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I'm hunting for four nice OEM unrestored bolts and U nuts attaching radiator to rad support. These are for 7/1/66 projected built SJ HP Conv manual trans car.
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I'm hunting for four nice OEM unrestored bolts and U nuts attaching radiator to rad support. These are for 7/1/66 projected built SJ HP Conv manual trans car.
The chances of finding these hardware items are very low. The four nuts and bolts around the radiator are always rusty, primarily because they get the full force of the elements (read rain and snow) while driving, and also get wet from radiator overflows and other engine situations.
I'll be honest, do you know by Ford hardware part number what you want? Those part numbers are documented in the library under topic - "Mustang Hardware Spreadsheet - 64-66", the fire by "application" MHW64-66AP06.XLSX (the "06" is the revision").
Jim
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I have not looked into the part number of hardware. What I'm looking for are for a t-bred project and these could be plant specific as well. I have not yet researched photos or actual cars at different plants to know whether or not the bolt heads or bolt types were similar at all plants or not. My car is is fairly complete, but missing a few bolts. I'm hoping to avoid buying a 4th donor car just for a few bolts.
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I found the drawing in the 1967 body assembly manual, but not the 1966 version. For 1967 a 380020-S2 is called out. That particular "J" nut is not listed in the Ford fastener catalogs that I have access to (1959/60/61/65/69/75/2004). I don't have any AMK books. A general Google search did not yield any results. Jim of course has this same information in the 1967 version of the hardware spreadsheet.
Then I checked the 1966 hardware spreadsheet. It is listed here as well, but the notes say "NO 66 DWG" - which is exactly what I found.
After that I went back to the 1965 body assembly manual and found the info - the bottom line is that four 380020-S2 is what you are looking for. As far as the exact manufacturer for the assembly plant and time span, that of course can't be provided by any documentation that I'm aware of.
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I found the drawing in the 1967 body assembly manual, but not the 1966 version. For 1967 a 380020-S2 is called out. That particular "J" nut is not listed in the Ford fastener catalogs that I have access to (1959/60/61/65/69/75/2004). I don't have any AMK books. A general Google search did not yield any results. Jim of course has this same information in the 1967 version of the hardware spreadsheet.
Then I checked the 1966 hardware spreadsheet. It is listed here as well, but the notes say "NO 66 DWG" - which is exactly what I found.
After that I went back to the 1965 body assembly manual and found the info - the bottom line is that four 380020-S2 is what you are looking for. As far as the exact manufacturer for the assembly plant and time span, that of course can't be provided by any documentation that I'm aware of.
I have the "extra" advantage of having several (I'm down to two) 1966 Mustangs, all with 289 V8 engines, to use as a reference, plus I carry a clip board at car shows to check out other Mustangs, so when I enter any hardware item into the master file (as or today, it has 10,533 lines of hardware data) - I am absolutely sure of its accuracy (mostly).
I have not looked into the part number of hardware. What I'm looking for are for a t-bred project and these could be plant specific as well.
And there lies the problem. You have no idea what you are looking for. If you want accurate "thoroughbred" level hardware, you need to know the Ford hardware part number as used on the assembly line. Those part numbers are documented in the Jim Osborn Productions, Mustang Assembly Manuals. To obtain "pristine" replacement items, be prepared to buy a lot of "parts cars". The other option is to buy new. Your choice.
Jim
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Thanks John and Jim. I'll invest in the Mustang Assembly manual. I am ok with paying a little more for new hardware. Are there any sources you know of? Or are you suggesting to know what to hunt for and buy when I find it?
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Thanks John and Jim. I'll invest in the Mustang Assembly manual. I am ok with paying a little more for new hardware. Are there any sources you know of? Or are you suggesting to know what to hunt for and buy when I find it?
Jim means "new" as in from AMK,NPD etc. You have unrealistic expectations if you think you will find NOS assemblyline looking hardware that you need in Ford boxes etc.
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i agree with bob, a worthy search but a futile goal.
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I can see my post may be going South of what I had in mind. Not seeking new nos hardware and my use of "unrestored" here could have caused the group to head the discussion that direction. Just looking for high grade "farm fresh" OEM pieces that are good candidates to restore and avoid parts that may have seen unprofessional attempts to clean them up, repainted over rust, or already have pits or severe rust. My car essentially has most hardware (that I'm certain are candidates to restore) but am missing a few rather common pieces. Hope that helps clarify what I'm searching for.
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I have not looked into the part number of hardware. What I'm looking for are for a t-bred project and these could be plant specific as well.
Do you know what the bolt head markings should be? My 66 Metuchen car is mostly RBW but I don't think those were used in SJ. I have some nice extra OEM u nuts but have no idea if they are correct for your application. If you post some pictures of what they should be, that will help
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Would suggest looking for examples from other cars built close in production from the same assembly plant. There will be some out there, but finding good ones off a car might be challenging.
I would only consider new/AMK bolts as a last resort for a T-bred restoration.
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The positive thing is that your doing a San Jose car so plenty of nice ones out there. Challenge is finding someone that cares enough about the "little things" to remove and or keep them and in turn finding that person. Believe you can likely expand the search to include Fairlanes and Falcons from the same plant and time period
There is this thread I started a number of years back as a reference
https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=15988.msg100203#msg100203 (https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/index.php?topic=15988.msg100203#msg100203)
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Thanks for the link Jeff and all the others, Jim, Charles for your replies as well! Unfortunately, I only have one SJ example (hi-po I'm searching hardware for) that is missing what I need. I'll need to review Jeff's prior post and look at other SJ cars with similar projected builds as Charles suggests to perhaps come up with some photos of exact bolts and heads I need.
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I did look through my pictures and could not find any from your cars time period that showed the head markings. Just letting you know that I did look.
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This is what I did when they became available. This is a photo from a 66 Shelby restoration by Jeremy Hill, at Maple Hills Restoration. It's from the Virginia Classic Mustang blog on their website. Like Jim mentioned, mine were so rusted up, they weren't recognizable, especially the head markings on any of the bolts. I was able to save the original 2 row brackets.
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This is what I did when they became available. This is a photo from a 66 Shelby restoration by Jeremy Hill, at Maple Hills Restoration. It's from the Virginia Classic Mustang blog on their website. Like Jim mentioned, mine were so rusted up, they weren't recognizable, especially the head markings on any of the bolts. I was able to save the original 2 row brackets.
Do you remember what the car number was. Unfortunate no 66 Shelbys were built the same month as the poster is looking for. One of the reasons I didn't look through those files
The pictures, as I should have mentioned it earlier, that the J clips are difference from the ones used for cars without shrouds that were attached to the radiator support
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Thanks For looking Jeff and thanks for the photo you do have! My car does have the original bolts holding the brackets and are the same style as shown in your photo. I will need the larger bolts holding the rad to the support and the U nuts. I'll look for a good unrestored late 66 SJ example to see if I can identify markings on the bolt heads to know what to look for.
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Jeff,
The Shelby on VCM's blog is:
Oct 3, 2014
"Just the Details...1966 Shelby Mustang GT350 Restoration 6S933"