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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1964 1/2 - 1965 => Topic started by: htpratt on November 07, 2009, 03:00:42 PM
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Where Can I buy a radio suppression (Condenser??) that attaches to the voltage regulator that will stop the static on my original AM radio in my '65 coupe?
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They pop up on Ebay from time to time and some of the dealers sometimes have them. They are either taken from the kit or included as part of a NOS one.
Other option would be an original (have to be real careful of the wire as they are brittle after all these years)
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at one time, and i do not remember who, but there was a fellow over on the hi-po forum who had a few of these for sale. you may try and see what turns up.
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Where Can I buy a radio suppression (Condenser??) that attaches to the voltage regulator that will stop the static on my original AM radio in my '65 coupe?
You may already know this but in case you don't or for someone else who my stumble onto this thread- the 65 radio suppressor condenser was mounted onto the alternator in 65 and so had a specific mounting ear made onto the condenser. The 66 on up style mounted to a grounded screw by the regulator and had a different style mounting ear. The 65 style suppressor does not come up for sale often like the 66 -up style does. The 65 style is harder to find because there were less made and even less still around and as Jeff said when you find one be extremely careful of the wire . I have had more then a few break off in my hand after removing one from a alternator. Bob
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There are some for the regulator currently for sale on Ebay from the Mustang Corral Inc. Store.
Dave
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370234122546 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370234122546)
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There are some for the regulator currently for sale on Ebay from the Mustang Corral Inc. Store.
Dave
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370234122546 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370234122546)
The one in the auction is the later 66 up style(don't know Ford stopped using that style) and is nomally silver like the 65 style in the picture I posted.Bob
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Your right Bob, Iv'e got 66 on the brain, my July 65 has the original silver one on the alternator. My May 66 has the one on the voltage regulator.
Dave
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You may already know this but in case you don't or for someone else who my stumble onto this thread- the 65 radio suppressor condenser was mounted onto the alternator in 65 and so had a specific mounting ear made onto the condenser. The 66 on up style mounted to a grounded screw by the regulator and had a different style mounting ear. Bob
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Bob,
You are right about the one mounted on a '65 Alternator, but I'm fairly certain that a '65 also had the one by the voltage regulator. The assembly manual shows both for a '65, and the original harnesses certainly had the pigtail for one. Here is a picture of the voltage regulator plug from an original headlight harness from a July '65 car (earlier cars have this wire also.) Note that this wire is missing the red tag that should be there also. I'm just wondering why two would have been used.
-Brant
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/Se4sG--bLOI/AAAAAAAAF1E/QbXu6tbjghY/s400/DSCN8440.JPG)
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Will you guys got me wondering so I went out and looked at my July 65 coupe. I have one in both places. Both are original FOMOCO pcs. Could this be correct? My 65 was my first restoration so I didn't have other parts laying around. ???
Dave
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As far as I know, all early Mustangs with an alternator had a pigtail in the harness for an RFI condenser at the pigtail for the voltage regulator. This was to "supress" the static from the regulator points opening and shutting. RFI was a shortcut buzz word af that time for Radio Frequency Interference. In 1965 there was the very visible condenser mounted externally on the alternator and was there to supress RFI caused by the alternator. Remember, alternators were at that time about equal to multiplexing of electrical circuits in todays world. The condenser on the alternator is identified by the large mounting tab and on the end opposite of the pigtail it has the C5TA-18827-A Ford engineering number stamped on it. Look at an original one on the closed end and you will see this engineering number plainly embossed. In 1966 the Mustangs still had the RFI condenser located at the voltage regulator location, still had the red tag to identify what the pigtail was, and as far as I know used the same condenser. However, in 66 the condenser for the alternator RFI was moved INSIDE of the alternator. You must take the alteernator apart to find it, and then it will be difficult to recognize as a a condenser, but it is there. So nothing really changed much, but the obvious condenser on the 65 Mustangs was relocated within the alternator. And you are all correct when you say the 65 external condensers are difficult to find. As an aside, it is possible to replate them with no damage to the electrical function. I have had several done in zinc plating along with other odds and ends and they have continued to work for years and looked as new. I am pretty sure they have no function other than supressing the alternator "whine" in the AM radio when listening to a distant station and that the charging system will be happy with or without the condenser. T sum up this rather lengthy explination, the 65 production with alternators AND WITH A RADIO had two external and visible condensors, one at the voltage regulator and one mounted on the alternator. The 66 production cars WITH A RADIO had only one visible condenser, and it was mounted adjacent to the voltage regulator. Both the 65 and 66 Mustangs had the red tag looped around the wire harness pigtail to identify it as being used for a radio interference supression condenser. Cars without a radio DID NOT use this wire harness pigtail for anything - it just hung there.
