and vinyl type written on it. If you can find who made it then you just need to find the color via the color charts (online).
Another option would be find a color that's very close and replicate the whole back-end stripe set. That way you'd never notice any small variation in color between the back and the sides.
You might consult with a vinyl stripe outfit
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I will have to double check, but I believe the stripes were made by Decal Magic and sold by Scott Drake Automotive Group and yes, they did use 3M paper. From what I hear Kevin has closed for a couple weeks due to covid, so when they open I'll check with Marti to see if they are making them. If not, this might be a good thing for Jack to try and have made.