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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: 65Autolite on September 11, 2016, 11:27:42 PM
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Moving to spreadsheet
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There were two style radiators used in 1965 / 1966 Mustang production.
We'll we all have to start somewhere and so you'll have at least one response to your post ;)
Let me start with - Which one of the two styles does the factory installed "Desert cooler" fall into?
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What about the 6cyl folks? I know this topic was started initially for the V-8 crowd. Is there any info on 6cyl rads?
Matt
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What about the 6cyl folks? I know this topic was started initially for the V-8 crowd. Is there any info on 6cyl rads?
Matt
Well, I'm afraid I started a thread regarding tags on rads, and my car is a 6Cyl..!
So Autolite started another thread..
Josep
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Autolite-
I can see your passion in wanting to get the details right- I think that is why we are all here, and I applaud you for trying to get an accurate baseline.
While I am not an expert at all myself, I believe I am well read and have access to most of the same internet sources most have for info, for better or worse.
For your initial post in this thread, it is very detailed to the point that I am curious of the source of your info? I cannot say I have any doubt, as I cannot add anymore beyond the in depth searches I do on the Internet.
Do you have some inside info, or perhaps know someone that has this store of information that we are all missing?
Good job trying to clarify what these tags mean and the effort is appreciated.
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thought i'd ask about the radiator shroud. when did they come factory installed. i was told at a show sunday that the shroud was an option- owner's car was an early production 65 C code fastback - no a/c. thanks hey jeff saw your video hanging out in the cougar wrecking yard describing date codes - wow! great stuff
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in 65-66 only k-codes & cars with a/c had a shroud from the factory.
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well very good! - thanks for the verification-
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Sources added above.
Good job on the radiator information.
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Sources added above.
Thanks
Looked through my collection of pictures and can only offer the following to add to your research. Most I could not read the stamps and many (T code cars) had the no strap style of radiators.
C4ZE-D2 - (12-64) Automatic only
C6ZE-D2 - (5-66) Automatic only
Thought you might be interested in the following
C4ZE-B2 (6-64) Very very early -Possible first couple of days of production - F code - Automatic, non- AC
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/6/6-130916194442-621373.jpeg)
Hope this helps in some way
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Autolite,
Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks
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Autolite,
Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks
Looks like a long shot for a Deaborn or NJ April built car just looking at the date alone. SHould be able to confirm the typical date spread from other original examples but think almost a year before is a long time
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Thanks Jeff,
That's what I was thinking also. I may just get it re-cored anyway. I have just about given up on finding the correct date coded radiator.
Thanks again
Larry
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Autolite,
Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks
Does your G1 have 12 fins per inch? I found this chart which I believe explains the difference between G1 and Y1 radiators.
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AUTOLITE,
I will check it out tomorrow and post.
Thanks
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Does your G1 have 12 fins per inch? I found this chart which I believe explains the difference between G1 and Y1 radiators.
What year is that chart from? Noticed the 390 Fairlane and had to ask
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What year is that chart from? Noticed the 390 Fairlane and had to ask
Found it here, 66 Shop Manual: https://www.scribd.com/user/3802918/api-3802918
Section 11 cooling system: https://www.scribd.com/document/7015750/Group-11-Cooling-System
I have a beat up 66 hard copy of a manual that appears to identical but it doesn't have that radiator chart but instead has every fan belt, radiator cap and thermostat application.
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Found it here, 66 Shop Manual: .............
Section 11 cooling system:..........
I have a beat up 66 hard copy of a manual that appears to identical but it doesn't have that radiator chart but instead has every fan belt, radiator cap and thermostat application.
Thanks
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Yes it does have 12 fins per inch.
Sorry for the delayed response.
Larry
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Saw this one over the weekend if anyone is keeping track
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So I'm TOTALLY confused now, what am I looking for to be correct for my 11-08-65 SAN JOSE built Hipo, manual trans. WM O on tank with soldered tag? sept , oct or nov date?