Brant, I sent you a couple of images of the details on the 65 RFI condenser mounted to the alternator with the FORD engineering numbers shown in detail. Post these if you think others would be interested in how they were mounted and how they were identified by Ford in the day.
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That was certainly a good explanation why there would be two condensers in 1965. Bob
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If someone would post pictures it would be great. Would definitely like to see the red tag on the wiring harness you guys are talking about. Thanks for all this good information
Dave
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John,
As always, thank you so much for the explanation! Here are John's pictures:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwVCSjcvGRI/AAAAAAAAIJY/zWKfe60KpZ4/s400/Alternator11.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwVCTeFQiNI/AAAAAAAAIJc/4tARHi2OYKw/s400/Alternator12.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwVCUP0dV1I/AAAAAAAAIJg/ngqmrZwIWz4/s400/Alternator13.jpg)
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Dave,
I'll get some pictures later on today of an original red tag along with the reproduction that is available, so you can see the difference also.
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Here is a picture (almost out of the picture) of an original paper tag at the regulator
65 Dearborn car Sept 64 car
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/firetrainer/65%20Mustangs/DSC00766.jpg)
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Here is a picture of an original tag on a car:
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwWyNQp69xI/AAAAAAAAIJs/3-eqP0RY4s8/s400/DSC_0100.JPG)
Here is one from an NOS 65 Headlamp Harness (service part, of course, but looks like all production/assembly line tags I've seen):
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwWyN-zaPYI/AAAAAAAAIJw/HBfTmnGANGA/s400/DSCN9014.JPG)
And here is the reproduction. Paper is not exactly like the original. This is a link from our web site. I checked stock, and they still look like this. Only one source that I am aware of.
(http://www.virginiaclassicmustang.com/Assets/ProductImages/df320.jpg)
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Any chance we might be able to get a more faithful reproduction of that red tag made? ECS might be able to do it if they get a good sample to use. The original paper has a touch of gloss to it whereas the repro is just plain thick paper.
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I'll have to ask if he would be interested. It is also interesting to note that the original is kind of a red "coated" paper. In other words, if you tore it, it is not red "inside."
You can see this by looking at the pictures of the original and the service part.
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Jeff & Brant, thanks for the pics. I'm going to try to make my own. I see what you mean about the type paper though. I believe I actually have some red paper tags that are made of a similar type material. Is the printing on both sides of the tag or just one side?
Dave
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Believe only printed one side.
You might also try and spray seal the paper after its printed so that you will reduce the possibility of the ink running from moisture later
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They are printed on both sides.
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Where Can I buy a radio suppression (Condenser??) that attaches to the voltage regulator that will stop the static on my original AM radio in my '65 coupe?
I will throw this in for comment: the condenser(s) I've tried have had little effect on radio static. They can't all have been bad. When the rpm increases, so does the static.
Z. Ray
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Where Can I buy a radio suppression (Condenser??) that attaches to the voltage regulator that will stop the static on my original AM radio in my '65 coupe?
I will throw this in for comment: the condenser(s) I've tried have had little effect on radio static. They can't all have been bad. When the rpm increases, so does the static.
