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Offline jwc66k

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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2018, 07:49:43 PM »
Excellent. Thanks.
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2018, 08:05:14 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I am restoring a mid July 31,000 mile coupe that did not have a resonator on it either.  Just wanted some verification on it.
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2018, 12:33:57 AM »
I believe there was also a TSB published that gave the start date for the resonators.
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2018, 01:47:06 AM »
For the record, got a source?
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Jim : I have a source/ documentation, which does not agree with the Nov 64 date mentioned.

While we all know that there are things in MPC's aren't always true, usually, when dates are given, particularly to the day, there was something to back this up.

That being said, the "date" appears to be 10/15/64, according to the 1960-68 MPC, this particular page being dated "June 1968".

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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2018, 10:54:30 AM »
Thanks, knew we had seen the date somewhere.

In reference to 'Nov '64', that was more of a buffer as we know the actual changeover dates on the assembly line don't always map exactly to the MPC.
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2018, 11:56:00 AM »
And this change over date holds true for all plants?? not trying to spice things up..  ;D

My June 64', Dearborn built coupe, didn't have a resonator and the exhaust "looked" original, (although the PO did use some heavy duty wire to hold up the pass. side of the muffler since the muffler strap broke.  :o
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1964 1/2 Pagoda Green Coupe, 260 2v 3spd, Dearborn built, June 30th 64'
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2018, 12:59:34 PM »
Jim : I have a source/ documentation, which does not agree with the Nov 64 date mentioned.

While we all know that there are things in MPC's aren't always true, usually, when dates are given, particularly to the day, there was something to back this up.

That being said, the "date" appears to be 10/15/64, according to the 1960-68 MPC, this particular page being dated "June 1968".

Bob
Oops - your "date" applied to HP engines only. There is no date indicated for 260/289. There is even a "difference" between the 260 and 289 listing, 289 included resonator.
My interest in this comes from a car show pre-judging meeting I attended where the 64 1/2-66 team leader reviewed what we should be looking for. That was over 20 years ago. He wanted to make sure that all cars were judged to the same standards. The big issue was that if you found a discrepancy on the second car you judged, you had to ignore it if you did not inspect that item for judging that same item on the first car. It's called consistency. Each area was discussed, engine compartment, interior, trunk, body and undercarriage. I remember the exhaust (undercarriage) standards discussion. It included resonators, omitted on 6 cylinder engines, required on 8 cylinder engines, a general statement. You'll never guess who carried the sheet of cardboard to facilitate sliding under cars for undercarriage judging (I'm 6 ft tall, 240 pounds).
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2018, 05:57:58 PM »
Jim : You are of course correct. No dates for non-HP 260 or 289's. In looking at the "1965 Only" MPC, it only appears to confuse matters even more. And again, gives other dates, but not in regard to resonators ; only in regard to Aluminized Steel for the non- HP 260 and 289's.

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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2018, 06:22:58 PM »
64.5-65 single exhaust Mustangs did not come from the factory equipped with a resonator until mid November 64.
I believe there was also a TSB published that gave the start date for the resonators.

TSB article #353

Basically states - 289 4v single exhaust has high back pressure and noise levels. This was corrected in production on 10/15/64 by replacing the inlet pipe with a resonator and extension pipe.

Again we can't be certain that all plants changed over at exactly the same day but then again we can't be certain when 65's were actually built anyway ;)
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2018, 06:48:28 PM »
TSB #353

Basically states - 289 4v single exhaust has high back pressure and noise levels. This was corrected in production on 10/15/64 by replacing the inlet pipe with a resonator and extension pipe.

Again we can't be certain that all plants changed over at exactly the same day but then again we can't be certain when 65's were actually built anyway ;)
Indeed.  I have it on good authority that some 65's were built in 1964.5.  *G*
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Re: 1964-1/2 260 Exhaust System Resonator?
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2018, 08:13:53 PM »
TSB #353

Basically states - 289 4v single exhaust has high back pressure and noise levels. This was corrected in production on 10/15/64 by replacing the inlet pipe with a resonator and extension pipe.

Again we can't be certain that all plants changed over at exactly the same day but then again we can't be certain when 65's were actually built anyway ;)

Jeff : Thanks for coming in on this. T apparently missed mgmradio's Reply, and didn't think to check my TSB's.

Bob
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