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thanks JD
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Looking at other K codes built around the same time as your I would choose the Oct dated if you had a choice ;)
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Thank you
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My friend who has a shop found a C4ZE S2 radiator in his shop. Had a 5-64 date code and no holes for transmission cooling lines
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i really appreciate the response but being I, am a ways from having the mustang back running I actually hope I can get an oct/65 g2, thank you.
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Here is my big question on 6-cylinder radiators...
Has anyone verified a factory DEP or NON W-MO (Western Modine) radiator in a 1964-1/2 - 1965 production 6-Cylinder?
Not so much verified since I'm looking at pictures and can't go take another look. But I do have a group of unrestored 65 Dearborn 6 cylinders all with the same top tank, Flat space with nothing in it and the square (sort of) corner straps
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Here is some 6 cyl., 64-1/2 info. Dad picked this up on April 18,1964 in Bristow, OK
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I will add that the car was in a front accident in 1967 or so, but I don't believe the radiator was damaged. I think that's the original...as best as I can tell.
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A few more clarifications in photos. No A/C
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Autolite,
Don't want to hijack your thread, but need groups opinion about this radiator. I uncovered it with the rest of my Hi Po parts. Has a couple of tags that I believe are radiator repair shop tags. They used them years ago to id customers radiators. Also wantwant some feed back on weather this radiator would be appropriate for an April 65 Hi Po.
Thanks
Strange I have a radiator also Stamped 4FG
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I have always thought, W-MO stood for Whittier-Modine and not Western-Modine.
Never get too old to learn something new. Great information, thanks.
Texas Swede
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Just to add another example to the mix, here are the numbers from a factory original Dearborn, January '65, 6 cyl/auto, no air, radiator.
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Is "DEP" stamped on the strap/rail? Normally its before the "C4ZE" and I don't see it visible in those photos.
I'll double check that for you.
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Is "DEP" stamped on the strap/rail? Normally its before the "C4ZE" and I don't see it visible in those photos.
Agree, something fishy with that one.
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G2 lid dated 7-64 example.
That 7-64 example appears to be one where the "G" was added.
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That 7-64 example appears to be one where the "G" was added.
Or one that was changed/relabeled from a G
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Great info. I have a 64.5 K Code, Convertible, 76A S 89 21G 13 9 5
Assembly Date of my car is July 21, 1964
DEP C4ZE 8005 –G14DD
Tag attached to front – 4DC 14 = 64, April, 3rd week.
Didn't know my radiator (HIPO) was different from all the other V8s.
G application code = 1965 / 1966 V8 289 Application Identification:
C4ZE-
G = manual transmission - Extra Cooling (C-code w/AC, A-code w/AC, K-code, GT350)
Thanks.
Is DEP an acronym for Dearborn Engine Plant or Detroit Engineering Products?
Thanks
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Is this little 'loop' something added during the recore?
I have the same thing on my 65 M1 radiator.
Great info by the way! (http://imghst.co/85/hDaJAZBj&d.gif)
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Those raised "loops" are used to clamp and tighten the straps while soldering during the rebuild, yes. But they are there from day one, as the original build used them also.