Z. Ray
The short answer is most of the Shelby's did get bad reception. This is more of a problem with Shelby's then with regular mustangs. Regular Mustangs had the benefit of a all steel hood which added shielding against the electrical interference . A few 66 GT350's had all steel hoods .The rest of Shelby production had fiberglass hoods. In response to customer complaints many 65,66,and 67 Shelby antenna's were move by "dealers" to the rear quarter. A few 68 Shelby's had the antenna in the front but most were relocated to the back from the factory. 1969/70 all had the antenna in the back. I believe this styling change was directly influenced by the radio static issue. Another fix was to add shielding to the hood. This usually took the form of insect screen wire material bonded to the bottom side of the hood and grounded by the factory ground clip on the cowl. Bob
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Ok here's my homemade tag for my 65! (used extra wire I had lying around for effects)
Dave
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/DavesTag.jpg)
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Ok here's my homemade tag for my 65! (used extra wire I had lying around for effects)
Dave
(http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv8/dkcain1/DavesTag.jpg)
Dave,
That looks good!
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Looks nice - love the idea of people figuring out how to do things themselves. Plenty of owners doing "catalog cars" ;D
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Looks nice - love the idea of people figuring out how to do things themselves. Plenty of owners doing "catalog cars" ;D
+100!! :)
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+1 .very very good . Mind making me one ::)? or sharing what worked for you? PM me if you like. Bob
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Guys, Sorry for resurecting this OLD OLD thread but I'm trying ti find one of the units for the alternator for my '65. I have inquired at Dead Nuts On with Jack-he says his plater damaged the last 2 that he sent in, I've inquired at Glazier/Nolan, Bob Perkins, Charles-(Who BTW was gracious enough to offer to loan me one for the GN) ANYBODY GOT ONE THEY CAN SELL?? THANKS VERY MUCH!!-Rick
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Mine has a different orientation of the part number and FoMoCo than Brant's. C5TA-18827-A2 number with a 452 at the bottom.
Original alternator but not positive it's original to my car as it doesn't have the Hipo pulley.
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Mine has a different orientation of the part number and FoMoCo than Brant's. C5TA-18827-A2 number with a 452 at the bottom.
Original alternator but not positive it's original to my car as it doesn't have the Hipo pulley.
That's a different suppressor...mounts on the alternator on '65 models. The ones that are being discussed in the other thread (http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=6814.0) (and we will have available soon) are the radio suppressors that mount at the voltage regulator.
And BTW, the project for the alternator ones has been started. :)
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John,
As always, thank you so much for the explanation! Here are John's pictures:
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwVCSjcvGRI/AAAAAAAAIJY/zWKfe60KpZ4/s400/Alternator11.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwVCTeFQiNI/AAAAAAAAIJc/4tARHi2OYKw/s400/Alternator12.jpg)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FhFCoO_tIME/SwVCUP0dV1I/AAAAAAAAIJg/ngqmrZwIWz4/s400/Alternator13.jpg)
Brant - I was talking about the alternator suppessors you posted above, which are in this thread. You'll see they have the same numbers as mine. Seems we've got a mix of volt reg & alternator suppressors discusions going on here.
Good to hear you're starting a run of these too. :)
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Brant - I was talking about the alternator suppessors you posted above, which are in this thread. You'll see they have the same numbers as mine. Seems we've got a mix of volt reg & alternator suppressors discusions going on here.
Good to hear you're starting a run of these too. :)
I only mention this because everything eles looks so nice and details are obviously a concern but FYI the OEM alterntors used different insulator coating on the stator. It was not the orangish Glyptal paint like the picture but a honey colored varnish type material. This is meant in a helpful way.
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I only mention this because everything eles looks so nice and details are obviously a concern but FYI the OEM alterntors used different insulator coating on the stator. It was not the orangish Glyptal paint like the picture but a honey colored varnish type material. This is meant in a helpful way.
Yes. That should be noted in case someone wanted to copy that. These are John Murphy's pictures from a long time ago.