Author Topic: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.  (Read 8755 times)

Offline NEFaurora

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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2013, 07:58:53 AM »

Yes, I think that you're right.  Now that you mention it, I do remember now that you are correct, Motor Wheels Corp was the other major vendor to Ford.   I'd like to learn more background on that company. I'll have to Google it.

Tony K.

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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2013, 11:39:55 PM »
Tony,
That wheel is like my 13", I still think they were not put in by Ford
when the car was new as a "spare" but that they are replacements
from sometime later in the cars life. Of all the wheels I have had
over the years and have also looked at this one unmarked one I
have is the only one I have ever seen, yours makes number two.

My friend is still going to check his 66 coupe 6 cyl that has been in
the family since 67 to see if it has a welded wheel. Once I find out
I will post the findings.
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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2013, 06:21:38 PM »
Tony, here are a few pics of my 13" wheel with no date stamping
and its welded instead of rivited, its a exact copy of the date coded
Ford wheels on the car.
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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2013, 02:09:45 PM »

History of Motor Wheel Corp. :

 The History of Motor Wheel

 Standing guard over the monolithic, historic Prudden Factory, the iconic smoke stack keeps watch over the thousands of passersby that frequent Saginaw and Oakland Streets in downtown Lansing. The staple of the former motor wheel factory can be seen from afar, with the word "Prudden" proudly displayed, reminder of a historic past which began over 100 years ago.

When Ransom E. Olds Detroit factory burned, the search was on for a new location, one which would be equally prevalent and economically profitable. R.E. Olds chose Lansing mainly due to his biggest wheel supplier, William K. Prudden. The W. K. Prudden Company was the world's largest producer of both wood and steel wheels. In 1924, the Prudden Company employed as many people as the State of Michigan in 2000. By 1934, Motor Wheel controlled 1/3 of the entire nation's wheel business, more than any other single wheel manufacturer.

Recent History - (This is where it gets good,,,Tony K.)

 By 1964, Motor Wheel had become a subsidiary of Goodyear Tire and Rubber. In 1974, Hayes Wheels acquired Motor Wheel through a transaction which was valued at $1.1 billion and the following year, the factory known as Plant 1, was vacated.

Motor Wheel had also expanded to factories in other parts of the nation. Throughout their production, Motor Wheel continued to innovate, with products such as the RunFlat which became standard equipment on the world-renowned Hummer vehicle. As a major employer in Lansing for many years, Motor Wheel used Plant 1 for over 85 years. The Eyde Company attempted to refurbish the building for commercial use in 1985-88, but the factory did not accommodate this function.

Even though the factory was vacated so long ago, its architecture and history still remain. The distinctive design of the factory was the first form of American architecture to influence the Europeans. Albert Kahn, in association with industrialist Henry Ford, developed the concrete spandrel technology that allowed for expansive windows and wide open floor plans. This openness and substantial natural light served the changing requirements of the manufacturing environment well and will provide these same characteristics for future residents.

The Motor Wheel factory, along with its symbolic "Prudden" smoke stack, stands today as a historical landmark for Lansing and its automotive industry. William K. Prudden developed a company and structure that was indicative of the times and has withstood the challenges of the automotive and business industries for more than 100 years. W.K. Prudden is considered the forefather of the modern wheel industry, a generous philanthropist and innovative industrialist, who powered the growth of Lansing's economy.

- Notes: Apparently, This is the company that made the Date coded wheels Ex. "6MB" stamped on 1966 Wheel with the "M" denoting manufactured by Motor Wheel Corp. "6" would be the year=1966, and "B" would be the month, B=February. I know that they made Ford Wheel from 1964 to 1971 for sure, probably for all three Ford Mustang Plants.

Tony K.
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Offline ChrisV289

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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2013, 06:50:28 PM »
Looked at a 64.5 conv last night that a friend bought from the original owner.  It is a U code 170 cu inch and has 14 inch rims and the spare tire was riveted and had a date stamp.  Don't know if that helps or not...
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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2013, 01:20:59 AM »
Found something new on my 14" welded Kelsey Hayes made wheel.    Where you would normally see a Date code such as "5MB" or "6MB" there is a stamped "X" !!!!  It was lightly stamped so I didn't see it before, But It's clearly stamped there.

These 13" and 14" welded wheels keep showing up in cars as Spares, so I can only assume that they were specifically meant as a "Spare" when Date coded wheels were not available or chosen not to be used.  That is clearly my opinion, but I do not think that it is a far stretch seeing the current information that we have found out about them.   I can only assume - and I do me assume, that if the practice was implemented, It was not overly common, and few and far between as the common usual Spare wheels are the date coded ones, but I have seen quite a few of these "welded" Spare wheels in '65-'66 cars over the years which asks one to question this practice.

Here is the previous link to my past pictures of the wheel type in question.

http://s270.beta.photobucket.com/user/NEFaurora/library/1966sprint200/1965-1966%20Ford%204-lug%2014%20inch%20wheel%20Mystery?

Tony K.

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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2013, 04:16:00 PM »
14" riveted Kelsey Hayes made wheel.

These 13" and 14" riveted wheels keep showing up in cars as Spares,

I have seen quite a few of these "riveted" Spare wheels in '65-'66 cars over the years

Tony K.

Tony, don't you mean to say "welded" instead of "rivited" when refering to these non date stamped wheels?
The welded one I have is not date coded.

I thought we determined for the 65/66 cars that:
Motor Wheel date coded wheels have rivits.
Kelsey Hayes wheels were welded.
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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2013, 06:11:23 PM »
I have a set of 66 styled wheels riveted where if any would they be stamped with a date ? much like these   http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-1964-1967-Ford-Mustang-Style-Steel-Wheels-Set-Kit-15-x-7-w-Caps-Nuts-/261230450306?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1966|Model%3AMustang&hash=item3cd28c5682&vxp=mtr

Not trying to violate club rules just show what I have .

Sam 

 
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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2013, 09:34:03 PM »
"These 13" and 14" riveted wheels"

Yes Steve, Thanks for the catch.  I mis-spoke and mis-typed that sentence.

It should be correctly as I meant to say:

"These 13" and 14" welded wheels".

I went back and made the necessary corrections.  I must have had a long day and had "riveted" on the brain! 

I made the correction.

Tony K.

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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2014, 11:48:50 PM »
Tony,
Replying to a old post where we were talking about the Ford date
code stamped rivited wheels.
I have a friend that has a 66 I-6 coupe that his Dad bought in 68 that
they still own, he says all 5 of the wheels are stamped with a 6MA
date code and they all 5 are matching rivited wheels.
I know you had thought that the spare was welded and did not
have the date code from what you had seen so I just wanted to
pass along this info as a FYI.
Have you uncovered any new info since this post?
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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2014, 11:40:10 PM »
Many years ago I heard a story about the welded wheel spare as having been done on purpose to keep track of tire rotation. It was normal practice in the 60's and part of the 70's to rotate all of your tires including the spare; pre-radial days. By having the one odd out wheel, it was easier to keep track of which rotation pattern would be next.

I hadn't thought about this in years and never took much stock in the accuracy of this story but thought I'd share just for grins. Watch it turn out to be true!

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Re: 1965-1966 4- Lug Wheel set mystery.
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2014, 07:00:43 PM »
Not sure if it will help but here are a couple of Kelsey stamped Ford wheels. They are stamped, dated and marked differently depending on year and what plant produced them (Canada or US)




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