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Am new here, 76 and internet challenged but finally found this site and have a little info you may be able to use. Bought a 64 1/2 convert from the original owner (who passed away) a couple years back and just getting around to getting it running/driving. Radiator was replaced for some reason and car came with the original radiator in the replacement box. Nothing wrong with it - looks perfect but the numbers don't exactly compute with the radiator listings on this site. They are: DEPC4ZE 8005 A 1-4EA. It is listed on this site as being for a 260 M/T. This car is a one owner California unmodified original with the original window sticker - was used only as a daily driver. However it has the 289V8. A possible explanation: WIndow sticker states $2703.00 for a Mustang convertible V8 plus a few options like the 4 speed for $188.00 and at the bottom of the options it lists $65.70 for a 289 4V V8 engine. So evidently the radiator was used for both the 260 and 289. You may already know of this but if not it might be helpful in your listing of radiators. And I may be wrong about this assumption - would be the first time this year......Cheers.....Richard
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Welcome Richard
You might post more information about the car your describing - when and where it was built as these factors are often very important in discussions. Thanks for including the date when the radiator was made also ;) Helps in discussions like this
Since your going to be asked this over and over you might consider adding it to your signature (you'll be able to make that addition in your profile / button above between HELP and ADMIN)
Hope you find this site useful and helpful in your related endeavours
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OK - thanks - don't know what you mean about adding "it" to my "signature" (I still use cursive) but here is all the info on the car: 1964 1/2 Mustang convertible, color J Rangoon red, Trim 86 black, Date 26E may 26, 1964, DSO 24 Jacksonville, axle 1 3:00 :1, trans 5 - 4 speed manual, aluminum tag on intake manifold - 289 - 65 - 4E - 550C, power top, 4 speed trans, 650X13 tires, rocker panel mouldings, AM radio, padded visors, 289 V8 - that's it. Guy was a little frugal with options. Assembled in Dearborn Michigan, serial number 5FO8D 146830, sent to Hailey Ford in Winter Haven, Florida - bought there and driven back to California. Any other info wanted just let me know, as the car is untouched original and is a good reference model. Richard
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OK - thanks - don't know what you mean about adding "it" to my "signature" (I still use cursive)...
It is in an area under "PROFILE" header above the message board area (Home Help Search PROFILE My Messages Calendar ...)
You can add this information in and it will post EVERYTIME you ask or answer any questions.
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I have a question regarding this radiator. After reading the posted radiator data, my radiator appears to be too early for 1964 1/2....maybe it's not a Mustang radiator at all... I have had it for many years and my feeble brain thinks I pulled it off a Mustang many years ago. But the stamped markings on the side mounting says C3DE BE1. On the top of the radiator is stamped FoMoCo, and there is a soldered tag on the top side of the tank that reads 8MB 7. Maybe from a Falcon?
So what's the verdict on my mysterious radiator?
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I have a question regarding this radiator. After reading the posted radiator data, my radiator appears to be too early for 1964 1/2....maybe it's not a Mustang radiator at all... I have had it for many years and my feeble brain thinks I pulled it off a Mustang many years ago. But the stamped markings on the side mounting says C3DE BE1. On the top of the radiator is stamped FoMoCo, and there is a soldered tag on the top side of the tank that reads 8MB 7. Maybe from a Falcon?
So what's the verdict on my mysterious radiator?
Not a Mustang radiator. Falcon would be a good guess. The centered fill spout is the tip off . The 65/66 Mustang fill spout is off set to one side.
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I have two 65/66 air conditioning v8 cars. I am trying to find two original radiators. I have several original radiators Y and X code.
Are a/c radiators different? Are they 3 core? Can I have a Y code recorded to work with a/c?
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Can I have a Y code recorded to work with a/c?
Of course you can by the "right" radiator shop. May look odd and surely not factory if anyone looks at it that know factory radiators
As far as other details we don't know what plant of application your trying to "make" a radiator for. For some application you might want to save an original radiator and just make a second one for use in a modified car if I understand correctly what your trying to do
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I am trying to determine if the only difference between the 65/66 A/C and non-A/C radiators is the number of fins per inch. The A/C having 15 vs the non A/C having 12. I have one Dearborn and one Metuchen 289 V8 A/C cars I am trying to source original radiators for. I have two Y code Dearborn radiators. If the fins count is the only difference, then it seems like that can be handled through a good recore.
Also, can anyone recommend a radiator shop they have used for this type of recore?
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Where did the list go the different radiator codes? Says moved spreadsheet but where is that at?
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Where did the list go the different radiator codes? Says moved spreadsheet but where is that at?
Don't know. Member quit the site and may have taken it with him/her