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Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« on: March 09, 2014, 09:42:14 PM »
Today, I refurbished a 1967 non-tach dash harness for my inventory and it was quite unusual---something I haven't seen in about 100 harnesses.  The usual connector for the foot-activated wiper switch was not there; instead, four separate wires in correct colors ended up in molded 90* spade connectors, each with a different color molding.  At first, I thought someone had spliced these in, but I unwrapped the wires and these appeared to be factory correct.  All of the stickers on the harness were long gone.

Is this a very early 67 variant?  Does the switch itself have different colors indicating which molded connector goes where?
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2014, 04:47:10 PM »
I completed a concours restoration on a 67 coupe that had the separate type connectors that you mention. This coupe was a Metuchen built mustang scheduled for build on November 28, 1966. My 67 Metuchen built fastback with a build date of December 10, 1966 had the bakelite or plastic type connector for the wiper/washer switch.

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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2014, 09:59:22 PM »
Pete:
Do you remember if the receiver of the wire connectors were color coded to help in connecting them properly?
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2014, 12:16:29 PM »
On the early car harness? Oh yes the 90 degree connectors were color coded as you described.

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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 03:49:31 PM »
Thought I'd share a Feb 67 switch connector picture for reference. Especially since it still has a like new part number tag.  :)

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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2014, 06:40:38 PM »
Pete:
Do you remember if the receiver of the wire connectors were color coded to help in connecting them properly?

Randy, interesting question - I think the folks that replied missed the issue. 

Since there are four individual wires, each capable of being installed on any of four terminals, a classic non-idiot proof situation, is there any help in terms of color coding or labels on the pump (receiver) itself?  If I recall my math correctly, the number of combinations would be four factorial, or 24 total.

Pictured below is a four individual wire pump installed, followed by pictures of the same pump removed on a bench.  I found two other pumps from 67's and they are the same.

I see no indication on how to put the wires back on correctly.  I presume one would have to resort to the manual, a picture, or a hand drawn sketch.

But that does not mean that my pump is original, even though I bought from the original owner in 1980 - anything can happen.

Perhaps someone with a one year 67 MPC can look to see if there were any changes, revisions, etc.
John
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2014, 07:52:47 PM »
I searched high and low for an early 1967 Cougar harness, I found one. The 4 wire colors are the same early to late, here is a picture showing the individual boot colors.


My wiring diagram only shows the plugversion. I will have my electrical guys map it out tomorrow.
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2014, 09:31:36 PM »
Excellent.  The two black wires are the most confusing: one goes to the wiper switch itself and the other goes to the connector to the wiper motor.

What surprises me is that with all of the 67 harnesses I have in stock and have refurbished (about 120 total), this was the first harness that had the individual wires.  I am pretty sure it was a Mustang and not a Cougar harness.  If the change-over was approximately 1 December, the ratio of early to late would be much higher than I've seen.

I thought I had seen just about everything one can image in these harnesses, but every once in a while I get surprised.  This harness was for my own collection, which I use for measurement purposes when I get a harness that is all cut up and I need to splice in the right length of wiring.  I did splice in a standard connector, however, and saved the connector tips just in case.
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2014, 09:35:41 PM »
The first picture of post #6 with four individual wires is a Dec 15 built Mustang from San Jose.
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2014, 11:06:23 PM »
Interesting, 4 wires, 5 terminals and no color coding. Sure seems like bad way to do things.... :o

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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2014, 08:43:33 AM »
Interesting, 4 wires, 5 terminals and no color coding. Sure seems like bad way to do things.... :o
Probably recognized by a Ford mechanic at a stealership sometime in late 1966, and the word got back to Ford to implement a multipin connector.
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2014, 12:32:22 PM »
This is the proper placement of the individual wire boots. One of the black wires goes to the wiper switch, the other goes to the wiper motor.
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2014, 06:56:16 PM »
My Sept. 1966 San Jose convertible has the same color-coded wires as shown in Scott's photo.  However, (and to answer one of midlife's original questions) the actual foot switch assembly in my car also had color-coded rivets on the connector prongs as well - see attached photo below...

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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2014, 07:20:47 PM »

Interesting....could it be someone at Ford became aware of a problem?  ::)
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Re: Very Early 1967 Wiper Foot Switch?
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2014, 09:11:04 PM »
So that piqued my interest even more.

7R02C156 has individual wires, but a pump without color coding (but pump might not be original)

7T01C144 has connectorized wires, but a pump with color coding.  Go figure.
John
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